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Michael L posted 11-13-2008 08:19 AM ET (US)   Profile for Michael L   Send Email to Michael L  
In the Northeast, most of the pleasure boats, mine included, have been put away for the winter and thoughts of next year’s adventures are already taking shape. I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that I need to downsize. And very late in life I have developed “Whaler Envy”. In a normal year, I would sell my boat and buy another smaller boat. But, with this economy, it is anything but a normal year. I know there may be boaters who want to move up a bit in size and that may also prove to be difficult this year.

So, in the hope of using this forum to find the broadest number of Whaler owners, I’d like to propose swapping (even) my boat for a 170 MONTAUK.

I hope my offer is compelling, but you won’t know until you take a look:

At the very least, it will offer some new discussion grist for the forum members. And it’s something to think about in front of the fireplace.


Tohsgib posted 11-13-2008 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Are you nuts Mike? Drop a Yanmar in that puppy and keep it forever. I might have to find a sweet 170 so I can trade you ;)
mrmatt posted 11-13-2008 01:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for mrmatt  Send Email to mrmatt     
You've got mail.
Michael L posted 11-13-2008 02:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Michael L  Send Email to Michael L     
I had lots of discussions about a diesel engine in the boat. But "she who must be obeyed" hates the smell of diesel fuel. I do think a diesel is overkill in most recreational boats. It's not the engine blocks that go bad after a number of years but rather the hang-on parts (pumps, pulleys, alternators, heat exchangers, hoses). IMHO


pglein posted 11-13-2008 05:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
I like your boat, and don't mean to come in here to criticize or disagree with you, but I have to say, I have a very different opinion of diesel engines in recreational vessels than you.

The wife not liking the smell of diesel is a piss-poor reason for choosing gas. I'm sure there are other reasons, but that better not be the deciding one. First off, it's pretty rare that you would actually SMELL diesel fuel, unless you have some sort of fuel leak. In the event that, for some reason, you did regularly smell the fumes, I would submit to you that the health risks of inhaling the equally-nasally-offensive gasoline fumes far outweight any distaste for the odor of diesel.

And is your wife aware of the significant safety disparity between the two fuels? Gasoline is highly explosive. Diesel is not. Heck, throw a burning match down the deckpipe of a diesel tank and it won't even ignite the fuel. That alone is reason enough to want diesel power.

When it comes to performance, in most cases, a diesel engine, with it's high torque, is much more suited to the marine application. I will concede that on smaller boats, the extra weight of a diesel block often makes it impractical, but for larger boats, it's no-brainer. Diesels perform better.

And lastly, my experience has been that comparably sized diesels are far less expensive to maintain, particularly in a marine environment. There are no plugs to foul or corrode, no carburetors to clog, no plug wires that need replacement every few years. And even if you ignore all of that, you will generally find that marine diesels are specifically designed for the marine environment, rather than adapted from an automotive design. They tend to incorporate features that make them better suited to marine applications, like starters that are placed on the top of the engine, rather than the bottom, corrosion resistant heat exchangers rather than raw water cooling, and exhaust ports that are oriented up, rather than down, to encourage proper flow into marine style manifolds.

I don't mean to trash your opinion, and definitely not your boat (which I really think is beautiful). But you said you wanted to "offer some new discussion grist", so I figured I'd bite.

pglein posted 11-13-2008 05:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
I guess I should add that I am very aware of the price disparity between gasoline and diesel, and I don't mean to discount that. And you can debate whether or not the diesel engine is worth the extra cost. But if the cost was the same, in the vast majority of cases, a buyer would be a fool to choose gas over diesel.

And I often think that peoples' fears surrounding maintaining diesel engines stems from a lack of understanding or experience working on and around them. When my dad bought his first diesel-powered boat, I think he was pretty apprehensive. He wasn't really sure what he was in for. But he, just like everyone I've known who's made the same leap, has become 100% convinced. He'll never buy another gas boat, period.

Personally, I own two gas and one diesel. But that's only because you can't get a Whaler with diesel power.

Michael L posted 11-13-2008 07:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Michael L  Send Email to Michael L     
Thanks for the input. And I agree with most of what you said. Aside from my wife's nose, there was a significant cost difference to repower with a diesel. Based on my usage pattern, it would have never been justified. I have friends who run diesels and friends who run gas. Each seems happy with that individual decision. And the Mercruiser has never had a hesitation.
fisherman posted 11-13-2008 08:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for fisherman  Send Email to fisherman     
You sure have done a super job in displaying Cavu,on your website. I'm impressed.
If, my boathouse were larger and you resided closer, I would seriously consider taking you up on the deal, but I think you would have to throw in a few dollars.
You should have no trouble selling that beauty.
kwik_wurk posted 11-13-2008 08:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for kwik_wurk  Send Email to kwik_wurk     
You should be able to get 2 Montauks, a Montauk 17 and Montauk 170!

And get a bio-diesel and the complaints will go away.

Nice ride, keel drives are very rare out where I live.

george nagy posted 11-14-2008 10:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
Wow! What a great boat! What are the accomodations down below? I have my sights set on craft like this some day!
Michael L posted 11-14-2008 12:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Michael L  Send Email to Michael L     
Thanks, George.
The Downeast lines and the flag blue hull really do turn heads.

The cabin has just a V-berth with a porti-potti enclosure under the center cushion. It has a couple of reading lights and that's about all. I had a boat with a small galley one time and it never got used. Better to have more room for fishing rods and gear.


devildog posted 11-18-2008 06:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for devildog  Send Email to devildog     
I wish I had a 170.

Good luck on your proposal. I think it's a great idea.

andygere posted 11-18-2008 07:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
As an old Cape Cod guy, I've always loved those Nauset 25s. What a beautiful boat, and a fantastic deal to somebody looking to move up. It looks like it has been beautifully maintained. Best of luck with your pursuit of a Montauk.
Feejer posted 11-19-2008 07:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Nice web site (don't you just love Macs). Great looking boat. If I could talk my wife into it I'd trade my 2005 170 in a heartbeat.
Feejer posted 11-19-2008 08:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
List her here for sale

Michael L posted 11-20-2008 09:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for Michael L  Send Email to Michael L     
Thank you all for your support. There are several people interested in making the trade. But, since the first snows have fallen in New England and every boat is wrapped up, nothing much is going to officially take place until the spring.

I will spread the word around after the holidays on Craigslist and THT. I have lurked on THT for a while and find a lot of the information is about boats like "42ft Yellowfin w/ Quad 350's" or whether my 60 foot Bertram needs another 50 inch plasma TV in the guest suite. And then there is the unbelievable bickering about who has the fastest, best or newest rig or how stupid someone was for buying the fastest, best or newest rig. Don't get me started on the size of the avatars. Way too much testosterone for me!

CW offers a much more civilized and gentlemanly (not p.c. correct) approach to sharing information about a great boat brand. Jim's active management of the forum keeps the tone informative and enjoyable.

And the size of the boat just doesn't seem to matter. They are all Whalers.


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