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Buying Advice for a new guy
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posted 04-16-2015 11:55 AM ET (US)
Hello to all the Whaler affectionadoes here.
I am new to the idea of Whaler ownership. I have of course heard of their quality and reliability.
We recently came to the conclusion that we need a small runabout to tend to our bigger boat and do some fishing and crabbing.
We need something that can get us home when caught out in Puget Sound and the wind kicks up some chop.
I am looking at a Dauntless in the 14-15 foot range. It looks to me like the Dauntless has a deeper V and more weight, thus it is able to handle rougher water.
Is that right? Are other models equally or better able to do the same?
Does the size for the stated purpose work?
The prices that are being asked for these in the 1999-2001 year range are $8800-11,500 or so. When I look at the NADA values it states that the list price is in that range but the average retail price is $ 4000-6000. NADA states that the "Suggested List Price" is the MSRP when the boats were new. So if that's the case, then these people are asking about what they paid, 15 years ago. Could that be right? What would be a good price for one of these?
Here is an example of a listing by a dealer in my area.
I'm sure more questions will come up as I consider a Whaler to fulfill my needs. Thanks.
I appreciate anyone taking time to share their passion and experience for these fine craft, and help a new guy out.
posted 04-16-2015 12:23 PM ET (US)
Yep, as odds at it seems, that's perfectly normal.
NADA values didn't mean nothing for Boston Whaler boats. A LOT of owners sold their boats after many years of use for more than what they paid for.
While I'm not an expert (Jeff is), a good reference point is the price of a really clean +/- 25 years (1990) Montauk. They were advertised for around $10k.
posted 04-16-2015 04:00 PM ET (US)
Are you hoisting your tender onto the deck of said boat or pulling it behind.
If pulling it behind, you can go up to a classic Montauk in size and not have a lot of issues. (I have pulled mine many many miles.)
If hoisting onto boat and weight is a factor, most people go with the classic 13'.
NADA values mean nothing on Whalers, even more so in the PNW.
posted 04-16-2015 04:35 PM ET (US)
For the use you describe, it would be hard to do better than a classic Montauk. In my opinion, no 14 or 15 foot boat is large enough to safely and comfortably handle the chop on open water like Puget Sound. I have been on some open water in sounds along the South Carolina and Georgia coast when the wind kicked up in a 15 foot center console (not a Whaler). While I survived the ride home, most boats can take more than the people in them, I had zero desire to make that trip again.
posted 04-16-2015 07:10 PM ET (US)
Don't be fooled by the asking prices of the 13' 14' and 15' Dauntless models, some of them have been sitting for years. I tell you from experience that you can purchase any one of these models in very good condition for $5k-$7k.
I've long admired the 14' Dauntless and just missed out on one that sold in my area for $4,900. Then I had an opportunity to buy another for $5,500 but it was 900 miles away.....and well it gets tedious buying these things so damn far away so I let it go.
I'd take a look at the 16' Dauntless and 17' Montauk for Puget Sound.
posted 04-16-2015 11:41 PM ET (US)
Just want to say thanks to all who responded.
I wasn't planning on towing it. Just using it as a tender and occasional fishing. Don't plan to hoist it on deck.
The other boat is a 45ft sailboat.
I probably wouldn't do any serious fishing (bad weather), just occasional crabbing/shrimping and some fair weather fishing.
I just can't get over the asking prices for these Whalers. Some of them look pretty rough, but the price does not reflect that.
I really like the looks of the 14 Dauntless. May have to wait for the right deal to come along. My problem is I'm out on the Olympic Peninsula and the Seattle area is over 2 hours away and a fairy ride to get there, just to look. Sounds like I'm whining, which I'm not. I'm just stating the limitations of looking for the right boat.
Well hey, thanks again everybody. Any more replies/ideas would be greatly appreciated.
posted 04-16-2015 11:44 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the info on prices. There just aren't many Whalers in my neck of the woods to look at.
posted 04-17-2015 12:01 PM ET (US)
Buzz - You are right - the deeper "v" and more weight will handle the heavier water better. And the winds in the Strait can be a bit stiff - so the bigger and heavier, the better.
I have been in the Strait in a 17 Outrage II and it handled the big, rough water well.
I well remember, though decades ago, of salmon fishing out of Edmunds in a light 16 footer - with just a little wind and then a lot of fog. And with the commercial freighters and naval ships, I was VERY uncomfortable. --- Jerry/Idaho
posted 04-17-2015 01:18 PM ET (US)
Have you considered a 1993-1997 Outrage 17? It has a really nice V hull. Puget Sound is a lot like the front-side of Catalina Island. The island protects against the large oceanic swell. However, the wind sometimes blows alongside the island and creates a 1-3 foot very steep chop with whitecaps. And like Puget Sound, there can be a lot of current making the chop stand taller. I see Montauks pounding hard. It looks uncomfortable. The Outrage 17 has a deeper hull than the Dauntless but the Dauntless' hull is directionally better for chop. I have a 1995 Outrage 21 and brave the chop quite a lot. I would lean towards a V hull for sure.
posted 04-18-2015 01:33 AM ET (US)
Hey guys and gals,
This is great information. Just the stuff I was looking for.
Any ideas on how to find one? The boats for sale in my area are very limited. I guess I'll just have to keep watching.
posted 04-19-2015 10:18 AM ET (US)
Hey, Doc, I can from experience tell you it is no fun looking for a nice used Boston Whaler on the West Coast, where demand greatly exceeds supply.
You will get price estimates on this thread from members on the East Coast where there are ten times the number of used Whalers for sale.
Living a little North of San Francisco, it took me over a year to find a classic Montauk with modern power that I was satisfied with, and it was only an 8/10.
My advice to you is to check Craigslist every couple of days and keep up with your local dealer's used inventory. Once you locate a boat for sale that fits your needs, drop what you are doing and go look at it immediately. Expect to pay more that East Coast prices! If you can live with an old 2 stroke carbureted motor your quest will be a lot easier.
posted 04-19-2015 10:46 AM ET (US)
I am on the Olympic Peninsula as well and been around sailboats all my life. Compared to other brands and styles of boats, I cannot think of a better boat to be used as a tender for a 45' sailboat and to use as a crab/fishing boat. You might also think about looking at a Classic 13'. While fishing at Seiku (on the Straits of Juan De Fuca) a couple of years ago, I admired a Grandfather and his son fishing for salmon out of a Dauntless. It was calm. Practically any boat on the Puget Sound is fine so long as you are constantly aware of the weather and other boats. As a kid, I raced a 13' sailboat (like a Laser) all over the Sound. I have a 17' Classic Montauk (and a 25' Revenge) and that would probably be too big to be used as a tender. I consider the 17' Classic to be the ideal fishing/crabbing/shrimping boat for the Puget Sound. I suggest not limiting your search area. Consider Oregon and even California as a market for your search. I just bought a 28 Conquest two months ago from a member of this forum and found someone on uship.com to trailer it up. Actually, my wife found it while searching the internet. She was even looking in Florida for a new boat. Don't limit your search to just one website. I suggest being patient as well. Finding the right boat is like fishing. It may take a bit of work and time. Also, word of mouth works. My friend found the Montauk for me even though I was not looking for one at the time.
posted 04-20-2015 02:50 PM ET (US)
That 14' Dauntless is configured beautifully (for me) with the 75hp Merc, deleted bow rail and accessory plug up front.
Given the limited availability of Whalers in your region you should go check it out and hopefully the price is flexible.
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