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|Author||Topic: Montauk Value|
posted 06-24-2008 05:04 PM ET (US)
Thinking about buying this old montauk from a neighbor of ours that has been sitting up for 10-15 yrs. He said it is a 70's model but not sure off hand of the exact year. Trailer is shot, he doesnt think the motor is any good, and its been holding water for atleast the past two years. Wanted to know what any of you thought I should offer him, he has left it up to me but dont want to insult him. Also I saw there were quite a few threads about 70 four strokes on these boats. Anyone know of any good places to look for a used four stroke. Thanks
|Casco Bay Outrage||
posted 06-24-2008 05:33 PM ET (US)
here is a link to the album http://picasaweb.google.com/Bowman9491/Whaler
Before I tell you my suggested offer let me just say what a real shame. Why would anyone abandon something like that. Just shameful.I can see the ring from the standing water.
With a lot of elbow grease, cushions, re-wire and an engine, it could look pretty good.
I would say $750 - 1k. I would convince the guy to take the offer. At least he/you will not have to look at it in such sad shape.
Just one opinion.
posted 06-24-2008 05:53 PM ET (US)
That owner does not know the meaning of the word insult.
posted 06-24-2008 05:58 PM ET (US)
Actually, for the work it needs the guy should just give it to you. I'm sure it will be a lot more than 1K when you are done. That is if you do it mostly yourself!
posted 06-24-2008 06:26 PM ET (US)
I know, been trying to get this boat from him for two years now. My father-in-law has the same boat and keeps it immaculate and I love fishing two out of it. Restored a 21' revenge two years ago that was in similar shape and had a good time and learned alot doing it so would like to get into this one soon. Thanks for the responses
posted 06-24-2008 06:30 PM ET (US)
holding water for the last 2 years ??,,before you offer any money """float the boat first""" what ever it takes to get to knee deep water float it first,,,
posted 06-24-2008 06:32 PM ET (US)
I'm pretty much in agreement with Casco Bay Outrage's assessment. A waterlogged hull might be a deal-breaker, though. The fact that all the nice OEM rails and such are present is a plus. It's considerate of you to not want to insult him with too low of an offer, and often older people have an unrealistic idea of what their things are worth. But it probably pains him to see how the boat he once loved has suffered from neglect. If you have the wherewithal to restore it, at he can see the results, it might motivate him.
posted 06-24-2008 07:23 PM ET (US)
Well it will need a good cleaning, but you can tell that already. I would for ~$800, and not budge above $1100. (If he balks show him prices of new outboards, and the prices of a few used ones and include installation costs too.) He will then see that that cost of this boat for any new owner is going to be a motor.
But no matter what: Tap the deck for soft spots and float the boat!!!
Tap the interior with the handle end of a large plastic screw driver handle or a mallet with a plastic head. Soft spots should be easy to find by walking around or listening.
Float the boat and take some pictures of how she floats, or take a tape measure the free board. (And take note of what is weight is onboard.) Post your photos/numbers and the collective opinon of CW will tell you if the boat is waterlogged or not.
(Or you can take the boat to the truck scales.)
Aside from no structural issues she is a good canidate for restoration. (But water in the hull is a big show stopper.)
posted 06-24-2008 08:22 PM ET (US)
The teak will shine with sanding and oil. The rps cushion can be replaced for $200. The gelcoat will look like showroom with 3 step per this board. Write off the motor. If there are no hidden problems on fiberglass/foam, its a deal if below $3,000.
posted 06-24-2008 08:27 PM ET (US)
Wanted to know if anyone could help me out also with a place in Florida that I found two years ago on here that had alot of new and used motors for real good prices. Looked everywhere and cant seem to find it. Also, what is "3 step per this board". Thanks again
posted 06-24-2008 08:36 PM ET (US)
Somebody who treats a classic Whaler like that does not deserve a dime for it.
posted 06-24-2008 09:38 PM ET (US)
Here is the BW version of the 3 step. Look at the sentence beginning "If the gel coated surface gloss...". There are other versions of the 3 step if you search with "3 step" and "lhg"
"Fiberglass/Gel Coat Care and Refinishing
"Molded fiberglass with a gel coated exterior finish makes up the structure of the hull, deck and some interior parts of your Boston Whaler. The Gel Coat is the outer surface, often colored, that presents the shiny, smooth appearance which is associated with fiberglass products. In some areas, this Gel Coat surface is painted or taped for styling purposes. Wash the fiberglass regularly with clean, fresh water. Wax Gel Coated surfaces to maintain the luster. In northern climates, a semiannual waxing may suffice for the season. In southern climates, a quarterly application of wax will be required for adequate protection. WARNING!: Gel Coat surfaces are slippery when wet. Use extreme care when walking on wet Gel Coat. Recommended waxes are: 3M Imperial Hand Glaze #05990 or Meguiars #26 Hiteck Yellow Wax. If the Gel Coated surface gloss cannot be restored by waxing, power buff with a rubbing compound such as 3M Super Duty #05955, followed with 3M Finesse-It 2 #05928, then wax. WARNING!: Care should be utilized in waxing commonly walked-upon areas of the boat to ensure that they are not dangerously slippery. An alternate method is to use Meguiars #44 Heavy Duty Color Restorer followed with Meguiars #50 Boat Cleaner/Polish, then wax. Recommended waxes are: 3M Imperial Hand Glaze #05990 or Meguiars #26 Hiteck Yellow Wax. If Gel Coat is not maintained and becomes heavily oxidized, light sanding may be required before buffing."
posted 06-24-2008 09:42 PM ET (US)
posted 06-24-2008 10:06 PM ET (US)
2 years 1/2 loaded with water,,,float the boat first,, worry about the cosmetic things later,,float the boat
posted 06-25-2008 11:31 AM ET (US)
I would not write off the engine if it is not seized. spray some lube in the cyls, and do a compression test. If Ok, rebuild carbs and waterpump, etc and enjoy. Shroud is a early/mid 90's and they are tough motors. If I could I woud try for a grand but honestly might go to 2k since she is a newer smirked 17.
posted 06-25-2008 12:01 PM ET (US)
You may need to call Billy Mays on that one.
posted 06-25-2008 12:16 PM ET (US)
That would make one HELL of an Oxyclean commercial...little simple green would help as well.
posted 06-25-2008 03:29 PM ET (US)
I would bet that boat has some water intrusion issues.
Most of the stuff in there is junk.
The RPS and console will take some $ and much work to get right.
If he says the motor and trailer are shot take him at his word.
So you are looking at a 30-year-old neglected 17-foot hull.
I would place the upper limit of its value at $1K.
If he doesn't take your offer at first he will after he lists it for sale and gets no action or a few real lowball offers.
If you get it for $1K and discover it is a waterlogged mess you can probably part it out and get your money back.
Good luck just the same.
posted 06-25-2008 04:59 PM ET (US)
I agree with Mully. That hull is almost certainly waterlogged. Whaler didn't seal many/any of its screw holes, rivet holes, or even the front end of the rigging tunnel. Anywhere that water can get under the skin is a potential issue, and looking at this hull, that's everywhere.
The stainless RPS seatback bars and Z legs are worth a couple of hundred, and the console is probably rebuildable, but I think the hull is shot. I would RUN away from this one. Just my .02, don't shoot the messenger, folks.
posted 06-25-2008 06:26 PM ET (US)
Was she a victim of Katrina? I agree with the water intrusion suspicions, that being said if you float it or weigh it and find it's not overweight/waterlogged, I think you'll be surprised what some soap, water, wet sanding, color restorer, and wax will do.....Possible diamond in the rough.....
posted 06-25-2008 11:30 PM ET (US)
I like what you're saying. I'm picking up what your putting down.....J and C (K?) He got a shock!
Can you drag your rig down to GP over the 4th? I'll be there with my Outrage and fam.
posted 06-26-2008 04:09 PM ET (US)
e dub -
I'll be at Lake Winnie (NH) over the 4th and then in Boothbay visiting the fam the next week.
May try to run up to GP but it will be tough with the girls, as you know.
Definitely need to catch up though.
Give your family my best.
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