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Noble posted 02-13-2009 06:30 PM ET (US)
I'm selling my 22’ Boston Whaler Guardian Dive Master. This boat is built like a tank. It comes from Boston Whalers Commercial division. It formerly was a U.S. Navy boat used for military purposes. Guardians are the same hull as an Outrage but have a thicker/stronger fiberglass hull.
I bought this boat to be a project boat but my wife says it has to go as I still haven’t finished my 25’ Outrage.
Even though the military put their boats to the test, the main reason I bought this boat was because of its relative good shape. It has the typical dings on the front corners on both sides and the back corners as well. There are various dings and scratches throughout the boat as would be expected. The worst damage is up on the top of the bow where there is a 7” crack. Nothing major though, nothing a little fiberglass, putty and gel coat couldn’t fix.
Here are a few features:
The center console is all aluminum and has aluminum floor plates attached to it.
Aluminum gunnels
Aluminum transom guard with self bailing flaps
Removable aluminum dive door.
This is a project boat. The Console will need to be taken out and re-painted. It is missing the front hatch cover so one will need to be fabricated or bought aftermarket. The main deck should probably be removed and cleaned accordingly underneath. (I did that with my outrage, not that big of a deal plus its easier to run new wires, etc). The gas tank looks to be in good shape but will need to be drained as I I’m sure there is water mixed with gas in there. I don’t know how much is in there. I had to do that with my Outrage as well, again not a big deal. Basic glass work will need to be done and a good buff and wax will do wonders for this boat. After that pick your poison as far as a new outboard(s) go. There are some really cheap Suzuki’s out there right now. I put a 300 Suzuki on the back of my outrage and it has worked out awesome.
The trailer is in ok shape. The brakes do not work but other than that its solid. There would need to be a little bit adjusting to the trailer to get the Guardian to fit perfectly. The tires on the trailer are just under a year old and have less than 300 miles on them. Lights work.
See this link for some photos:
http://www.bloodydecks.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/12175/cat/4
I have more photos I can email, just let me know. The boat is located in San Diego, CA.
Price: $3800 or best offer.
Call or message me with any questions.
John
619-548-0690

Dave Sutton posted 02-13-2009 07:00 PM ET (US)
How come you're not in Rhode Island? Damn! That's a cool boat. I'd love to have it to run a 6 pack dive boat with here.
Does anyone know what power (twins) the navy used on these?

Dave
.
mbear posted 02-14-2009 12:26 AM ET (US)
mine came with twin 115's but i'd seriously consider a single etech (not to start anything) :)
towboater posted 02-14-2009 02:51 AM ET (US)
Wish I still had my Divemaster, that is another story.
The dive door on Noble's boat looks like it seals pretty good, this is a rare find at that price. The door width is important. I think Divemaster doors are 60", Sentry doors are 48 ish. I had plans to use this door to take Handicap persons in wheelchairs fishing, less work hauling in crab pots and monster sturgeon and salmon and half naked gals dangling their feet in the water, easy boarding a waverunner alongside. Great boat, lots of fun.
Because of this wide door opening, the Divemaster gunwhales are EXTRA HD. I wouldnt be suprised if all of the dive door boats dont get a little more mat than other CPD boats...they ARE built tough.
Divemaster sales and purchase conversation should include impregnated foam. Divemaster decks are meant to get wet.
Note the spill dams have scuppers that drain into the transom well. While it is true there are many CW topics to prove BW foam will soak up water, there are just as many who say it is a very small amount that does not affect performance. Toss a coin.
Im sayin, if you are gonna take on a Divemaster project, you should expect some wet foam. IMO, no prob. go for it, enjoy that door.
good luck.
mk

elaelap posted 02-14-2009 10:30 AM ET (US)
http://www.bloodydecks.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/12175/ cat/4
Noble posted 02-14-2009 11:13 AM ET (US)
From what Towboater just said, I guess its not a Dive Master. I measured the opening at the top of the door and its 34" Does that make it a Sentry?
Lots of interest in the boat so far but everyone seems to be on the wrong coast or wrong end of the coast.
Jeff posted 02-14-2009 11:50 AM ET (US)
No, you have a Guardian / Divemaster. I believe the forward mounted console denotes the a Divemaster. In all of the catalogs the Guardians are shown with a 34" door and an 60" door. It both were options an the buyer got to choose. A sentry look much more like a revenge.
Here is an I/O Sentry Model
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/017242.html
Jeff posted 02-14-2009 12:13 PM ET (US)
I went into the old catalogs on Tom's CD set and found the listing in the 1985 Commercial Catalog.
Option# 5G-9096-00 Hull Cut-Outs $1540
Areas of the hull side cut down to reduce freeboard, permitting easier boarding or for work over the side. Up to 60" long and any height from the gunwale down to the cockpit floor. All edges radiused to prevent injury. Gunwale boards cut out and capped to suit. Sized per owners requirements. Double price for cut outs on both sides. For 18' to 25' boats.
towboater posted 02-14-2009 01:31 PM ET (US)
30" dive door on a San Diego boat (home of Navy Seals training)? ...ok, thanks...most are 60. This may make your setup even harder to find. The 30 inch door would be easier to stow and lighter.
Does your boat have lifting eyes Noble?
If it does, I dont know if a tougher glass hull was ever produced in the 80's.
My 89 burned in the shop before I was able to get it wet.
The boat got so hot the alum console & gunwale caps melted and drained out into beautiful shinny puddles. I can tell you they are HIGH GRADE pure aluminum. Portions of the alum trailer melted. Twin merc 150s, seastar hydraulic system were ready to connect. Sigh. Ok, a moment in silence, thanks.
I was able to remove the lifting eyes without tools. You cannot believe how much mat is used to beef these eyes up.
After all that, I took the hull to the dump on the back of a flatbed trailer. The huge roller crusher drug it off the trailer and commenced to TRY to crush it right away.
Im not kidding, I took pictures, he did not flatten that boat the first try! I could not believe it. His machine would flatten a brand new Bayliner was was not burned in a heartbeat. But, he did win the war. After he left I started inspecting the foam.
damn, this is turning into a manuscript. sorry.
My experiences with photoshop have turned into a half day affair at times.
Rest assured the 89 divemaster foam did not soak up water like a sponge but, water can get to it and surround it. The glass on the inside is no less water resistant than the glass on the outside, the foam is poured into cavities like marbled cakes.
If the potential buyer cant afford $3.5k for this boat, they cant afford to restore it anyway. The problem with restoration projects isnt the value of the hull, it is the cost of new engines. Its getting to the point, if a guy can afford new engines, he can probably afford to buy the whole package. But, there is only one Divemaster hull made.
The ONLY downside to the 22 ft hulls is the narrow beam (7.5 ft). Id bet if the same hull was stretched to 8.5 it would be the most popular hull ever made. 7.5 beam serves Military specs for seaworthiness, 8.5 would better serve the masses. Still, Im tempted to scrap my 18 ft Guardian project and move those assets to your boat just because it has a dive door. Nahh, sorry, I'll check back AFTER Ive finished rebuilding my shop.
thanks for letting me ramble on the your thread Noble, hope Ive helped you and potential buyers. good luck.

elaelap posted 02-14-2009 01:40 PM ET (US)
"Had we but world enough, and time..."
Man oh man. The price is right and she's just a long one day's tow away from my home. Retro, diablo.
Tony
Here's the whole poem:
TO HIS COY MISTRESS
by Andrew Marvell
Had we but world enough, and time,
This coyness, lady, were no crime.
We would sit down and think which way
To walk, and pass our long love's day;
Thou by the Indian Ganges' side
Shouldst rubies find; I by the tide
Of Humber would complain. I would
Love you ten years before the Flood;
And you should, if you please, refuse
Till the conversion of the Jews.
My vegetable love should grow
Vaster than empires, and more slow.
An hundred years should go to praise
Thine eyes, and on thy forehead gaze;
Two hundred to adore each breast,
But thirty thousand to the rest;
An age at least to every part,
And the last age should show your heart.
For, lady, you deserve this state,
Nor would I love at lower rate.
But at my back I always hear
Time's winged chariot hurrying near;
And yonder all before us lie
Deserts of vast eternity.
Thy beauty shall no more be found,
Nor, in thy marble vault, shall sound
My echoing song; then worms shall try
That long preserv'd virginity,
And your quaint honour turn to dust,
And into ashes all my lust.
The grave's a fine and private place,
But none I think do there embrace.
Now therefore, while the youthful hue
Sits on thy skin like morning dew,
And while thy willing soul transpires
At every pore with instant fires,
Now let us sport us while we may;
And now, like am'rous birds of prey,
Rather at once our time devour,
Than languish in his slow-chapp'd power.
Let us roll all our strength, and all
Our sweetness, up into one ball;
And tear our pleasures with rough strife
Thorough the iron gates of life.
Thus, though we cannot make our sun
Stand still, yet we will make him run.

starlight marine posted 02-14-2009 02:48 PM ET (US)
Why can't this be on the east coast ?? I know i shouldn't take on another project with the new baby but DANG IT ! Anyone have no's to get it to Fla.? Thank, drueling here, Capt. T
Noble posted 02-14-2009 04:42 PM ET (US)
Towboater: yes it has the four lifting eyes. Is it tempting you more....Got lots of pics. Let me know if you want me to email them to you.
RLwhaler posted 02-14-2009 05:36 PM ET (US)
Geezz,what a sweett deal.C'mon Tony,just put me outta my misery and go pick up that boat!:)
RL
elaelap posted 02-14-2009 07:28 PM ET (US)
Convince my wife, RL, and I'll drive down to San Diego tomorrow and tow her home. It would mean tearing down a fence and storing the old beauty in one of her flower beds for the many months (years?) it would take for me to get her presentable, and more importantly to save up enough money to power her as she deserves. On the other hand, from that same Andrew Marvell poem written 450 years ago,
"...at my back I always hear
Time's winged chariot hurrying near;
And yonder all before us lie
Deserts of vast eternity..."
...and I wonder, if not now, when?
Tony
Heh, heh...that's why they call that a carpe diem verse, I guess.
Noble posted 02-14-2009 07:33 PM ET (US)
Tony,
Bring your wife down with you. Sell it to her as a romantic vacation to San Diego. Your just picking up a boat on the side....
elaelap posted 02-14-2009 07:36 PM ET (US)
Mike/towboater--
If you decide to do the deed, you're welcome to overnight coming and going at my home just about exactly halfway down and back from your place to San Diego. We're maybe six easy minutes off Highway 101. There's room in my driveway for the boat and trailer; the question would be whether I'd kill you in your sleep and bury you in my wife's flower bed ;-)
Tony
RLwhaler posted 02-14-2009 09:17 PM ET (US)
Way to go Tony!I have exhausted my negotiating chips with "the admiral".Next time i'am hiring a profesional legal team like yourself.:)keep us posted will ya?
Best,
Richard
towboater posted 02-15-2009 02:50 PM ET (US)
Thx Tuco, Im sure we are going to get together one of these days. Cabo Mar 23 - Apr 2, never been there.
My to-do list is too long to consider adding another (see poem).
thx
mk
Noble posted 02-22-2009 04:32 PM ET (US)
Boat is sold.
Well, I just watched her drive up the road attached to someone elses truck....sad to see her go but it looks like she will have a good home in Northern Cal. Went to someone on this board. He can chime in if he wants.
John
placerville posted 02-22-2009 09:18 PM ET (US)
I confess. It was me. It's an addiction.
Matt
DeeVee posted 02-22-2009 09:33 PM ET (US)
Matt,
You are going to have fun with that one. Keep us in the loop with lots of pictures.
Doug
starlight marine posted 02-23-2009 08:53 AM ET (US)
Congrats, Heck of a boat at "heck" of a deal ! Love to see pics of the refit if possible when it happens,T
Jeff posted 02-23-2009 10:16 AM ET (US)
Matt,
I think we all share your sickness. This one looks like a great replacement to the one you sold a while ago. Good luck with it.
elaelap posted 02-23-2009 11:03 AM ET (US)
WAY TO GO, PARTNER! I got the emailed photo labeled "Pure Sex" of you standing in front of her down in San Diego. Now the 'Strike3' partnership has some decisions to make, eh?
Tony
towboater posted 02-24-2009 03:37 AM ET (US)
I lasted about a month after my 22 burned.
Then 17 ft OR was TOO nice.
Now 18 ft Guardian is just right.
Now you get to mull the power debacle.
Congrats Matt, how you have more time this go-around.
mk

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Author	Topic: BW 22' Guardian Dive Master Project Boat
Noble	posted 02-13-2009 06:30 PM ET (US) I'm selling my 22’ Boston Whaler Guardian Dive Master. This boat is built like a tank. It comes from Boston Whalers Commercial division. It formerly was a U.S. Navy boat used for military purposes. Guardians are the same hull as an Outrage but have a thicker/stronger fiberglass hull. I bought this boat to be a project boat but my wife says it has to go as I still haven’t finished my 25’ Outrage. Even though the military put their boats to the test, the main reason I bought this boat was because of its relative good shape. It has the typical dings on the front corners on both sides and the back corners as well. There are various dings and scratches throughout the boat as would be expected. The worst damage is up on the top of the bow where there is a 7” crack. Nothing major though, nothing a little fiberglass, putty and gel coat couldn’t fix. Here are a few features: The center console is all aluminum and has aluminum floor plates attached to it. Aluminum gunnels Aluminum transom guard with self bailing flaps Removable aluminum dive door. This is a project boat. The Console will need to be taken out and re-painted. It is missing the front hatch cover so one will need to be fabricated or bought aftermarket. The main deck should probably be removed and cleaned accordingly underneath. (I did that with my outrage, not that big of a deal plus its easier to run new wires, etc). The gas tank looks to be in good shape but will need to be drained as I I’m sure there is water mixed with gas in there. I don’t know how much is in there. I had to do that with my Outrage as well, again not a big deal. Basic glass work will need to be done and a good buff and wax will do wonders for this boat. After that pick your poison as far as a new outboard(s) go. There are some really cheap Suzuki’s out there right now. I put a 300 Suzuki on the back of my outrage and it has worked out awesome. The trailer is in ok shape. The brakes do not work but other than that its solid. There would need to be a little bit adjusting to the trailer to get the Guardian to fit perfectly. The tires on the trailer are just under a year old and have less than 300 miles on them. Lights work. See this link for some photos: http://www.bloodydecks.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/12175/cat/4 I have more photos I can email, just let me know. The boat is located in San Diego, CA. Price: $3800 or best offer. Call or message me with any questions. John 619-548-0690
Dave Sutton	posted 02-13-2009 07:00 PM ET (US) How come you're not in Rhode Island? Damn! That's a cool boat. I'd love to have it to run a 6 pack dive boat with here. Does anyone know what power (twins) the navy used on these? Dave .
mbear	posted 02-14-2009 12:26 AM ET (US) mine came with twin 115's but i'd seriously consider a single etech (not to start anything) :)
towboater	posted 02-14-2009 02:51 AM ET (US) Wish I still had my Divemaster, that is another story. The dive door on Noble's boat looks like it seals pretty good, this is a rare find at that price. The door width is important. I think Divemaster doors are 60", Sentry doors are 48 ish. I had plans to use this door to take Handicap persons in wheelchairs fishing, less work hauling in crab pots and monster sturgeon and salmon and half naked gals dangling their feet in the water, easy boarding a waverunner alongside. Great boat, lots of fun. Because of this wide door opening, the Divemaster gunwhales are EXTRA HD. I wouldnt be suprised if all of the dive door boats dont get a little more mat than other CPD boats...they ARE built tough. Divemaster sales and purchase conversation should include impregnated foam. Divemaster decks are meant to get wet. Note the spill dams have scuppers that drain into the transom well. While it is true there are many CW topics to prove BW foam will soak up water, there are just as many who say it is a very small amount that does not affect performance. Toss a coin. Im sayin, if you are gonna take on a Divemaster project, you should expect some wet foam. IMO, no prob. go for it, enjoy that door. good luck. mk
elaelap	posted 02-14-2009 10:30 AM ET (US) http://www.bloodydecks.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/12175/ cat/4
Noble	posted 02-14-2009 11:13 AM ET (US) From what Towboater just said, I guess its not a Dive Master. I measured the opening at the top of the door and its 34" Does that make it a Sentry? Lots of interest in the boat so far but everyone seems to be on the wrong coast or wrong end of the coast.
Jeff	posted 02-14-2009 11:50 AM ET (US) No, you have a Guardian / Divemaster. I believe the forward mounted console denotes the a Divemaster. In all of the catalogs the Guardians are shown with a 34" door and an 60" door. It both were options an the buyer got to choose. A sentry look much more like a revenge. Here is an I/O Sentry Model http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/017242.html
Jeff	posted 02-14-2009 12:13 PM ET (US) I went into the old catalogs on Tom's CD set and found the listing in the 1985 Commercial Catalog. Option# 5G-9096-00 Hull Cut-Outs $1540 Areas of the hull side cut down to reduce freeboard, permitting easier boarding or for work over the side. Up to 60" long and any height from the gunwale down to the cockpit floor. All edges radiused to prevent injury. Gunwale boards cut out and capped to suit. Sized per owners requirements. Double price for cut outs on both sides. For 18' to 25' boats.
towboater	posted 02-14-2009 01:31 PM ET (US) 30" dive door on a San Diego boat (home of Navy Seals training)? ...ok, thanks...most are 60. This may make your setup even harder to find. The 30 inch door would be easier to stow and lighter. Does your boat have lifting eyes Noble? If it does, I dont know if a tougher glass hull was ever produced in the 80's. My 89 burned in the shop before I was able to get it wet. The boat got so hot the alum console & gunwale caps melted and drained out into beautiful shinny puddles. I can tell you they are HIGH GRADE pure aluminum. Portions of the alum trailer melted. Twin merc 150s, seastar hydraulic system were ready to connect. Sigh. Ok, a moment in silence, thanks. I was able to remove the lifting eyes without tools. You cannot believe how much mat is used to beef these eyes up. After all that, I took the hull to the dump on the back of a flatbed trailer. The huge roller crusher drug it off the trailer and commenced to TRY to crush it right away. Im not kidding, I took pictures, he did not flatten that boat the first try! I could not believe it. His machine would flatten a brand new Bayliner was was not burned in a heartbeat. But, he did win the war. After he left I started inspecting the foam. damn, this is turning into a manuscript. sorry. My experiences with photoshop have turned into a half day affair at times. Rest assured the 89 divemaster foam did not soak up water like a sponge but, water can get to it and surround it. The glass on the inside is no less water resistant than the glass on the outside, the foam is poured into cavities like marbled cakes. If the potential buyer cant afford $3.5k for this boat, they cant afford to restore it anyway. The problem with restoration projects isnt the value of the hull, it is the cost of new engines. Its getting to the point, if a guy can afford new engines, he can probably afford to buy the whole package. But, there is only one Divemaster hull made. The ONLY downside to the 22 ft hulls is the narrow beam (7.5 ft). Id bet if the same hull was stretched to 8.5 it would be the most popular hull ever made. 7.5 beam serves Military specs for seaworthiness, 8.5 would better serve the masses. Still, Im tempted to scrap my 18 ft Guardian project and move those assets to your boat just because it has a dive door. Nahh, sorry, I'll check back AFTER Ive finished rebuilding my shop. thanks for letting me ramble on the your thread Noble, hope Ive helped you and potential buyers. good luck.
elaelap	posted 02-14-2009 01:40 PM ET (US) "Had we but world enough, and time..." Man oh man. The price is right and she's just a long one day's tow away from my home. Retro, diablo. Tony Here's the whole poem: TO HIS COY MISTRESS by Andrew Marvell Had we but world enough, and time, This coyness, lady, were no crime. We would sit down and think which way To walk, and pass our long love's day; Thou by the Indian Ganges' side Shouldst rubies find; I by the tide Of Humber would complain. I would Love you ten years before the Flood; And you should, if you please, refuse Till the conversion of the Jews. My vegetable love should grow Vaster than empires, and more slow. An hundred years should go to praise Thine eyes, and on thy forehead gaze; Two hundred to adore each breast, But thirty thousand to the rest; An age at least to every part, And the last age should show your heart. For, lady, you deserve this state, Nor would I love at lower rate. But at my back I always hear Time's winged chariot hurrying near; And yonder all before us lie Deserts of vast eternity. Thy beauty shall no more be found, Nor, in thy marble vault, shall sound My echoing song; then worms shall try That long preserv'd virginity, And your quaint honour turn to dust, And into ashes all my lust. The grave's a fine and private place, But none I think do there embrace. Now therefore, while the youthful hue Sits on thy skin like morning dew, And while thy willing soul transpires At every pore with instant fires, Now let us sport us while we may; And now, like am'rous birds of prey, Rather at once our time devour, Than languish in his slow-chapp'd power. Let us roll all our strength, and all Our sweetness, up into one ball; And tear our pleasures with rough strife Thorough the iron gates of life. Thus, though we cannot make our sun Stand still, yet we will make him run.
starlight marine	posted 02-14-2009 02:48 PM ET (US) Why can't this be on the east coast ?? I know i shouldn't take on another project with the new baby but DANG IT ! Anyone have no's to get it to Fla.? Thank, drueling here, Capt. T
Noble	posted 02-14-2009 04:42 PM ET (US) Towboater: yes it has the four lifting eyes. Is it tempting you more....Got lots of pics. Let me know if you want me to email them to you.
RLwhaler	posted 02-14-2009 05:36 PM ET (US) Geezz,what a sweett deal.C'mon Tony,just put me outta my misery and go pick up that boat!:) RL
elaelap	posted 02-14-2009 07:28 PM ET (US) Convince my wife, RL, and I'll drive down to San Diego tomorrow and tow her home. It would mean tearing down a fence and storing the old beauty in one of her flower beds for the many months (years?) it would take for me to get her presentable, and more importantly to save up enough money to power her as she deserves. On the other hand, from that same Andrew Marvell poem written 450 years ago, "...at my back I always hear Time's winged chariot hurrying near; And yonder all before us lie Deserts of vast eternity..." ...and I wonder, if not now, when? Tony Heh, heh...that's why they call that a carpe diem verse, I guess.
Noble	posted 02-14-2009 07:33 PM ET (US) Tony, Bring your wife down with you. Sell it to her as a romantic vacation to San Diego. Your just picking up a boat on the side....
elaelap	posted 02-14-2009 07:36 PM ET (US) Mike/towboater-- If you decide to do the deed, you're welcome to overnight coming and going at my home just about exactly halfway down and back from your place to San Diego. We're maybe six easy minutes off Highway 101. There's room in my driveway for the boat and trailer; the question would be whether I'd kill you in your sleep and bury you in my wife's flower bed ;-) Tony
RLwhaler	posted 02-14-2009 09:17 PM ET (US) Way to go Tony!I have exhausted my negotiating chips with "the admiral".Next time i'am hiring a profesional legal team like yourself.:)keep us posted will ya? Best, Richard
towboater	posted 02-15-2009 02:50 PM ET (US) Thx Tuco, Im sure we are going to get together one of these days. Cabo Mar 23 - Apr 2, never been there. My to-do list is too long to consider adding another (see poem). thx mk
Noble	posted 02-22-2009 04:32 PM ET (US) Boat is sold. Well, I just watched her drive up the road attached to someone elses truck....sad to see her go but it looks like she will have a good home in Northern Cal. Went to someone on this board. He can chime in if he wants. John
placerville	posted 02-22-2009 09:18 PM ET (US) I confess. It was me. It's an addiction. Matt
DeeVee	posted 02-22-2009 09:33 PM ET (US) Matt, You are going to have fun with that one. Keep us in the loop with lots of pictures. Doug
starlight marine	posted 02-23-2009 08:53 AM ET (US) Congrats, Heck of a boat at "heck" of a deal ! Love to see pics of the refit if possible when it happens,T
Jeff	posted 02-23-2009 10:16 AM ET (US) Matt, I think we all share your sickness. This one looks like a great replacement to the one you sold a while ago. Good luck with it.
elaelap	posted 02-23-2009 11:03 AM ET (US) WAY TO GO, PARTNER! I got the emailed photo labeled "Pure Sex" of you standing in front of her down in San Diego. Now the 'Strike3' partnership has some decisions to make, eh? Tony
towboater	posted 02-24-2009 03:37 AM ET (US) I lasted about a month after my 22 burned. Then 17 ft OR was TOO nice. Now 18 ft Guardian is just right. Now you get to mull the power debacle. Congrats Matt, how you have more time this go-around. mk