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jimhillpa posted 01-14-2009 11:52 AM ET (US)   Profile for jimhillpa   Send Email to jimhillpa  
We are searching for our first whaler and are going to take a look at a 1996 outrage with a 115 mercury engine and a 1996 loadrite trailer. The boat looks near perfect in the pictures. The dealer is asking $11,250. Any idea what we should offer if we like it?
Tohsgib posted 01-14-2009 12:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
phatwhaler posted 01-14-2009 12:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
At first glance $11,250 seems like a reasonable asking price from a dealer. However it's hard to say these days what is and isn't a good deal. Everything is getting cheaper each day. I would go in with a real low ball offer say around $8,000. I figure the trailer is worth maybe $800, the engine $2000, and the hull $5200.

It's really hard to say without knowing the condition. I think a mint Whaler that is turn key will still bring some pretty good money.

FYI, the 115 Merc is a perfect motor for that boat. Those hulls are rated for a 150 however they tend to porpoise pretty bad with V6 on the back.

Cash is king right now and there are many dealers that will let a boat go real cheap to keep the lights on.

jimhillpa posted 01-14-2009 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimhillpa  Send Email to jimhillpa     
Thanks. We'll take your advice on the low-ball offer. After all, we're looking at the boat this Friday when it's expected to be about 12 degrees - the boatyard should be mobbed.
Even $8k hurts a bit, considering the one that got away this summer: a mint condition 1988 Montauk 17' for $4,500. And it was across the street! A young gal had gotten first dibs on it, and the honorable seller refused our higher offer.
phatwhaler posted 01-14-2009 05:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
I like the guy with integrity. I once made a hand shake deal to buy a mint 17 supersport. I looked at the boat in the dark on a Friday night and told the guy I would be back in the morning with cash. The next morning I pulled up and some dude was hitching it up to the back of his Grand Wagoneer. The seller told me the other guy offered him 500 more bucks. I felt like throwing a rock through his front window.
Casco Bay Outrage posted 01-14-2009 06:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Casco Bay Outrage  Send Email to Casco Bay Outrage     
The Outrage 17 II (1996-1999) is a great boat. Please note the candidate boat you refer to has the minimum recommended horsepower per Boston Whaler.

If you plan to have several people and gear with a full tank of gas, you may be disappointed with it's performance.

On Boattrader, I think I see your candidate. Did you see this candidate? A bit of a ride south but one year younger with a 2007 Mercury Optimax 150 with 10 hrs for the same list price? That looks pretty decent to me.

Hope this helps.

(I drove from Maine to Norfolk, VA for my boat)

Arcturus posted 01-14-2009 08:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Arcturus  Send Email to Arcturus     
The minimum HP rating for the 17' Outrage II is 90 hp. This in the specifications in the 1999 Whaler catalog.
phatwhaler posted 01-14-2009 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
A bottle of rust stain remover would make that boat much more marketable. Amazing.
Tohsgib posted 01-15-2009 12:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Hell...[vulgar language deleted] on it! Then offer $5k
jimhillpa posted 01-15-2009 10:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimhillpa  Send Email to jimhillpa     
Phatwhaler's valuation above seems in line with NADA estimates the average retail of the hull at $5,100; the motor, $1,590; and the trailer, $490. For a total of $7,180 - far below the dealer's asking price.
How accurate is NADA? Is it regarded well enough to be a bargaining chip?
Newtauk1 posted 01-15-2009 11:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1    
How accurate is NADA? Is it regarded well enough to be a bargaining chip?

I do not see how NADA can help. It is not accurate for boats. Look at the $7,180 mentioned here and try to find the majority of Whalers that can be bought for that price.

phatwhaler posted 01-15-2009 11:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
NADA exists to help dealers shaft you on your trade. We all know that.
Newtauk1 posted 01-15-2009 06:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1    
I would put that boat at 12,500 here in the Northeast. It is a terrific upgrade from a Montauk. Good like and I hope you find the boat you desire.
Royboy posted 01-16-2009 10:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
I have an Outrage 17 II and the 115 seems to be a very popular engine on these, although mine (a 1999) has a 135 Opti, which is plenty of power under all conditions. However, I've talked to several owners with the 115 and they have all said it's plenty of power. Either way, the boat is not really comparable to a Montauk; it's quite a bit more boat.


68 WhaleR posted 01-17-2009 01:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for 68 WhaleR  Send Email to 68 WhaleR     
what kind of towing weigth are these 17 ft outrages?
whaler3 posted 01-20-2009 10:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for whaler3  Send Email to whaler3     
Just a confirmation on the 17 outrage. Have a 97 with 130 Yamie with T-top. It has just right power and will porpus if you trim it too high but is a better ride then the mauntauk. I love the boat. Just right.
gfrutig1 posted 01-20-2009 11:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for gfrutig1  Send Email to gfrutig1     
Jim, good luck on your shopping. If your shopping at Long Level don't expect to steal the boat, good deals can be had but they are a Whaler dealer and won't give anything away. I boat below Holtwood most of the year, good luck shopping and if your in my area let me know. Where do you boat?

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