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bdb posted 10-16-2008 11:27 AM ET (US)   Profile for bdb   Send Email to bdb  
Posting for a friend:

1978 21' Outrage with 1988 Yamaha 130 hp and 1978 EZ Loader trailer.
Original gel coat is beautiful
Custom Mills sun top and 3 sided enclosure Bottom redone with epoxy barrier coat and bottom paint Custom aft bench seat - removable New cushions New cooler seat All wood redone in Cetol "Natural"
Two batteries w/switch in console
VHF, depth, speed, water temp, compass
Life jackets, lines, fenders, flares, fire ext.
Rare fore ward lifting eyes
New bilge pump
Engine has low hours and starts and runs great Trailer is serviceable but needs brakes

Beautiful head-turning example of a classic 'banana' Outrage. Fuel efficient, stable and needs nothing.

$11,500.00 Contact Rick 920-421-0304 days, 920 854-2196 eves and weekends


OutrageMan posted 10-16-2008 02:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan
68 WhaleR posted 10-16-2008 09:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for 68 WhaleR  Send Email to 68 WhaleR     
How is the tow weight on this when it is loaded ready to go out for the day?
Nice boat.
bdb posted 10-17-2008 09:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
Originally the boat's weight was about 1600lbs. The person capacity was 10. Add 40 gallons of fuel, maybe 300 for the engine, and whatever gear you carry and you'd have a rough estimate. Maybe add 10% to whatever you calculate for wiggle room.
jeffs22outrage posted 10-17-2008 09:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     

Is this you boat? When we emailed this summer about the 21 in SW Michigan I thought you were looking for a boat.

bdb posted 10-17-2008 10:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
No it's not mine Jeff. It belongs to a friend and I posted for him. This summer I was looking for a boat for my brother-in-law.

If I did not have an extensive closed-transom 18' Outrage project underway, I would buy this boat. She is a beaut. I've known the boat for years and have run it frequently. Someone is going to be very happy with this Outrage.

jeffs22outrage posted 10-17-2008 11:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     

So, why is the friend selling the boat? How long has he owned it? Has it always been a freshwater boat?

OutrageMan posted 10-17-2008 11:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan     
I have to agree. I also know this boat very well and can vouch for how beautiful she really is. A real head turner.


GDS posted 10-17-2008 12:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for GDS  Send Email to GDS     
Anybody able to make a tow from Washington to Middle Tennessee?
GDS posted 10-17-2008 12:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for GDS  Send Email to GDS     
OOps.....make that Wisconsin to Tennessee!
bdb posted 10-17-2008 03:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
Gosh Jeff, you've got questions! This owner purchased the boat from the estate of a mutual friend whom we lost. That's why we know the boat so well. It was always professionally maintained and stored here at our yard. The deceased friend owned it about 20 years. The current owner bought it about a year and a half ago and had at it as a project. His original intent was to keep it, but his plans have changed. It has always been a freshwater boat, right here on Green Bay/Lake Michigan.
OutrageMan posted 10-19-2008 09:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan     
I'm really amazed this boat isn't sold yet!
bdb posted 10-22-2008 10:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb interest at all. Is something wrong?
arctic cruiser posted 10-22-2008 12:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for arctic cruiser  Send Email to arctic cruiser     
What about selling without the motor? I already have a 175 suzuki that I am considering moving onto another whaler hull. If owner is willing to sell without motor, what would be the price?

OutrageMan posted 10-22-2008 01:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan     
Why not discount what you feel the motor is worth and make an offer if you are serious.

That should tell you real quick if the deal can be done.


anthonylisske posted 10-22-2008 02:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for anthonylisske  Send Email to anthonylisske     
I just had to chime in. That boat looks great. Unbelievable gelcoat. You would have to spend 8K or so to get my old 72 whaler's gelcoat to look like that!

The right buyer will come along. Patience....

jay18 posted 10-22-2008 03:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for jay18  Send Email to jay18     
Bring over half of that 8K, and I will make your old gelcoat look even better!


Ritzyrags posted 10-22-2008 04:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Hello BDB,

I think that this unit is absolutely "Spanky"
I have paid a bit more for mine who was not nearly well kept as this one is.
But then again, I had under the boat a first rate Dual axel, galvanized trailer and the power being a late nineties fresh V6 unit with low hours.
All a balancing act really in regard to the three components involved.
I think that this boat will surely sell.I know that if you were next door, I would tender a hard bargain for the possession of such a beauty.
Let me see now should I harrangue the crowds about this unique opportunity or should I stay very quiet in order to keep the advantage to my own self here?
Too bad that shipping to me would cost about $1 a mile...

GDS posted 10-23-2008 07:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for GDS  Send Email to GDS     
841.76 miles, 14 hours and 18 minutes....hummmmmm.
bdb posted 10-23-2008 12:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
Thanks for your support everyone.
bdb posted 03-24-2009 11:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
Spring is teasing us in the north so I thought I would bring this back to everyone's attention. Great boat! It needs a good home.

Harpoon Harry sayin' that I'm just sayin' "buy this boat."

68 WhaleR posted 03-27-2009 08:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for 68 WhaleR  Send Email to 68 WhaleR     
bump for a sweet lookig boat.
kline posted 03-28-2009 05:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for kline  Send Email to kline     
Any idea of performance numbers with the 130? GPH?
Thanks, great looking rig!
bdb posted 03-29-2009 06:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
As noted above, I posted for a friend. The boat is in winter storage and I don't really recall the performance numbers. I seem to recall 40, or low 40s for top end. No idea on gph but these hulls are known for their easily-driven efficiency and the 130 Yamaha has a reputation for economy too.

Ritzyrags posted 03-29-2009 08:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
I think that I will be posting a few words in appreciation for a job well done.
I have looked at each and everyone of the photos describing this unit and have been keenly appreciative of all the work that has been put into this hull.
From my perspective;
This is one of the finest refurbished 21 that I had the pleasure of looking at.
I am curious as to the state of her decking surfaces and would like to hear of the owner going on and on about the efforts that have been put into her.
I would keenly enjoy to be recounted of the problems encountered and the solutions provided.
I have through time renewed several projects and will always be inclined to recognize a successful project when I see one.
This unit is a true reminder to us all;
That the Whaler Name and Excellence Is Timeless.
Is it at all possible that the powers that be;
May have forgotten that the boats that they have so lovingly crafted may not equate to a pair of Reebok with a rather short time of life expectancy?
With all due respect;
How do we bridge the gap?
Looking at such a fine example of everlasting value;
To the fact that our Whaler CO's will have a reasonable and justified need to sell new hulls in order to remain solvent.
I think that a new Thread is in order to the fact that it is our manifest duty to address these very real issues.
I have found myself to be deeply appreciative of the integrity and patience from the owner having made her look like a teenager again.

grizzly posted 03-29-2009 09:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for grizzly    
It is a nice looking boat.

Can you please describe the fuel system on this boat? I do not believe this vintage of Outrage models had an integral fuel tank. Is that correct?

Also, please explain the brown paper taped to the deck. Is that just for protection and is the non-skid underneath original and in good shape?

Thanks for the postings!

bdb posted 03-29-2009 10:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
The deck is in fine shape. The seller put a great deal of time into getting the non-skid super clean and covered it in paper to keep it from getting dirty while other work continued.

The fuel system is a 40 gallon belly tank. The first couple of years there was no built-in fuel system and external tanks were used.

To Ritzy: The boat did not require a great rebuild. It had been well cared for and just required a rejuvenation. Granted the rejuvenation took a long time a lot of labor, but there was nothing of a structural or serious restoration needed.

grizzly posted 03-29-2009 01:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for grizzly    
What is a "belly tank"?
bdb posted 03-29-2009 02:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
A tank housed within the hull, below the deck.
Ritzyrags posted 03-29-2009 04:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
So be it B,
I would like to hear of the renewing of the surfaces and of the TLC involved.
Let' hear of all that elbow grease involved here.
bdb posted 03-30-2009 09:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
Dear Mr. Rags,

Nothing really revolutionary here. All electrical was gutted and properly replaced with premium materials. Aged and inoperable electronics were replaced with newer functional units, all wood was sanded and refinished, all metal polished, minor holes from old equipment mounts and so on were repaired, vinyl coverings inside the hull were removed and a liquid bed-liner material was applied. The motor well rail which intruded into the cockpit was shortened which enable the installation of a well designed removable bench seat. All upholstery is new with new foam as needed. The bottom received an epoxy barrier coat and bottom paint (no, it's not hiding anything.) A pair of chocks were made to elevate the folded sun top off the bow deck when stored. A storage system for the custom enclosure was fabricated and installed under the bow deck. The gel coat recieved a common two-step buff. The console instrument panel was fashioned from King Starboard. New hardware and fasteners were installed as needed. Spring cleats were added. New batteries with switch and heavy cables were installed in the console. Generally all of these items are covered in the photos. There's all kinds of little stuff not covered in the the above. Total project time covered evenings and weekends during the winter, spring and summer of '07-'08. That's about all I kind provide in summary. Thanks for asking.

arctic cruiser posted 03-30-2009 11:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for arctic cruiser  Send Email to arctic cruiser     
any possibility that you could sell the boat without the motor? I have a new suzuki outboard that would fit perfectly for this.
bdb posted 03-30-2009 12:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
Right now I think it's best if we sell it as a package. Thanks
Ritzyrags posted 03-30-2009 03:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Well B;
This sounds like music to my ears;
I think that It is a premium example of what the model has to offer.
After the good description given about the unit;
I know that this special someone out there;
Having considered adopting this Classic 21 Outrage;
Will see that there is very little left to be done to take possession and make her his.
It is true that I had my eye on that one for a while as a prime example of the Banana Rama Fad.
I also have to address of my electrical and gauge renewals on my 19 Outrage.
And Peter;
I think that the motor should not be a factor in regard to the pristine shape of the model.
Got to renew power sooner than later anyway.
Thank you for posting B;
I have found this Outrage to be an inspiration to my refit.
florida1098 posted 03-30-2009 05:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for florida1098    
is boat still for sale ?
bdb posted 03-30-2009 06:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
Thank you Mr. Rags. I am really very surprised that this boat, at this price, is still available. It's only offered on this website and "the other one." Frankly, it's a shame.
68 WhaleR posted 03-31-2009 07:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for 68 WhaleR  Send Email to 68 WhaleR     
This should have sold the first day! What a wonderful looking boat!
Secretly I hope it does not sell as I should have the money for it later this summer! LOL! But it will be gone by then;(
bdb posted 03-31-2009 08:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
Thank you for the kind words Eric.
68 WhaleR posted 03-31-2009 09:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for 68 WhaleR  Send Email to 68 WhaleR     
You are welcome. After lurking on this site for awhile the vintage 21 outrage is my topchoice right now.
But first, I have to sell my tractor to buy a motor for my 66 vw panel bus to sell to buy a Outrage! That is the plan.
prj posted 03-31-2009 10:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
Tell you what, Erick. Sell me that Hafli and I'll meet you at the bottom of Indiana with that Outrage in tow.
68 WhaleR posted 03-31-2009 12:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for 68 WhaleR  Send Email to 68 WhaleR     
LOL! You have been looking at my website! That is a very special Haflinger. Might be the last one of it's kind! LOL! 5 door hard top long wheel base, kind of the suburban of haflingers LOL! If you are serious, boat plus cash and we can talk. Really don't want to sell it but that is very very tempting especially for this outrage!
montaukman posted 04-01-2009 09:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for montaukman  Send Email to montaukman     

You have mail.



bdb posted 04-01-2009 11:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
Thank you Alan; I have responded.
68 WhaleR posted 04-03-2009 08:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for 68 WhaleR  Send Email to 68 WhaleR     
bump for a nice boat again. I am still trying to comeup with the money but it will be gone before I can get it.
bdb posted 04-08-2009 01:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
Is this lovely boat just going to languish again?
Ritzyrags posted 04-08-2009 05:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Just like a very pretty girl at the dancing hall awaiting for someone to invite her to dance.
May I suggest to reduce her a small bit to promote some interest?
bdb posted 04-08-2009 06:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
Gosh Mr. Rags,

It's $11,500.00 "asking." No one has really responded with any concrete interest. It is a pristine example of a rare breed that needs nothing. Reduce it to what? It's very fairly priced. What similar can possibly be purchased at this price. Or more to the point, what could someone buy for this price that is remotely similar? And how often does/will something like this become available?

To all of you I ask: Wherein lies the problem?

I would be curious to know how many "views" this boat has had.

L H G posted 04-08-2009 08:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
Well, Brian, since you asked!!

First of all, since this is not your boat, I know you will take the comments from this "super-perfectionist" classic Whaler fan as constructive. I also realize there are only a few here who would agree with me, but a majority who would not.

To begin, as is, I think the boat is, as you suggest, a bargain, particularly because of the original gelcoat is in excellent condition. Boats like this are hard to find. If I wasn't up to eyeballs in Whalers, including my ribside 21, I would buy it as project to bring it back to classic original, yacht quality condition, then re-sell it. But I might have to buy it cheaper for that purpose as you will see.

Secondly, I think that many of the people here, and on Whaler Central, really are looking to own a boat like this, but in this economy are simply holding out for the super-bargain that Ritzy is implying, figuring they would have to improve the boat as I would want to do. Here is what I think is wrong with it, and what I would do to it:

1. BOTTOM PAINT. AS nice as that job is, I would want it removed, period, as I think it destroys value for someone who wants a show piece classic. What would YachtWorks charge to soda-blast it, wet sand and bring it back? Probably a lot. I assume the bottom gelcoat is all original underneath the paint. If that epoxy barrier coat couldn't be removed, that alone would be a deal killer for someone who wants a clean bottom like me. So a buyer might have to spend a lot of money to cure that problem. In the Great lakes region, paint is not used as much as it is on the Coasts, and buyers looking for a "trailer classic" don't want it.

2. The white starboard "stuff" added to the boat hurts it's value, as it's not original and looks homemade. Rod racks and those funny fittings on the bow deck for the canvas stand out. Holes to be filled, etc cost money.

3. The aftermarket white upholstery is not original, and many would want to replace it, and hurts the boat's classic appeal. A new pilot seat from Halls is needed for the RPS, and the stern seat would be a toss, or a resale to someone who doesn't care. If I wanted a stern seat, it would be the Whaler tan pleat original curved design. Are the original teak hatch covers still in place under the seat?

4. A small detail, but the oversize Whaler logo is not right, and needs to be redone correctly.

5. The console and instrument panel looks great on the exterior, but that battery installion, TO ME, is a disaster.
I hate batteries in consoles of these old boats, and would clean out that mess and re-wire as needed. The battery is supposed to be in the starboard stern, under the seat, with the oil tank, or second battery if 4-stroke is installed, under the port side. So I'm looking at the expense of re-doing some of the electrical and getting rid of that heavy and unneeded cabling.

6. I'm sure the engine is fine, but that squat looking Yamaha 130 just looks bad on the boat, a purely personal, visual, opinion. I do know it's a great little motor, but I would have to get rid of it. I'd want 150HP on her, even if it was Yamaha!

7. I hope you'll forginve me for this one, but that trailer is an absolute piece of junk for a nice boat like this. It also is way too small and short for the boat. So a buyer like me would be looking to toss that one, and buy a new Continental galvanized poly keel roller model, with single axle disc brakes, for about $2500. More expense, but needed for any thype of trailering distance at all.

8. Even though the sun top is Mills, the aftermarket canvas curtains don't look right, including the blue color which not used on these boats. Dick Fisher would not approve. So I would sell off the Suntop and curtains to a non-perfectionist, and be in touch with Mills for a Toast Sunbrella Flying top set for the boat. Another $2500 at least, and more snaps and fittings to remove, and holes to fill. It also appears the boat does not have a mooring cover, so add on another 1K for a Mills cover.

So, it would be easy for me to drop another 12K on this boat. If it was a boat I would keep, I think it's worth every penny equipped as I described and bought at your price, but few buyers would do this, or feel this way today. And as I said before, if that epoxy barrier coat can't be removed, many buyers like me are automatically out right at the start.

I think any of these could be a single, or multiple problem for a Mid-west buyer, or any classic perfectionist here. I'll be anxious to hear what others think. And at least all this discussion is keeping this nice boat on the top, always being seen. Many other sellers would want to be this lucky. You are, after all, Brian, a first class salesman! Hope you find a buyer soon.

Ritzyrags posted 04-09-2009 12:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Well Of course B...
No argument will reside with me here;
As I already have made my positive comments about the shape if your friend's 21 Outrage Classic 1978..
My Point Being that;
To reduce her a bit as in a few dollars may be all that it takes to trigger the interest to possess her.
Times are at odd with ANY type of purchases lately.
The car lots have all returned to balloons tied to all the vehicles on the lots as NO ONE IS BUYING lately.
Boats have had a similar run.
But do not despair;
I am very positive about people looking for such a unit.
It just may be that the connection has not been made yet.
HAPPYJIM posted 04-09-2009 01:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
She sure is a pretty boat but I think it may be a little high priced.

The trailer does look beat and without brakes it would not be safe to tow it on highways unless the tow vehicle was a one ton dully.

I'm sure the motor is low hours with it being a northern boat but it still a 20+ year old motor.

If he is not in a bind to sell it, do the waiting game and use the boat until it sells. On the other hand, if it needs to go the price is going to be a big factor.

Ritzyrags posted 04-10-2009 05:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Sending a Ping to Mr B about this very well kept and pretty 21 Outrage Classic 1978.
And about the way she presently looks;
I personally like the overall shape and presence of this unit.
If someone else wants to make her into a faithful image of what she was when freshly coming out of the Whaler plant well let them buy her and refit her to their standards.
A real and serious benevolent intent would be well shown with an offer.
I have a feeling that a lot of guys are looking at your Outrage and hoping to buy her if the numbers would be right.
One more Ping..
Hoosier posted 04-10-2009 07:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Larry, aren't you selling a trailer that would be real nice for this boat?
L H G posted 04-10-2009 07:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
Dave, I thought about that, but since mine was under a 19 Outrage, which in reality is only about 1'-4" shorter than a 21 at the transom, I'm not sure it would be long enough. But I am going to do a check on that, since it's sitting right next to my ribside right now.
newt posted 04-11-2009 07:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
bdb - In my opinion, trying to sell a Whaler by listing it only on this site and another forum is a loosing proposition. It's all about exposure, and they need to get the word out by listing on Craigslist, local rags, and absolutely every other free internet site possible.

I have sold two Whalers in the recent past, and neither of them sold through ads on forums. Get the word out!

bdb posted 05-25-2009 08:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for bdb  Send Email to bdb     
SOLD. To a wonderful couple giving it the perfect home.
Ritzyrags posted 05-26-2009 12:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Congratulation on your sale.

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