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gwoods71 posted 08-03-2015 01:38 PM ET (US)
Well everyone, I have been a long time lurker and reader, but never had any real reason to post.
My parents bought an 1986 Montauk in 1987, when I was two-years-old, and I have grown up with that boat. Also owned a 13, a Harpoon, and a project Nauset.
Last week my wife and I decided, after much shopping around, to buy a 1984 Outrage 22 with twin Johnson 90-HP engines and a Super Console. It needs bottom paint, but after 4 hours scrubbing last Friday night, we had it out Saturday on East Grand Traverse Bay, and plan on taking it up to my parents cottage in Les Cheanaux for boat show weekend.
Sorry, no water shots: https://goo.gl/photos/aQqpMdPDf42cJccP9

Jeff posted 08-03-2015 01:49 PM ET (US)
I looked at that boat 14 Months ago when it was in New Buffalo Michigan.
Congrats on the purchase!
DeeVee posted 08-03-2015 10:06 PM ET (US)
That looks like a totally original 22, in nice shape to boot. Congratulations. Have fun with it.
Doug Vazquez
1989 Outrage 22
gwoods71 posted 08-04-2015 02:06 PM ET (US)
Indeed it is very original. The leaning post is from a 1988-89. I can see where the original holes were filled in from captains chairs. There are no soft spots. There are a few nicks and scratches. There is a very slight crack in the green line on the transom, but it is solid, and this boat will be kept on a trailer or lift most of the time. The boat needs the thru hulls replaced, new bottom paint, and the railings re-anchored. But it has a brand new Sea Star hydraulic steering and $1000 of motor work from the dealer and broker. The twins run great, albeit thirsty. I am not sure of the fuel tank size; my guess is about 40 gallons from the gauge, or, the gauge is completely wrong.
The story I got was the previous owner bought it to have with his girl friend, and she dumped him. The boat was originally listed for $13,000, then $11,900, then $10,000. I asked for the bottom line. For reference, I paid $8,500, about $500 more than I wanted, but it was a (relatively) local freshwater boat. We will run it as-is the rest of the season, then brighten her up over the winter.
I know my wife wants the rear seat added, maybe a backrest on the leaning post. Both of which will be removable for fishing. Eventually I will get some canvas for it, too.
MattInSanDiego posted 08-04-2015 09:12 PM ET (US)
It sounds like you got a great deal. Congrats on the purchase!
Matt
1980 Outrage 22
jimh posted 08-05-2015 09:51 AM ET (US)
The trailer looks like it is worth $4,000 itself. The relatively low prices being asked for these older Boston Whaler classic hulls in the past few years is a surprise to me. On this boat, I think the twin 90-HP V4 two-cycle engines may have been holding back the sale. Those twins are going to consume a lot of gasoline. Fortunately, at today's price of gasoline it won't be too difficult to stick with the engines rather than spend $25,000 in a re-power.
padrefigure posted 08-05-2015 11:35 AM ET (US)
It looks like you have the 77 gallon tank. If the boat has been sitting, check the rubber fuel hoses. You have the fill line, vent, and supply lines for the motors. I cannot tell if you have an inline fuel water separator, but if you do not, add one. In case you have not figured it out, you got a hell of a deal.
jimh posted 08-05-2015 11:47 AM ET (US)
PADRE' s mention of concern about the fuel hoses is very good advice. The composition of rubber fuel hoses changed around 1987 to rubber that was tolerant of alcohol in the gasoline. If the boat still has c.1984 rubber fuel hoses, inspect them carefully and look for markings on the outer jacket that indicate the hose is tolerant of alcohol. The rubber fuel hose should also have a clear date of manufacture on the jacket. Replacement of fuel lines that are more than 31-years old would be prudent.
In particular, the main fuel filler hose from the fuel filler inlet on the gunwale to the fuel tank should be carefully inspected, and the horizontal run from the gunwale-to-deck 90-degree turn over to the fuel tank fill inlet should be assessed for permeation of the rubber jacket with gasoline. It is often seen that this portion of the fuel filler hose has softened due to gasoline fuel being left sitting in the horizontal run. Replacement of that portion is a rather difficult task, but if that hose is leaking gasoline, you will want to replace it. You can typically detect this with your own nose. Remove the circular deck access pry-out plate in the forward part of the deck that covers the fuel inlet area. Take a good inhale of the air from there shortly after fueling the boat. If you smell gasoline, the source of that odor may be a permeated horizontal fuel filler hose.
half shell posted 08-08-2015 09:57 AM ET (US)
Nice buy price for a great boat.How does it ride with the twin engines?
I have a single 200HPDI Yamaha on my 22outrage and love it.Even if some day you have to Repower you are still a 100k less than a new 22
Good luck!!
littleblue posted 08-09-2015 09:18 PM ET (US)
Congratulations. I've had mine since 2010 and am still very happy with it!
dfmcintyre posted 08-10-2015 06:06 AM ET (US)
Grant -
Congrats on the purchase. Is the tank plastic or metal?
Regards from a onetime 22 Outrage owner.
Don
gwoods71 posted 08-10-2015 07:09 AM ET (US)
Thanks you everyone for the kind words and advice.
It does have the aluminum tank, and it looks like the fill & vent hoses are original, but appear to be in great shape. (they will be replaced this winter regardless). No gasoline smell anywhere on the boat. There is a filter, but no water separator. There appears to be a lot of moisture in the fuel tank cavity.
The hull sits right at the boot stripe with a full tank of gas at rest, which leads me to believe that the hull (sans fuel tank foam) is fairly dry. I do not believe this boat has spent much time in the water in the past decade or so.
After getting to spend some time on it this weekend around Les Cheneaux I am loving it even more. The ride is fabulous, although the weight of the twins means it has to be trimmed all the way down to not be crazy high in the bow. She cruises at 20 and tops out at 35 (per GPS), I love the super console storage and the room, dramatically different boat than the 86 Montauk.
We did get it offshore a bit Sunday, and ran out to Martins Reef light, there were about 4' seas and 2' chop mixed in, seas kicked up to about 5' about a mile from the light, and I was greatly impressed with the ride, I have driven a 22' revenge, but that was only on Torch Lake.
We pulled the boat from TC to Les Cheaneaux with my wife's Grand Cherokee (4.7 V8) I was also impressed with how well it did.
-Grant
gwoods71 posted 08-10-2015 07:18 AM ET (US)
P.S. I added a few pictures from the weekend to the Outrage album
https://goo.gl/photos/aQqpMdPDf42cJccP9
DeeVee posted 08-12-2015 01:32 PM ET (US)
Grant,
I have wondered what the deck layout is like with the Super Console. Would it be possible for you to take a few pictures of the boat interior? I would especially like to see the relationship of between the front of the console and the small hatch step.
Thank you,
Doug Vazquez
DeeVee posted 08-12-2015 01:32 PM ET (US)
Grant,
I have wondered what the deck layout is like with the Super Console. Would it be possible for you to take a few pictures of the boat interior? I would especially like to see the relationship of between the front of the console and the small hatch step.
Thank you,
Doug Vazquez
Marko888 posted 08-12-2015 11:05 PM ET (US)
Doug,
I inspected a 1988 Outrage 22 WD with a Super Console on the weekend.
The front edge of the Super Console appears to be in the same position as the std. console would be, that is, the width of a cooler back of the step up onto the central hatch lid.
Mark
gwoods71 posted 08-13-2015 06:55 AM ET (US)
Doug,
I added one pic I had from the first time I looked at the boat. It does the the cooler cleat is right up against the bow step. I can take some more this weekend when she is in the water. (Yay gas jumped up past $3.00 a gallon...)
Powergroove803 posted 08-13-2015 03:44 PM ET (US)
Do Super consoles have doors on both sides? Just noticed them on this one
DeeVee posted 08-13-2015 10:56 PM ET (US)
Grant,
The next time you are on the boat, can you measure the base dimensions of the console and post here? I am sure I have asked for these dimensions before but can not locate them anywhere.
Thanks again,
Doug Vazquez.
stayinstrewn posted 08-14-2015 01:07 AM ET (US)
Yes, they do have a door on both sides.

On my boat I have the fire extinguisher on starboard and two drawers that flip out on the port side.
gwoods71 posted 08-22-2015 06:49 AM ET (US)
Doug--my apologies for the delay. The Super Console measures 44-inch wide, 39-inch wide at the base. It is located 18-inch back from the front deck step, and centered between the gunwales. I cannot confirm, but I have heard there may have been a slightly larger version on the 25-foot boats.--Grant
andygere posted 08-23-2015 09:43 AM ET (US)
Great looking boat at a very good price. It probably rolled off the deal floor for $35k or more when new. The savings on initial purchase price for you will buy a lot of fuel. Run those 90s and enjoy.
gwoods71 posted 08-24-2015 06:29 AM ET (US)
When I bought the boat i was sure to ask if it had any canvas with it. The dealer-broker told me the owner had "a few scraps of canvas and a couple bows for a bimini"
I was pretty adamant that we get them, even for patterns I figured. it wasn't available when we picked the boat up, but I took Friday off, and drove back down to Indiana to pick up the "scraps"
You can see them for yourself here:
https://goo.gl/photos/6Dxy5bb5TKrBnBVHA
I would say it was worth the drive for almost a complete Mills enclosure.
There was also another blue piece that clearly didn't belong to this boat, maybe I will resew into a console cover or something
Buckda posted 08-24-2015 08:19 AM ET (US)
Great boat! how often are you up in the Islands? We have a place on LaSalle and I work on Prentiss Bay and look out at the St Martin Reef Light every day. Wonderful place for a Whaler!
george nagy posted 08-24-2015 11:47 AM ET (US)
Great deal and nice boat. Can you verify which is the length and width of the console, length being bow stern? Also how tall is the console? I'm looking for a console to hide a porta potty head in for the kids.
gwoods71 posted 09-03-2015 07:30 AM ET (US)
Super console is 44" wide, 39" long, 33" tall at the lower part and about 39" tall near the windshield. With the drawer, shelf, gauges, cables, and not to mention the small door size, i think you would be hard pressed to fit a porta potti in there.
Buck- We try and get up once a month or so, my parents are retired and get to spend a lot more time up there, our place is on Hill Island. We are in a row of about 12 whaler owners on the SW side of the island

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Author	Topic: New OUTRAGE 22 Owner
gwoods71	posted 08-03-2015 01:38 PM ET (US) Well everyone, I have been a long time lurker and reader, but never had any real reason to post. My parents bought an 1986 Montauk in 1987, when I was two-years-old, and I have grown up with that boat. Also owned a 13, a Harpoon, and a project Nauset. Last week my wife and I decided, after much shopping around, to buy a 1984 Outrage 22 with twin Johnson 90-HP engines and a Super Console. It needs bottom paint, but after 4 hours scrubbing last Friday night, we had it out Saturday on East Grand Traverse Bay, and plan on taking it up to my parents cottage in Les Cheanaux for boat show weekend. Sorry, no water shots: https://goo.gl/photos/aQqpMdPDf42cJccP9
Jeff	posted 08-03-2015 01:49 PM ET (US) I looked at that boat 14 Months ago when it was in New Buffalo Michigan. Congrats on the purchase!
DeeVee	posted 08-03-2015 10:06 PM ET (US) That looks like a totally original 22, in nice shape to boot. Congratulations. Have fun with it. Doug Vazquez 1989 Outrage 22
gwoods71	posted 08-04-2015 02:06 PM ET (US) Indeed it is very original. The leaning post is from a 1988-89. I can see where the original holes were filled in from captains chairs. There are no soft spots. There are a few nicks and scratches. There is a very slight crack in the green line on the transom, but it is solid, and this boat will be kept on a trailer or lift most of the time. The boat needs the thru hulls replaced, new bottom paint, and the railings re-anchored. But it has a brand new Sea Star hydraulic steering and $1000 of motor work from the dealer and broker. The twins run great, albeit thirsty. I am not sure of the fuel tank size; my guess is about 40 gallons from the gauge, or, the gauge is completely wrong. The story I got was the previous owner bought it to have with his girl friend, and she dumped him. The boat was originally listed for $13,000, then $11,900, then $10,000. I asked for the bottom line. For reference, I paid $8,500, about $500 more than I wanted, but it was a (relatively) local freshwater boat. We will run it as-is the rest of the season, then brighten her up over the winter. I know my wife wants the rear seat added, maybe a backrest on the leaning post. Both of which will be removable for fishing. Eventually I will get some canvas for it, too.
MattInSanDiego	posted 08-04-2015 09:12 PM ET (US) It sounds like you got a great deal. Congrats on the purchase! Matt 1980 Outrage 22
jimh	posted 08-05-2015 09:51 AM ET (US) The trailer looks like it is worth $4,000 itself. The relatively low prices being asked for these older Boston Whaler classic hulls in the past few years is a surprise to me. On this boat, I think the twin 90-HP V4 two-cycle engines may have been holding back the sale. Those twins are going to consume a lot of gasoline. Fortunately, at today's price of gasoline it won't be too difficult to stick with the engines rather than spend $25,000 in a re-power.
padrefigure	posted 08-05-2015 11:35 AM ET (US) It looks like you have the 77 gallon tank. If the boat has been sitting, check the rubber fuel hoses. You have the fill line, vent, and supply lines for the motors. I cannot tell if you have an inline fuel water separator, but if you do not, add one. In case you have not figured it out, you got a hell of a deal.
jimh	posted 08-05-2015 11:47 AM ET (US) PADRE' s mention of concern about the fuel hoses is very good advice. The composition of rubber fuel hoses changed around 1987 to rubber that was tolerant of alcohol in the gasoline. If the boat still has c.1984 rubber fuel hoses, inspect them carefully and look for markings on the outer jacket that indicate the hose is tolerant of alcohol. The rubber fuel hose should also have a clear date of manufacture on the jacket. Replacement of fuel lines that are more than 31-years old would be prudent. In particular, the main fuel filler hose from the fuel filler inlet on the gunwale to the fuel tank should be carefully inspected, and the horizontal run from the gunwale-to-deck 90-degree turn over to the fuel tank fill inlet should be assessed for permeation of the rubber jacket with gasoline. It is often seen that this portion of the fuel filler hose has softened due to gasoline fuel being left sitting in the horizontal run. Replacement of that portion is a rather difficult task, but if that hose is leaking gasoline, you will want to replace it. You can typically detect this with your own nose. Remove the circular deck access pry-out plate in the forward part of the deck that covers the fuel inlet area. Take a good inhale of the air from there shortly after fueling the boat. If you smell gasoline, the source of that odor may be a permeated horizontal fuel filler hose.
half shell	posted 08-08-2015 09:57 AM ET (US) Nice buy price for a great boat.How does it ride with the twin engines? I have a single 200HPDI Yamaha on my 22outrage and love it.Even if some day you have to Repower you are still a 100k less than a new 22 Good luck!!
littleblue	posted 08-09-2015 09:18 PM ET (US) Congratulations. I've had mine since 2010 and am still very happy with it!
dfmcintyre	posted 08-10-2015 06:06 AM ET (US) Grant - Congrats on the purchase. Is the tank plastic or metal? Regards from a onetime 22 Outrage owner. Don
gwoods71	posted 08-10-2015 07:09 AM ET (US) Thanks you everyone for the kind words and advice. It does have the aluminum tank, and it looks like the fill & vent hoses are original, but appear to be in great shape. (they will be replaced this winter regardless). No gasoline smell anywhere on the boat. There is a filter, but no water separator. There appears to be a lot of moisture in the fuel tank cavity. The hull sits right at the boot stripe with a full tank of gas at rest, which leads me to believe that the hull (sans fuel tank foam) is fairly dry. I do not believe this boat has spent much time in the water in the past decade or so. After getting to spend some time on it this weekend around Les Cheneaux I am loving it even more. The ride is fabulous, although the weight of the twins means it has to be trimmed all the way down to not be crazy high in the bow. She cruises at 20 and tops out at 35 (per GPS), I love the super console storage and the room, dramatically different boat than the 86 Montauk. We did get it offshore a bit Sunday, and ran out to Martins Reef light, there were about 4' seas and 2' chop mixed in, seas kicked up to about 5' about a mile from the light, and I was greatly impressed with the ride, I have driven a 22' revenge, but that was only on Torch Lake. We pulled the boat from TC to Les Cheaneaux with my wife's Grand Cherokee (4.7 V8) I was also impressed with how well it did. -Grant
gwoods71	posted 08-10-2015 07:18 AM ET (US) P.S. I added a few pictures from the weekend to the Outrage album https://goo.gl/photos/aQqpMdPDf42cJccP9
DeeVee	posted 08-12-2015 01:32 PM ET (US) Grant, I have wondered what the deck layout is like with the Super Console. Would it be possible for you to take a few pictures of the boat interior? I would especially like to see the relationship of between the front of the console and the small hatch step. Thank you, Doug Vazquez
DeeVee	posted 08-12-2015 01:32 PM ET (US) Grant, I have wondered what the deck layout is like with the Super Console. Would it be possible for you to take a few pictures of the boat interior? I would especially like to see the relationship of between the front of the console and the small hatch step. Thank you, Doug Vazquez
Marko888	posted 08-12-2015 11:05 PM ET (US) Doug, I inspected a 1988 Outrage 22 WD with a Super Console on the weekend. The front edge of the Super Console appears to be in the same position as the std. console would be, that is, the width of a cooler back of the step up onto the central hatch lid. Mark
gwoods71	posted 08-13-2015 06:55 AM ET (US) Doug, I added one pic I had from the first time I looked at the boat. It does the the cooler cleat is right up against the bow step. I can take some more this weekend when she is in the water. (Yay gas jumped up past $3.00 a gallon...)
Powergroove803	posted 08-13-2015 03:44 PM ET (US) Do Super consoles have doors on both sides? Just noticed them on this one
DeeVee	posted 08-13-2015 10:56 PM ET (US) Grant, The next time you are on the boat, can you measure the base dimensions of the console and post here? I am sure I have asked for these dimensions before but can not locate them anywhere. Thanks again, Doug Vazquez.
stayinstrewn	posted 08-14-2015 01:07 AM ET (US) Yes, they do have a door on both sides. On my boat I have the fire extinguisher on starboard and two drawers that flip out on the port side.
gwoods71	posted 08-22-2015 06:49 AM ET (US) Doug--my apologies for the delay. The Super Console measures 44-inch wide, 39-inch wide at the base. It is located 18-inch back from the front deck step, and centered between the gunwales. I cannot confirm, but I have heard there may have been a slightly larger version on the 25-foot boats.--Grant
andygere	posted 08-23-2015 09:43 AM ET (US) Great looking boat at a very good price. It probably rolled off the deal floor for $35k or more when new. The savings on initial purchase price for you will buy a lot of fuel. Run those 90s and enjoy.
gwoods71	posted 08-24-2015 06:29 AM ET (US) When I bought the boat i was sure to ask if it had any canvas with it. The dealer-broker told me the owner had "a few scraps of canvas and a couple bows for a bimini" I was pretty adamant that we get them, even for patterns I figured. it wasn't available when we picked the boat up, but I took Friday off, and drove back down to Indiana to pick up the "scraps" You can see them for yourself here: https://goo.gl/photos/6Dxy5bb5TKrBnBVHA I would say it was worth the drive for almost a complete Mills enclosure. There was also another blue piece that clearly didn't belong to this boat, maybe I will resew into a console cover or something
Buckda	posted 08-24-2015 08:19 AM ET (US) Great boat! how often are you up in the Islands? We have a place on LaSalle and I work on Prentiss Bay and look out at the St Martin Reef Light every day. Wonderful place for a Whaler!
george nagy	posted 08-24-2015 11:47 AM ET (US) Great deal and nice boat. Can you verify which is the length and width of the console, length being bow stern? Also how tall is the console? I'm looking for a console to hide a porta potty head in for the kids.
gwoods71	posted 09-03-2015 07:30 AM ET (US) Super console is 44" wide, 39" long, 33" tall at the lower part and about 39" tall near the windshield. With the drawer, shelf, gauges, cables, and not to mention the small door size, i think you would be hard pressed to fit a porta potti in there. Buck- We try and get up once a month or so, my parents are retired and get to spend a lot more time up there, our place is on Hill Island. We are in a row of about 12 whaler owners on the SW side of the island