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WestportWhaler posted 08-07-2008 12:13 PM ET (US)
Over the weekend, I stumbled upon a 1983 25' Outrage with a superconsole and leaning post. The boat was re-powered last year with a Honda 225 4S which is mounted to an Armstrong Bracket. It has 60 hours on it so far and another year to go on the warranty. The boat has been re-wired.
The owner has a line on a 34' Contender that he can get at a fire sale price so he's thinking of liquidating the Whaler come fall.
The 25' would be a far more flexible platform and one that could more comfortably accomodate my wife and our 6 kids.
Assuming decent condition, which it looks to be from the glance I had from my boat, what is a fair range of price for this vessel?
Thanks,
Ian
PS - I currently have a 1987 18' Outrage in outstanding condition. It has original power, low hours and great maint and runs very well. I love this boat but find that it's a bit too small for comfortably crossing Long Island Sound for my passengers. For me, it's just an athletic event. If I can find a decent replacement, this boat will be sold. Original teak in vg condition. Comes with Mills fwd shelter and bimini. Cosole and engine cover, RPS, mills trailer cover and galvanized bunk trailer in v-good, road-worthy condition. Help with pricing this package will also be greatly appreciated!

shindog107 posted 08-07-2008 02:07 PM ET (US)
How about $9,000 for the 18 and $17,000 for the 25. It is a soft market, end of the season and no pictures to judge quality. One man's opinion
boatsaver posted 08-10-2008 01:19 PM ET (US)
Now is a time to wait! Even in a better market you probably will never regret not buying a boat that you have to ask for advice, or think, about. There will always be another better boat, and the outlook is for more of a buyer's market in the future.
The 18 is probably a keeper, if the motor is one of those rare 20 yr. old saltwater motors that is flushed after every use (only you know that.)
highspeed_jd posted 08-11-2008 01:38 AM ET (US)
I think the 25 is worth more than $17,000. Its got new power on a bracket. I figure $19,000 on the low end. Thats if the boat is in fair condition. I have looked at a few 25 Outrages before I stumbled across the one I got. You'll now if its "the one". As for the 18 Outrage, I think that you can get $10 - $12,000 pretty easy for it.
Just my thinking out loud.
WestportWhaler posted 08-13-2008 01:04 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the comments.
I went out on the 25' boat on Saturday. Owner is a great guy and it was a pleasure meeting him and experiencing the boat.
The boat is in "good" condition. The current owner has added a rear bench seat, fresh water wash down tank, new gunwal caps (replacing the teak)...It's not a faithful restoration but a practical solution. The 225 motor is adequate but, IMO, not ideal in terms of power. Hole shot is only fair. Economy and speed are decent.
Overall, it's a very nice package and one that would serve my needs well.
We'll see. He's in no hurry and neither am I.
Thanks again.
deepwater posted 08-13-2008 04:21 PM ET (US)
should i sell my radar separately and for how much
Casco Bay Outrage posted 08-13-2008 06:07 PM ET (US)
WW -
Are you sure it is 1983? I don't see it listed in the reference section.
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/specifications.html
The 1985-1990 Outrage 25 has a max hp of 300 as does the Outrage 25 Cuddy version (1983 - 1991)
Could be the boat is underperforming due to an inappropriate prop.
CBO
WestportWhaler posted 08-15-2008 12:48 PM ET (US)
Am only as sure as the owner. I did not read the plate or look for the serial nums. Took his word for it.
He got a great deal on the motor. A crate-fresh '04 that he picked up and had installed, all in, for $13K.
Might be the prop. Boat might be heavy. Might just "be". Don't know.
Don't get me wrong, hole-shot aside, the boat goes nicely. Cruises at about 38knots at 4,500 rpm +/-. Tops out at about 45 mph at 5500 rpms. Some cavitation on turns at speed.
All in all, a nice package.
Tohsgib posted 08-15-2008 12:55 PM ET (US)
Going from a 18-25 the holeshot is going to considerably slower. I think you prop it down 2" and you will be even more happy with the performance. 4 strokes need to be at the upper rpm range.
Wasatch Whaler posted 08-15-2008 04:06 PM ET (US)
Westport,
Something isn't quite right with the performance numbers.
38 Knots equals 42.7 MPH. If the boat was going 42.7 at roughly 4,500 rpm, an extra 1,000 rpm should be more than 1.3 MPH.
deepwater posted 08-15-2008 07:24 PM ET (US)
get it in the water first

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WestportWhaler	posted 08-07-2008 12:13 PM ET (US) Over the weekend, I stumbled upon a 1983 25' Outrage with a superconsole and leaning post. The boat was re-powered last year with a Honda 225 4S which is mounted to an Armstrong Bracket. It has 60 hours on it so far and another year to go on the warranty. The boat has been re-wired. The owner has a line on a 34' Contender that he can get at a fire sale price so he's thinking of liquidating the Whaler come fall. The 25' would be a far more flexible platform and one that could more comfortably accomodate my wife and our 6 kids. Assuming decent condition, which it looks to be from the glance I had from my boat, what is a fair range of price for this vessel? Thanks, Ian PS - I currently have a 1987 18' Outrage in outstanding condition. It has original power, low hours and great maint and runs very well. I love this boat but find that it's a bit too small for comfortably crossing Long Island Sound for my passengers. For me, it's just an athletic event. If I can find a decent replacement, this boat will be sold. Original teak in vg condition. Comes with Mills fwd shelter and bimini. Cosole and engine cover, RPS, mills trailer cover and galvanized bunk trailer in v-good, road-worthy condition. Help with pricing this package will also be greatly appreciated!
shindog107	posted 08-07-2008 02:07 PM ET (US) How about $9,000 for the 18 and $17,000 for the 25. It is a soft market, end of the season and no pictures to judge quality. One man's opinion
boatsaver	posted 08-10-2008 01:19 PM ET (US) Now is a time to wait! Even in a better market you probably will never regret not buying a boat that you have to ask for advice, or think, about. There will always be another better boat, and the outlook is for more of a buyer's market in the future. The 18 is probably a keeper, if the motor is one of those rare 20 yr. old saltwater motors that is flushed after every use (only you know that.)
highspeed_jd	posted 08-11-2008 01:38 AM ET (US) I think the 25 is worth more than $17,000. Its got new power on a bracket. I figure $19,000 on the low end. Thats if the boat is in fair condition. I have looked at a few 25 Outrages before I stumbled across the one I got. You'll now if its "the one". As for the 18 Outrage, I think that you can get $10 - $12,000 pretty easy for it. Just my thinking out loud.
WestportWhaler	posted 08-13-2008 01:04 PM ET (US) Thanks for the comments. I went out on the 25' boat on Saturday. Owner is a great guy and it was a pleasure meeting him and experiencing the boat. The boat is in "good" condition. The current owner has added a rear bench seat, fresh water wash down tank, new gunwal caps (replacing the teak)...It's not a faithful restoration but a practical solution. The 225 motor is adequate but, IMO, not ideal in terms of power. Hole shot is only fair. Economy and speed are decent. Overall, it's a very nice package and one that would serve my needs well. We'll see. He's in no hurry and neither am I. Thanks again.
deepwater	posted 08-13-2008 04:21 PM ET (US) should i sell my radar separately and for how much
Casco Bay Outrage	posted 08-13-2008 06:07 PM ET (US) WW - Are you sure it is 1983? I don't see it listed in the reference section. http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/specifications.html The 1985-1990 Outrage 25 has a max hp of 300 as does the Outrage 25 Cuddy version (1983 - 1991) Could be the boat is underperforming due to an inappropriate prop. CBO
WestportWhaler	posted 08-15-2008 12:48 PM ET (US) Am only as sure as the owner. I did not read the plate or look for the serial nums. Took his word for it. He got a great deal on the motor. A crate-fresh '04 that he picked up and had installed, all in, for $13K. Might be the prop. Boat might be heavy. Might just "be". Don't know. Don't get me wrong, hole-shot aside, the boat goes nicely. Cruises at about 38knots at 4,500 rpm +/-. Tops out at about 45 mph at 5500 rpms. Some cavitation on turns at speed. All in all, a nice package.
Tohsgib	posted 08-15-2008 12:55 PM ET (US) Going from a 18-25 the holeshot is going to considerably slower. I think you prop it down 2" and you will be even more happy with the performance. 4 strokes need to be at the upper rpm range.
Wasatch Whaler	posted 08-15-2008 04:06 PM ET (US) Westport, Something isn't quite right with the performance numbers. 38 Knots equals 42.7 MPH. If the boat was going 42.7 at roughly 4,500 rpm, an extra 1,000 rpm should be more than 1.3 MPH.
deepwater	posted 08-15-2008 07:24 PM ET (US) get it in the water first