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Hoosier posted 07-10-2012 11:49 AM ET (US)
I saw this while browsing for something else.
http://www.diyachthaven.com/zizi1986whaler.html
L H G posted 07-10-2012 12:48 PM ET (US)
Looks like another improperly done Sea Drive conversion, with bracket mounted too low and 25" twins installed. A Sea Drive conversion on a hull this large and deep needs twin 30" engines.
Jeff posted 07-10-2012 01:19 PM ET (US)

quote:
Looks like another improperly done Sea Drive conversion

What makes you so sure Larry?
The 27 was able to ordered as a Sea-Drive blank just like your 25. It may have been ordered that way in 1986 and had the Gill Brackets installed at the dealer when rigged.
Or, it was order from the Factory with the Gill Brackets. That was an option you know. - See page 20 of the 1983 Catalog, Page 5 of the 1987 Options Catalog
If ordered from the Factory with the Gill Brackets that would certainly explain why it has 25' shaft motors as 30" shaft lengths where not offered in that time..
Peter posted 07-11-2012 08:34 AM ET (US)
Advertisement says the motors are 1987s on a 1986 hull. I don't think anybody would have done a SeaDrive conversion and used 1987 motors. As Jeff points out, there was no such thing as a 30 inch shaft length in 1987.
My 27 Whaler WD uses 25 inch shaft length motors. 30 inch shaft length is unnecessary for this boat, particularly on a bracket where you want the motors to run higher in the water. The deadrise is not steep enough to warrant 30 inch motors.
Jessielove posted 07-11-2012 09:31 PM ET (US)
25 year old engines? Even with new powerheads the technology is still old for that asking price. Looks like a clean freshwater boat but the asking price is quite a bit too high for the current market.
It's been for sale for a while now. The broker handling the sale doesn't seem to know much about the boat outside of what's listed in the ad.
Seems like $20,900 asking price would be a more realistic asking price.
martyn1075 posted 07-12-2012 01:39 AM ET (US)
Jessielove... probably but lets face it, the price within 5k for this can of worms is basically reflecting a repower imo. The 5k is nothing in what someone will likely need to do with this bad boy! New engines would be in the 35-50 range now we are at 60K on average to get it running in modern day language. There is just enormous hidden cost its not even worth getting too involved with here but if I put out a number of 10-15k I'm sure we could eat that up in a heart beat to make this boat presentable and efficient. If the gelcoat is showing serious wear which many do or the tank and all its wires and hoses are shot then we can even get more crazy. The larger models I have seen that have been brought back and done right with care and skill the owners are into a boat this size for about 70k + Its crazy but true. It just adds up on these older beasts.
What someone will pay for that kind of boat is totally different but it has to be more than 40K I would imagine but then again this market I couldn't even tell you what its really worth. Lets say 40ish then the boat was basically thrown in on the deal at 20 or 24k.
Jeff posted 07-18-2012 08:19 PM ET (US)
I actually ended up talking to the owner of the 27 listed at Yacht Haven this evening. He has another Whaler listed locally by me that I called on.
He is not the original owner of the 27 but, said it was ordered from the factory as a Sea Drive blank with the Gill Brackets. So, it is not a Sea Drive conversion.
L H G posted 07-18-2012 08:55 PM ET (US)
Thanks for that information, Jeff. But it doesn't make it any better. Whether the transom had Sea Drive and was filled in, or simply came as a blank like my 25 did, hardly makes a difference.
The real problem to any would-be buyer is the obsolete and poorly designed Gil pipe brackets, and old 3.0 liter gas hogs. if you'll notice, they sit completely under water when the boat is at rest. Any buyer is going to have to look forward to the expense of a modern Armstrong type bracket, installed at a proper height, transom repair work from the Gil brackets, and set of new 30" 225-300HP engines. The boat was mostly likely sold as leftover since the engines are 1987. Whaler would have rigged the Gil brackets but not the engines.
Quite frankly, Boston Whaler should have known better to rig a 27 that way. But I guess at the time they had nothing better to work with and transom brackets were in their infancy at that time. I guess that's why they only offered the Gil option for one year. The desperately needed WD came out the next year.

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Author	Topic: Nice looking 27'
Hoosier	posted 07-10-2012 11:49 AM ET (US) I saw this while browsing for something else. http://www.diyachthaven.com/zizi1986whaler.html
L H G	posted 07-10-2012 12:48 PM ET (US) Looks like another improperly done Sea Drive conversion, with bracket mounted too low and 25" twins installed. A Sea Drive conversion on a hull this large and deep needs twin 30" engines.
Jeff	posted 07-10-2012 01:19 PM ET (US) quote: Looks like another improperly done Sea Drive conversion What makes you so sure Larry? The 27 was able to ordered as a Sea-Drive blank just like your 25. It may have been ordered that way in 1986 and had the Gill Brackets installed at the dealer when rigged. Or, it was order from the Factory with the Gill Brackets. That was an option you know. - See page 20 of the 1983 Catalog, Page 5 of the 1987 Options Catalog If ordered from the Factory with the Gill Brackets that would certainly explain why it has 25' shaft motors as 30" shaft lengths where not offered in that time..
Peter	posted 07-11-2012 08:34 AM ET (US) Advertisement says the motors are 1987s on a 1986 hull. I don't think anybody would have done a SeaDrive conversion and used 1987 motors. As Jeff points out, there was no such thing as a 30 inch shaft length in 1987. My 27 Whaler WD uses 25 inch shaft length motors. 30 inch shaft length is unnecessary for this boat, particularly on a bracket where you want the motors to run higher in the water. The deadrise is not steep enough to warrant 30 inch motors.
Jessielove	posted 07-11-2012 09:31 PM ET (US) 25 year old engines? Even with new powerheads the technology is still old for that asking price. Looks like a clean freshwater boat but the asking price is quite a bit too high for the current market. It's been for sale for a while now. The broker handling the sale doesn't seem to know much about the boat outside of what's listed in the ad. Seems like $20,900 asking price would be a more realistic asking price.
martyn1075	posted 07-12-2012 01:39 AM ET (US) Jessielove... probably but lets face it, the price within 5k for this can of worms is basically reflecting a repower imo. The 5k is nothing in what someone will likely need to do with this bad boy! New engines would be in the 35-50 range now we are at 60K on average to get it running in modern day language. There is just enormous hidden cost its not even worth getting too involved with here but if I put out a number of 10-15k I'm sure we could eat that up in a heart beat to make this boat presentable and efficient. If the gelcoat is showing serious wear which many do or the tank and all its wires and hoses are shot then we can even get more crazy. The larger models I have seen that have been brought back and done right with care and skill the owners are into a boat this size for about 70k + Its crazy but true. It just adds up on these older beasts. What someone will pay for that kind of boat is totally different but it has to be more than 40K I would imagine but then again this market I couldn't even tell you what its really worth. Lets say 40ish then the boat was basically thrown in on the deal at 20 or 24k.
Jeff	posted 07-18-2012 08:19 PM ET (US) I actually ended up talking to the owner of the 27 listed at Yacht Haven this evening. He has another Whaler listed locally by me that I called on. He is not the original owner of the 27 but, said it was ordered from the factory as a Sea Drive blank with the Gill Brackets. So, it is not a Sea Drive conversion.
L H G	posted 07-18-2012 08:55 PM ET (US) Thanks for that information, Jeff. But it doesn't make it any better. Whether the transom had Sea Drive and was filled in, or simply came as a blank like my 25 did, hardly makes a difference. The real problem to any would-be buyer is the obsolete and poorly designed Gil pipe brackets, and old 3.0 liter gas hogs. if you'll notice, they sit completely under water when the boat is at rest. Any buyer is going to have to look forward to the expense of a modern Armstrong type bracket, installed at a proper height, transom repair work from the Gil brackets, and set of new 30" 225-300HP engines. The boat was mostly likely sold as leftover since the engines are 1987. Whaler would have rigged the Gil brackets but not the engines. Quite frankly, Boston Whaler should have known better to rig a 27 that way. But I guess at the time they had nothing better to work with and transom brackets were in their infancy at that time. I guess that's why they only offered the Gil option for one year. The desperately needed WD came out the next year.