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TahoeChris posted 06-26-2000 09:46 PM ET (US)
Has anybody replaced the original reversible pilot seat on a Montauk with one or two bucket seats? What are the pros/cons and techniques to doing it? Thanks.
tbirdsey posted 06-27-2000 09:44 PM ET (US)
Although I haven't measured the OA width of the two bucket seats in my 18 Outrage, I think the width would be a problem for two seats in a Montauk - its a foot narrower. If you decide to go ahead with one or two, I'd be interested in trading my two seats for the reversible pilot seat, especially if it is an older model. BTY, I just ordered new cushion sets from Dave's for these seats, having given up on finding an RPS in the near future.
TahoeChris posted 06-28-2000 06:52 PM ET (US)
tbirdsey-
Thanks for your reply. I am keeping the RPS. I have a nice place for it on my upstairs deck! I agree that two seats in a Montauk wouldn't really work. Anybody out there selling a bucket seat?
sr posted 06-28-2000 08:54 PM ET (US)
Chris, there is a guy here with a montauk with two buckets, he fishes with his father in law who is paralyzed from the waist down and 'walks' around the boat with his hands on the rails. I'll see what type he used. The buckets mount with the round alum. (or ss) bases. The fuel tanks were mounted near the transom (I didn't like that part. But will find out more if you like.
sr
TahoeChris posted 06-29-2000 05:02 PM ET (US)
sr- I am very interested in the guys setup. Any info or a contact with the guy would be greatly appreciated. Where are you located? Thanks.
Chris
sr posted 06-29-2000 09:41 PM ET (US)
trinity county, will call him 2 nite. Boat is on eagle lake near susanville frequently.
sr
sr posted 07-04-2000 02:36 AM ET (US)
chris, still awaiting a return call, he must be vacationing.
sr
Eric posted 07-04-2000 11:32 AM ET (US)
What I wonder: how do you support the base for the bucket seat? There's no way to put a backing plate beneath the deck to distribute the load. I had considered a leaning post for my Nauset, but backed off for that reason (as well as the cost of purchase).
dfmcintyre posted 07-04-2000 08:03 PM ET (US)
Eric
There is a plate of plywood under the fiberglass cockpit sole. I can't recall the dimensions in the earlier pre 70's 16'4" hull, but the later 17' hull had a fairly large piece. The base plate just mounts to the wood.
Only recommendation I can make on the mounting is to overbore the hole by roughly .25 - .5" (1/4 - 1/2" for us decimally challenged), undercut the hole and pour in raw resin (I prefer using the West system, mostly for ease of use) deeper then your screw will go. Let it dry and drill out the proper sized hole in the resin plug.
I'm simplifying the above. The technique is described a few times in West brochures.
That way you eliminate any chance of water penetration.
Best - Don
Eric posted 07-04-2000 10:47 PM ET (US)
That explains a lot. Since my boat is the older hull, I had not looked at the wood locating diagrams for the 17 hull. The old boats did not have the plywood, only a pair of long pieces similar to stringers. I had thought that I would use a surface (top of deck) mounted piece of ply or starboard, to try to distribute the load, but money issues stopped me. Any further feedback on this mounting problem would be appreciated, as the ideal is still for a leaning post in my boat.
fuelfish posted 08-16-2000 11:36 PM ET (US)
I fished with a fly fishing guide in the keys who converted his montauk into a flats boat (really) and he simply too the folding back off the seat so it is just a bench. I did the same to my Montauk and it is great. Yo do not sit up any higher (obviously) but you have a ton of room to sit aft and fish . I love this configuration. Unfortunanly, the plywood in the seat gave way so ZI weill have to replace it.
dave

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Author	Topic: replace RPS w/ bucket seat
TahoeChris	posted 06-26-2000 09:46 PM ET (US) Has anybody replaced the original reversible pilot seat on a Montauk with one or two bucket seats? What are the pros/cons and techniques to doing it? Thanks.
tbirdsey	posted 06-27-2000 09:44 PM ET (US) Although I haven't measured the OA width of the two bucket seats in my 18 Outrage, I think the width would be a problem for two seats in a Montauk - its a foot narrower. If you decide to go ahead with one or two, I'd be interested in trading my two seats for the reversible pilot seat, especially if it is an older model. BTY, I just ordered new cushion sets from Dave's for these seats, having given up on finding an RPS in the near future.
TahoeChris	posted 06-28-2000 06:52 PM ET (US) tbirdsey- Thanks for your reply. I am keeping the RPS. I have a nice place for it on my upstairs deck! I agree that two seats in a Montauk wouldn't really work. Anybody out there selling a bucket seat?
sr	posted 06-28-2000 08:54 PM ET (US) Chris, there is a guy here with a montauk with two buckets, he fishes with his father in law who is paralyzed from the waist down and 'walks' around the boat with his hands on the rails. I'll see what type he used. The buckets mount with the round alum. (or ss) bases. The fuel tanks were mounted near the transom (I didn't like that part. But will find out more if you like. sr
TahoeChris	posted 06-29-2000 05:02 PM ET (US) sr- I am very interested in the guys setup. Any info or a contact with the guy would be greatly appreciated. Where are you located? Thanks. Chris
sr	posted 06-29-2000 09:41 PM ET (US) trinity county, will call him 2 nite. Boat is on eagle lake near susanville frequently. sr
sr	posted 07-04-2000 02:36 AM ET (US) chris, still awaiting a return call, he must be vacationing. sr
Eric	posted 07-04-2000 11:32 AM ET (US) What I wonder: how do you support the base for the bucket seat? There's no way to put a backing plate beneath the deck to distribute the load. I had considered a leaning post for my Nauset, but backed off for that reason (as well as the cost of purchase).
dfmcintyre	posted 07-04-2000 08:03 PM ET (US) Eric There is a plate of plywood under the fiberglass cockpit sole. I can't recall the dimensions in the earlier pre 70's 16'4" hull, but the later 17' hull had a fairly large piece. The base plate just mounts to the wood. Only recommendation I can make on the mounting is to overbore the hole by roughly .25 - .5" (1/4 - 1/2" for us decimally challenged), undercut the hole and pour in raw resin (I prefer using the West system, mostly for ease of use) deeper then your screw will go. Let it dry and drill out the proper sized hole in the resin plug. I'm simplifying the above. The technique is described a few times in West brochures. That way you eliminate any chance of water penetration. Best - Don
Eric	posted 07-04-2000 10:47 PM ET (US) That explains a lot. Since my boat is the older hull, I had not looked at the wood locating diagrams for the 17 hull. The old boats did not have the plywood, only a pair of long pieces similar to stringers. I had thought that I would use a surface (top of deck) mounted piece of ply or starboard, to try to distribute the load, but money issues stopped me. Any further feedback on this mounting problem would be appreciated, as the ideal is still for a leaning post in my boat.
fuelfish	posted 08-16-2000 11:36 PM ET (US) I fished with a fly fishing guide in the keys who converted his montauk into a flats boat (really) and he simply too the folding back off the seat so it is just a bench. I did the same to my Montauk and it is great. Yo do not sit up any higher (obviously) but you have a ton of room to sit aft and fish . I love this configuration. Unfortunanly, the plywood in the seat gave way so ZI weill have to replace it. dave