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Small Fry posted 09-22-2001 10:59 PM ET (US)
I got a hold of a free 1962 13' with a new tiller Nissan 30Hp 15"(paid for that). I trialed it today. The whole boats been worked, no rub rail exists, cracks are all around, the hull looks pock marked from rework??, It leaks some water and has some seperations/cracks in the hull and by the rear chine? The steering console is no longer there. There are a few layers of paint... However, it did stay afloat and maintained its integrity with some respect.. I even had fun with it.
Question: When is it time to bury one of these things? or is it worth putting alot of sweat equity into it?
Broken Boat; you can't answer this one...(good luck to you)

JBCornwell posted 09-22-2001 11:48 PM ET (US)
Well, Small Fry, if you hope to get you money back, or to earn a fair wage for your time, forget it.
If you get your payback in the pleasure of seeing a classic rise from the ruin, do it.
Red sky at night. . .
JB :)
Small Fry posted 09-23-2001 12:04 AM ET (US)
Thanks JB,
I guess that is along the lines of what I thought, just had to hear it from an expert. Any other brand probably would've been junked by now, but a Whaler is a unique creature, and is respected as such.
As soon as I finish restoring my 72 442 convertible (3 years of work so far), maybe I'll try and take a crack at this...
Then again, the car can't float...
Bigshot posted 09-24-2001 11:20 AM ET (US)
Depends on the severity and how long water has been getting into the foam. If transom is cracked, etc, might be time for a burial or sell it to someone who has the time and knowledge and desire.
Small Fry posted 09-24-2001 12:20 PM ET (US)
The boat sat in fresh water all summer. I understand that the foam is a closed cell type and won't absorb water, but... what happens to the 'closed cell' integrity after 40 years?
Is it worth while drilling a few 1/8" holes in the bottom to allow water seapage over the winter, hoping for a moisture purge with epoxy filling & glass repair to follow in the spring?
Bigshot posted 09-24-2001 03:45 PM ET (US)
closed cell foam was not used until 1978 I believe. can you weigh it? That is a good way to tell. The other is check your drain tubes, are they there? If not you have water in her. Not easy to rectify and even at that the wood may be rotten. Just make sure before you dump good money after bad.
Small Fry posted 09-24-2001 10:00 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the input Bigshot and JB. No closed cell foam...Oh boy, that makes a difference. I did get her going 25 MPH with a 30 Nissan tiller O.B. and 2 adults/2 kids in it. I can live with that performance.
I'll experiment to see what I can find out about the moisture. I believe the boat should weight about 350 lbs or so...it's no longer got the console, just the 2 seats. I think it was the sport model originally.
Since I'll be trailering it, and only using it periodically, I'll be happy getting a season or two out of it with minimum time repairing it to make it functional and safe..
During that time, maybe I'll look for another in better shape..
Happy Whaler-ing!
Bigshot posted 09-25-2001 09:25 AM ET (US)
With that speed it can't be too wet.
Small Fry posted 09-25-2001 08:21 PM ET (US)
I'm glad to hear that. Maybe there's some hope yet. The winter is long here in Mass. It should be enough time to get it to dry totally out(I hope).
CarlRobert posted 09-25-2001 09:29 PM ET (US)
I've noticed lately a number of posts concerning recently acquired 1962 13' Whalers have appeared. Could 1962 have been a banner year in terms of quality (over and above the usual quality) for Whaler? It is amazing that these boats are still around, definitely the "unsinkable legend." Proud owner of a '62 13'...Carl R
Small Fry posted 09-26-2001 12:23 PM ET (US)
Bigshot,
Where would these drainage tubes be you were talking about? I know of the obvious deck ones up front in the stowage locker area. Are there others between the hulls? I do see water weeping out from under the floor in the drainage ditch, between the rear wall and transom. Is this a normal drainage tube? or another potential point of repair?
Also, you're right Carl, I'm surprised to see alot of 62's aroud on these pages.. it gives me a vote of confidence!
Bigshot posted 09-26-2001 01:21 PM ET (US)
Uh water coming from under the floor? There are 2 tubes on that in the rear. One goes through the transom, the other goes through the "bulkhead". If either of these are missing cracked, or otherwise screwed up, you got water in the foam.
Kelly posted 09-26-2001 02:30 PM ET (US)
I think the great thing about the 13' is that it is fun in almost any condition as long as it holds the motor and floats. If you are keeping it on a trailer, it will probably not get any worse. I say, enjoy. To me, there is something carefree about the simplicity of a tiller motor and an old skiff. By the way, I have a Nissan 15 hp on mine, and it works great. It is a little noisy, but starts easy and idles down to almost nothing all day long. Kelly
ps I would like to see pictures of the 442 if you have them. What a great car.
Small Fry posted 09-26-2001 09:19 PM ET (US)
I've got the 2 drain holes still in tact Bigshot (luckily enough!). The transom drain hole has a hole in front of it, extending into the floor.
I made a strategic effort to 5200 up the holes on the deck, and temporarily seal the cracks in the hull too. This should at least get me out a couple more time before the Northeast freezes over (probably a week away).
I might as well experiment now..
Glad your sharing in the simplistic fun too Kelly...Thanks. Pic's on the way..

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Author	Topic: 1962 13' Resto Y/N
Small Fry	posted 09-22-2001 10:59 PM ET (US) I got a hold of a free 1962 13' with a new tiller Nissan 30Hp 15"(paid for that). I trialed it today. The whole boats been worked, no rub rail exists, cracks are all around, the hull looks pock marked from rework??, It leaks some water and has some seperations/cracks in the hull and by the rear chine? The steering console is no longer there. There are a few layers of paint... However, it did stay afloat and maintained its integrity with some respect.. I even had fun with it. Question: When is it time to bury one of these things? or is it worth putting alot of sweat equity into it? Broken Boat; you can't answer this one...(good luck to you)
JBCornwell	posted 09-22-2001 11:48 PM ET (US) Well, Small Fry, if you hope to get you money back, or to earn a fair wage for your time, forget it. If you get your payback in the pleasure of seeing a classic rise from the ruin, do it. Red sky at night. . . JB :)
Small Fry	posted 09-23-2001 12:04 AM ET (US) Thanks JB, I guess that is along the lines of what I thought, just had to hear it from an expert. Any other brand probably would've been junked by now, but a Whaler is a unique creature, and is respected as such. As soon as I finish restoring my 72 442 convertible (3 years of work so far), maybe I'll try and take a crack at this... Then again, the car can't float...
Bigshot	posted 09-24-2001 11:20 AM ET (US) Depends on the severity and how long water has been getting into the foam. If transom is cracked, etc, might be time for a burial or sell it to someone who has the time and knowledge and desire.
Small Fry	posted 09-24-2001 12:20 PM ET (US) The boat sat in fresh water all summer. I understand that the foam is a closed cell type and won't absorb water, but... what happens to the 'closed cell' integrity after 40 years? Is it worth while drilling a few 1/8" holes in the bottom to allow water seapage over the winter, hoping for a moisture purge with epoxy filling & glass repair to follow in the spring?
Bigshot	posted 09-24-2001 03:45 PM ET (US) closed cell foam was not used until 1978 I believe. can you weigh it? That is a good way to tell. The other is check your drain tubes, are they there? If not you have water in her. Not easy to rectify and even at that the wood may be rotten. Just make sure before you dump good money after bad.
Small Fry	posted 09-24-2001 10:00 PM ET (US) Thanks for the input Bigshot and JB. No closed cell foam...Oh boy, that makes a difference. I did get her going 25 MPH with a 30 Nissan tiller O.B. and 2 adults/2 kids in it. I can live with that performance. I'll experiment to see what I can find out about the moisture. I believe the boat should weight about 350 lbs or so...it's no longer got the console, just the 2 seats. I think it was the sport model originally. Since I'll be trailering it, and only using it periodically, I'll be happy getting a season or two out of it with minimum time repairing it to make it functional and safe.. During that time, maybe I'll look for another in better shape.. Happy Whaler-ing!
Bigshot	posted 09-25-2001 09:25 AM ET (US) With that speed it can't be too wet.
Small Fry	posted 09-25-2001 08:21 PM ET (US) I'm glad to hear that. Maybe there's some hope yet. The winter is long here in Mass. It should be enough time to get it to dry totally out(I hope).
CarlRobert	posted 09-25-2001 09:29 PM ET (US) I've noticed lately a number of posts concerning recently acquired 1962 13' Whalers have appeared. Could 1962 have been a banner year in terms of quality (over and above the usual quality) for Whaler? It is amazing that these boats are still around, definitely the "unsinkable legend." Proud owner of a '62 13'...Carl R
Small Fry	posted 09-26-2001 12:23 PM ET (US) Bigshot, Where would these drainage tubes be you were talking about? I know of the obvious deck ones up front in the stowage locker area. Are there others between the hulls? I do see water weeping out from under the floor in the drainage ditch, between the rear wall and transom. Is this a normal drainage tube? or another potential point of repair? Also, you're right Carl, I'm surprised to see alot of 62's aroud on these pages.. it gives me a vote of confidence!
Bigshot	posted 09-26-2001 01:21 PM ET (US) Uh water coming from under the floor? There are 2 tubes on that in the rear. One goes through the transom, the other goes through the "bulkhead". If either of these are missing cracked, or otherwise screwed up, you got water in the foam.
Kelly	posted 09-26-2001 02:30 PM ET (US) I think the great thing about the 13' is that it is fun in almost any condition as long as it holds the motor and floats. If you are keeping it on a trailer, it will probably not get any worse. I say, enjoy. To me, there is something carefree about the simplicity of a tiller motor and an old skiff. By the way, I have a Nissan 15 hp on mine, and it works great. It is a little noisy, but starts easy and idles down to almost nothing all day long. Kelly ps I would like to see pictures of the 442 if you have them. What a great car.
Small Fry	posted 09-26-2001 09:19 PM ET (US) I've got the 2 drain holes still in tact Bigshot (luckily enough!). The transom drain hole has a hole in front of it, extending into the floor. I made a strategic effort to 5200 up the holes on the deck, and temporarily seal the cracks in the hull too. This should at least get me out a couple more time before the Northeast freezes over (probably a week away). I might as well experiment now.. Glad your sharing in the simplistic fun too Kelly...Thanks. Pic's on the way..