posted 04-07-2014 06:54 PM ET (US)            

Twin 115's is marginal power for that boat IMO, expect a top end around 40mph.

posted 04-08-2014 09:06 AM ET (US)            

Photos look positive. Thousands of dollars of add-ons there, starting with the T top. Looks to be a good find, depending on price and checking out the details.

I'm envious. Its rare to find something out West that looks that nice in photos. Too much year round boating weather.

posted 04-08-2014 09:46 AM ET (US)            

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/outrageRestore.html
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/outrageRestore2.html

Every Classic Outrage is going to have to have this project done in it’s lifetime. Some much sooner than others. That hull you are looking at has a T-Top installed, that will always increase the likelihood of problems in the floor.

If you want a go-by document here is a 20 something page write-up I created and use when I am inspecting Whalers. Just so I make sure I cover all the bases.
http://tinyurl.com/Whalerinspection
If that link does not work you can find it at the bottom of this page (which I have not updated in a while):
https://sites.google.com/site/rohlfingswhalersite/

posted 04-08-2014 11:21 AM ET (US)            

Nice boat.

posted 04-08-2014 11:26 AM ET (US)            

Twin F115's are a lot of weight for the provided horsepower, so I am with Jeff that the boat might be slightly underpowered.

Based on my view of the referenced pictures, the lines of the bottom paint might indicate a possible heavy stern situation. I would certainly be aware during you boat test.

Other than repeating the comments already stated, good luck with your decision in this regard.

posted 04-08-2014 12:39 PM ET (US)            

The F115s weigh no more than the V-6 two strokes that boat was designed to accommodate, the motors don't have anything to do with the potential for this boat to be stern heavy.

The bigger problem is the optional Extra Capacity (120 gallon) fuel tank, which is common on these 22 footers with Whaler Drive because back in the 1980s when they were equipped with twin two-strokes, the fuel consumption was very high so they really needed the extra capacity for a decent range.

It's not so much the added weight if the extra fuel, but rather the sternward shift in the center of gravity of the fuel. Essentially, the Extra Range tank is just a standard 77 gallon tank extended in length into what would have been the fish well. This mean the center of gravity of the fuel is shifted sternward by about two feet and *this* makes a huge difference to the attitude of the boat.

posted 04-08-2014 01:29 PM ET (US)            

Looking at the pictures, I put together a quick list of pros and cons, from my perspective.

Pros
-Recent 4-stroke Yamaha power
-Twin engines for reliability
-WhalerDrive in a cuddy model- not many of these around. This hull cost close to $50K new in 1989 as rigged
-Nice looking T-Top with radio box and rod holders
-OEM bow pulpit (solves the problem of anchor storage on this model)
-Nicely laid out gauges and instruments
-Original cuddy cushion set looks intact.

Cons
-Almost all the beautiful teak has been replaced with Starboard. This could be an indicator of weather damage or neglect, but it also detracts from the yacht quality aesthetics of this boat.
-Super Console. While these provide great storage, they take up a tremendous amount of space, and don't allow the use of a cooler seat in front of the console. I wouldn't want one on an Outrage 22 Cuddy.
-Speaker holes cut into the cuddy bulkhead. These will probably leak and really muck up the look of the cabin. Why do people do this?
1989 EZ Loader Trailer. I replaced mine last year and it was time. This one looks like it doesn't have any carpet on the bunks? Take a close look at the hull in the bunk area.
-It looks like there is only a cover for the console and leaning post. Boats that are exposed to rain are much more likely to have rot in the tank cover (floors).
-Photos don't show the bottom of the lower units. Can they tilt clear of the water, or have the gear cases been soaking in the salt?

posted 04-08-2014 03:09 PM ET (US)            

Also, the reason why I would want twin 150's is to be able to plane the hull off on one engine if you had to. Single 115 is never going to do that so to me that defeats the porpose of rigging twins.

Finally after having a 22 Gaurdian with the large capacity fuel tank I can say when full the hull does sit low. Also when you are half empty and at rest I found that hull to pitch and roll more with the seas than my earlier 22 Ourtage with the smaller tank.

posted 04-08-2014 07:25 PM ET (US)            

Any Whaler of that vintage has the same fuel tank dilemma (including my own 1988). If this boat needs a new one tank then haver to opportunity to replace it with a shorter tank that will improve how she floats.

posted 04-10-2014 04:44 PM ET (US)            

This model is a bit bow heavy; the extra weight on the transom may help pick up the bow a little. I currently have a single engine setup and sometimes have issues with bow steering (even though I have removed the cuddy cabin).

If you need to get the lower units out of the water when tilted you may have to add some weight to the bow that is easily removable (such as sand bags or buckets of water). I use this technique to get my engine bracket out of the water while docked. (Currently I only have a single engine and I removed the cuddy, so I need a little weight to raise the stern at the dock.)

The cuddy takes up a lot of fishing room. I removed the cuddy as I got tired of trading off usable deck space for a tiny cabin with minimal head space. The cabin deck did make a nice casting platform however.

The super console also takes up a lot of space. I removed the t-top that originally straddled the super console as there was less room to maneuver than I have on my Montauk.

230 horsepower should work. When one of my twin 150's died I used the boat for several weeks on a single 150 that was still propped for twins and it always planed with two big guys and two big dogs. I currently have a single 250hp E-Tec that will push the boat to 46 mph on a good day.

BTW, my boat has the 77 gallon tank. And a previous poster is correct about the t-top potentially damaging the deck (and possibly the console) if not mounted very solidly. I needed to repair both the deck (two decks actually) and my console due to damage from the t-top shaking things loose.

posted 04-11-2014 09:40 PM ET (US)            

I can see from the ad photos that the motors are mounted all the way down when they should be mounted all the way up.

Even back in the 1980s, Whaler shows twins on the Whaler Drive mounted all the way up.

posted 04-12-2014 10:31 AM ET (US)            

If you end up buying the boat, take a closer look and see what they really are. The Yamaha painted Stainless steel model is not a bad prop for this application, though I think there are better.

posted 04-14-2014 03:57 PM ET (US)            

As I suspected, the gear cases are in the water even when tilted the way the outboards are currently mounted. I wonder if they would clear when mounted all the way up? If you plan to keep the boat on the trailer, it may be a non issue for you, but I would not want those gear cases in the water full time if the boat is kept on a mooring or in a slip.

posted 04-15-2014 03:46 PM ET (US)            

04/15/2014 Twin Engine Survey & minor hull review for purchase

04/15/2014 FINDINGS; port Yamaha LF115TXRB 68W X 100061 visual inspect
good, oil full but smells of fuel & extensive use, founded welded bracket
on valve cover, compression 165-165-155-160psi

04/15/2014 Stbd Yamaha F115TXRC 68V X 1030983 Visual inspect good, oil full but
signs of fuel & extensive use- compression 150-155-150-150psi & no -
change when oiled cylinders(within tolerance but low)-

04/15/2014 No indication of water in gear oil both engines- port trim not working from
throttle switch but does work from switch on throttle base & @ engine-