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tchowes posted 04-28-2008 11:25 AM ET (US)
I acquired a mid 70’s 19’ Outrage/Low Pro located in Baton Rouge last week. The original logic last week was to downsize from my current 1986 22’ Outrage Cuddy powered by a newer Merc 225, which I’ve owned for 10 years.
The logic of this purchase stemmed from my decision to forgo moving up to a larger Whaler (like 27' Full Cabin). Instead I’m launching our 25’ Catalina sailboat which I bought a few years back. Having the 22’ Outrage as its dinghy is overkill. However, I could justify a simpler “harbor” boat for the occasional cruise out into the bay. When I saw the 19’, I thought this made sense especially with a fuel sipping 115 4 stroke.
I'm starting to rethink this decision as I get ready to pay to ship it north to Massachusetts.
The 22' Outrage and 19' Low Pro are two of my 5 favorite whalers of all time. However, I'm past my allotment.
Do I pay $1,300 to move it to Massachusetts to assess and cleanup? Or do I cut the cord and unload it here for my cost which is under $1,600? Or do I sell the Cuddy ASAP?
By the way, the 19’ is a project boat though not horrendously so. The owner had removed the inside liner effectively creating a low profile 19’ (See cetacea page 37). In speaking with the owner, the transom needs some cosmetic work though it is supposedly structurally sound. In addition, there is a spot to the left of the console previously repaired. Solid but not pretty. The good news is that the boat has its original gelcoat (no bottom paint either), which is very appealing. The trailer seems road worthy though one of the tires has some dry rot, so replacement might be a good idea before going a far distance. Motor is a blown Suzuki 175 of late 80’s vintage.
Any thoughts?

Tohsgib posted 04-28-2008 02:44 PM ET (US)
I would take the boat for that price. My 115 on my revenge gets about 6mpg and will do 40mph. great bayboat and sooo stable. Also easy to launch and retrieve.
Blue_Northern posted 04-28-2008 03:29 PM ET (US)
Tim,
I bid on that boat as well. I sent you an email with my thoughts. Call me at 979-966-3986 - Rob
Mully posted 04-28-2008 04:46 PM ET (US)
I may be interested in your Outrage Cuddy 22.
Will you post here or elsewhere when/if you decide to sell?
Good luck whichever way you go.
runpasthefence posted 04-28-2008 07:45 PM ET (US)
I'm interested in the 19' Low Pro. I'll keep an eye out if you decide to sell her.
tchowes posted 04-28-2008 08:47 PM ET (US)
Thanks guys, appreciate the input. I'm going to make a final decision on Tuesday. I don't want to leave the seller hanging, so I'm leaning toward selling the low-pro now and getting the 22' whaler in the water this weekend and ready to sell. Rob, since you bid against me, I'll call you first, ok?
I just discovered that the title on the 22' is temporarily MIA (I submitted the original back in the winter to our yacht club to prove ownership every year, and goodness knows where it is right at the moment). If it doesn't pop up by Wednesday, I'm off to the state of MA to get a replacement ASAP. This will delay me doing anything with it for 2-4 weeks anyway. I will post when I get my brain and boat in order.
The good news is the delay provides the time to reinstall the factory stern fold down bench seat. It lasted 20 years and is awaiting a new life at Art's Auto and Marine right now. Should be nice when finished!
Sailboats are ridiculously inexpensive right now. I'm looking forward to hanging out on the mooring at night with the kids. Plus, burning 1/2 gallon of fuel at 5 knots won't stink either. Of course, not being to outrun storms might be a weakness.....
The 22' cuddy has been a GREAT boat. Really is the ideal size. Towable, yet can go the distance in most conditions. If I do sell, I will miss her dearly.
I have a colleague that buys trade-ins from dealers. I've bought several boats through the years from him. I'm going to see what he has coming in for older whalers, 15-19' works for me (he had a low pro one month ago). Would love a minor project boat that I could make right. I just can't be without ONE whaler. Life would lack meaning and substance!
runpasthefence posted 04-28-2008 10:06 PM ET (US)
Good luck with everything. I agree, the Low Pro and the 22' Outrage Cuddy are two of the best Whalers ever made. One of my dream Whalers is a 22' Cuddy model powered by a single 300hp motor. Another would be a Low Pro powered by a lighter V6 two stroke. You've got two great boats there, you can't go wrong.
I'll email you in case something with your previous commitments don't materialize. However, I'm not in a position to afford to buy or run a 22' Cuddy.
Once again, good luck.
Mully posted 04-28-2008 10:12 PM ET (US)
tchowes,
I may be willing to trade my 1970 16' as partial payment for your 22. It started out life as a Katama but has been modified (tastefully in my humble opinion) and is now a CC. All wood is mahogany. Motor is a 1993 Yamaha 90 hp. Good galv. trailer w/ 4 bunks.
http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s319/robmul/
Let me know if you might be interested and if so I'll take some more recent photos - these are a couple years old.
Cheers,
Mul
bearrw posted 04-29-2008 07:59 AM ET (US)
I'm interested in the low pro. I live in Texas and willing to travel. e-mail bearrw@bp.com
tchowes posted 04-29-2008 08:37 AM ET (US)
I'm probably going to sell the boat to Rob since he bid against me on Ebay. If he doesn't want it, I'll go down the list. I'm not looking to make a profit on it.
Mul, beautiful job on your 16'. I'll consider once I get my house in order.
Runpastthefence, a ETEC 300 would be something (power to weight ratio is nice). Given that I live on Buzzards Bay in MA, it's a very rare day to be able to go over 35 mph. Usually cruise at 25. If I were keeping the boat and were looking to invest in a new motor, I'd probably put an ETEC 200. Very light weight and enough power for my needs.
I've been checking boats locally and have found 2 (70's) 19' Outrages priced between $4.5k and $5.5k in my area with original gelcoat and 80's motors. With all due respect to 19' Outrage owners (I've owned one), I find the Low-Pro more attractive. While the inner shell adds a layer of practicality in terms of storage, freeboard and safety, the radically low freeboard and overall simplicity of the Low Pro is quite something to behold. This is why I was always a fan of the 21' Outrage (I had a ribbed one for several years before the 22' Cuddy). It also makes the boat seem more utilitarian which meets my needs.
Here's my question of the day for you Low Pro enthusiasts (I realize this thread now belongs under general discussion, sorry Jim). Since Whaler advertised the Low Pro as an Outrage 19 without the inner shell, if one were to remove the inner liner, would your Outrage 19 really be a Low Pro?
Since I live in New England and the inventory of Low-Pro's is slim-to-none, my thought is yes.

Tohsgib posted 04-29-2008 12:43 PM ET (US)
Nope, neither is the one you bought. It would be a Lo-Pro conversion or clone in my opinion. The original lo-Pros were only made from 76-78. Nothing wrong with a conversion(probably the only way to aquire one) but it is still a conversion or clone. Nomatter how correct you turn your 69 GTO into a Judge it will ALWAYS be a clone.
I wonder what a real Lo-Pro title says? Even though my Newtaul was made at the factory, the title still said Newport.

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Author	Topic: Debating fate of 19' Outrage/Low Pro
tchowes	posted 04-28-2008 11:25 AM ET (US) I acquired a mid 70’s 19’ Outrage/Low Pro located in Baton Rouge last week. The original logic last week was to downsize from my current 1986 22’ Outrage Cuddy powered by a newer Merc 225, which I’ve owned for 10 years. The logic of this purchase stemmed from my decision to forgo moving up to a larger Whaler (like 27' Full Cabin). Instead I’m launching our 25’ Catalina sailboat which I bought a few years back. Having the 22’ Outrage as its dinghy is overkill. However, I could justify a simpler “harbor” boat for the occasional cruise out into the bay. When I saw the 19’, I thought this made sense especially with a fuel sipping 115 4 stroke. I'm starting to rethink this decision as I get ready to pay to ship it north to Massachusetts. The 22' Outrage and 19' Low Pro are two of my 5 favorite whalers of all time. However, I'm past my allotment. Do I pay $1,300 to move it to Massachusetts to assess and cleanup? Or do I cut the cord and unload it here for my cost which is under $1,600? Or do I sell the Cuddy ASAP? By the way, the 19’ is a project boat though not horrendously so. The owner had removed the inside liner effectively creating a low profile 19’ (See cetacea page 37). In speaking with the owner, the transom needs some cosmetic work though it is supposedly structurally sound. In addition, there is a spot to the left of the console previously repaired. Solid but not pretty. The good news is that the boat has its original gelcoat (no bottom paint either), which is very appealing. The trailer seems road worthy though one of the tires has some dry rot, so replacement might be a good idea before going a far distance. Motor is a blown Suzuki 175 of late 80’s vintage. Any thoughts?
Tohsgib	posted 04-28-2008 02:44 PM ET (US) I would take the boat for that price. My 115 on my revenge gets about 6mpg and will do 40mph. great bayboat and sooo stable. Also easy to launch and retrieve.
Blue_Northern	posted 04-28-2008 03:29 PM ET (US) Tim, I bid on that boat as well. I sent you an email with my thoughts. Call me at 979-966-3986 - Rob
Mully	posted 04-28-2008 04:46 PM ET (US) I may be interested in your Outrage Cuddy 22. Will you post here or elsewhere when/if you decide to sell? Good luck whichever way you go.
runpasthefence	posted 04-28-2008 07:45 PM ET (US) I'm interested in the 19' Low Pro. I'll keep an eye out if you decide to sell her.
tchowes	posted 04-28-2008 08:47 PM ET (US) Thanks guys, appreciate the input. I'm going to make a final decision on Tuesday. I don't want to leave the seller hanging, so I'm leaning toward selling the low-pro now and getting the 22' whaler in the water this weekend and ready to sell. Rob, since you bid against me, I'll call you first, ok? I just discovered that the title on the 22' is temporarily MIA (I submitted the original back in the winter to our yacht club to prove ownership every year, and goodness knows where it is right at the moment). If it doesn't pop up by Wednesday, I'm off to the state of MA to get a replacement ASAP. This will delay me doing anything with it for 2-4 weeks anyway. I will post when I get my brain and boat in order. The good news is the delay provides the time to reinstall the factory stern fold down bench seat. It lasted 20 years and is awaiting a new life at Art's Auto and Marine right now. Should be nice when finished! Sailboats are ridiculously inexpensive right now. I'm looking forward to hanging out on the mooring at night with the kids. Plus, burning 1/2 gallon of fuel at 5 knots won't stink either. Of course, not being to outrun storms might be a weakness..... The 22' cuddy has been a GREAT boat. Really is the ideal size. Towable, yet can go the distance in most conditions. If I do sell, I will miss her dearly. I have a colleague that buys trade-ins from dealers. I've bought several boats through the years from him. I'm going to see what he has coming in for older whalers, 15-19' works for me (he had a low pro one month ago). Would love a minor project boat that I could make right. I just can't be without ONE whaler. Life would lack meaning and substance!
runpasthefence	posted 04-28-2008 10:06 PM ET (US) Good luck with everything. I agree, the Low Pro and the 22' Outrage Cuddy are two of the best Whalers ever made. One of my dream Whalers is a 22' Cuddy model powered by a single 300hp motor. Another would be a Low Pro powered by a lighter V6 two stroke. You've got two great boats there, you can't go wrong. I'll email you in case something with your previous commitments don't materialize. However, I'm not in a position to afford to buy or run a 22' Cuddy. Once again, good luck.
Mully	posted 04-28-2008 10:12 PM ET (US) tchowes, I may be willing to trade my 1970 16' as partial payment for your 22. It started out life as a Katama but has been modified (tastefully in my humble opinion) and is now a CC. All wood is mahogany. Motor is a 1993 Yamaha 90 hp. Good galv. trailer w/ 4 bunks. http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s319/robmul/ Let me know if you might be interested and if so I'll take some more recent photos - these are a couple years old. Cheers, Mul
bearrw	posted 04-29-2008 07:59 AM ET (US) I'm interested in the low pro. I live in Texas and willing to travel. e-mail bearrw@bp.com
tchowes	posted 04-29-2008 08:37 AM ET (US) I'm probably going to sell the boat to Rob since he bid against me on Ebay. If he doesn't want it, I'll go down the list. I'm not looking to make a profit on it. Mul, beautiful job on your 16'. I'll consider once I get my house in order. Runpastthefence, a ETEC 300 would be something (power to weight ratio is nice). Given that I live on Buzzards Bay in MA, it's a very rare day to be able to go over 35 mph. Usually cruise at 25. If I were keeping the boat and were looking to invest in a new motor, I'd probably put an ETEC 200. Very light weight and enough power for my needs. I've been checking boats locally and have found 2 (70's) 19' Outrages priced between $4.5k and $5.5k in my area with original gelcoat and 80's motors. With all due respect to 19' Outrage owners (I've owned one), I find the Low-Pro more attractive. While the inner shell adds a layer of practicality in terms of storage, freeboard and safety, the radically low freeboard and overall simplicity of the Low Pro is quite something to behold. This is why I was always a fan of the 21' Outrage (I had a ribbed one for several years before the 22' Cuddy). It also makes the boat seem more utilitarian which meets my needs. Here's my question of the day for you Low Pro enthusiasts (I realize this thread now belongs under general discussion, sorry Jim). Since Whaler advertised the Low Pro as an Outrage 19 without the inner shell, if one were to remove the inner liner, would your Outrage 19 really be a Low Pro? Since I live in New England and the inventory of Low-Pro's is slim-to-none, my thought is yes.
Tohsgib	posted 04-29-2008 12:43 PM ET (US) Nope, neither is the one you bought. It would be a Lo-Pro conversion or clone in my opinion. The original lo-Pros were only made from 76-78. Nothing wrong with a conversion(probably the only way to aquire one) but it is still a conversion or clone. Nomatter how correct you turn your 69 GTO into a Judge it will ALWAYS be a clone. I wonder what a real Lo-Pro title says? Even though my Newtaul was made at the factory, the title still said Newport.