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cinco de whaler posted 01-02-2002 04:47 PM ET (US)
I'm having a whaler dealer re-paint the hull of my 1980 22' Outrage and am considering painting it a color other than the original. Any ideas or comments on what would look good or how it would affect re-sale value.
David Ratusnik posted 01-02-2002 06:22 PM ET (US)
cdw- The repaint you contemplate will negatively impact resale.
maverick posted 01-02-2002 07:19 PM ET (US)
Cinco - I agree with david - keep her as original as possible - at least on any major things like fit and finish. Mav
David Ratusnik posted 01-02-2002 10:22 PM ET (US)
cdw- Just an opinion, but if the hull really has to be painted, use Awlgrip in desert tan, then gussy it up with some cool color tape stripes under the gunwales and along the water line. Prospective buyer will see he can remove an buff out to be original. You don't want to be looking for that one buyer who has similar hull color interests to yours. David
wildeone posted 01-03-2002 08:25 AM ET (US)
Hey cinco, stay with original color, or as close as possible. I have seen some whalers here in New England with all sorts of non factory colors, and they were'nt pretty.
By the way, whats the estimate from the dealer on the paint job? And are they doing any gel work?
Bigshot posted 01-03-2002 09:19 AM ET (US)
No matter what color you paint it will impact resale. Just read the comments here on used boats."It was repainted, what kinda damage is he hiding, etc" So on that note, if you really want it another color, do it but as above there are MANY consequences, like scratches and the fact that you will look like a Government boat(green-parkrangers, red-fireman, yellow-seatow, grey-police, etc)
Chap posted 01-03-2002 09:24 AM ET (US)
I became spooked by several painted 22's while shopping.
They looked perfect but who knew, I ended up REALLY putting the other aspects of the boat under the microscope if it was painted.
Eventually purchased an unpainted hull.
Thanks
Chap
andygere posted 01-03-2002 11:10 AM ET (US)
From a maintenance standpoint, it would be better to repair and restore the gelcoat. Small dings, chips and cracks can be color-matched and repaired, then wet sanded and buffed to a shine. Once the paint gets scuffed or scratched, it is much more difficult to repair.
cinco de whaler posted 01-03-2002 04:43 PM ET (US)
The reason for re-painting is I used Peel Away to remove the blue bottom paint and the Peel Away damaged the gel coat in four small areas. It partially removed the bottom paint in places but looked terrible. Peel Away agreed to pay for the repairs and the Whaler dearler is going to repair the gel coat, lightly sand the bottom paint and re-paint from the rub rail down for $1500., which I thought was an excellent price.
Russ posted 01-03-2002 07:32 PM ET (US)
Cinco,
I'm in the process of removing the bottom paint from my 22' Revenge using Peel Away. So far it's worked well, albeit slowly, with no apparent damege to the gelcoat. So I'm wondering what kind of damage the stuff did to your gelcoat, and if there's something I should be aware of.
Russ
andygere posted 01-03-2002 07:37 PM ET (US)
If Peel-Away is paying, why not just have the repairs done entirely in gelcoat?
Chap posted 01-04-2002 09:35 AM ET (US)
Was the recommendation to paint the Whaler Dealer's idea? Peel-Away give an amount limit? Where would the highest profit margin exist? Peel-Away paying Whaler or are you? Biggest bang for the buck for that amount may be paint from your stand point but I'm sure Whaler dealers have to repair gelcoat damage on newly delivered boats all the time. They could do the same for yours, wet sand the whole exterior to match(at least above the water line) and buff it out to a high gloss for the same money, IMHO.
Chap
cinco de whaler posted 01-04-2002 05:27 PM ET (US)
Now that you guys mention it, I'm not sure if Whaler quoted a price for re-gel coating or re-painting and I'm not sure that I fully understand the difference. Can someone explain? Peel Away sent me a check and I handled the estimates and selected the repair facility.
Russ, the Peel Away damaged four small areas along the water line and left a rough chaulky appearance in these areas so I assume it ate through the gel coat. Peel Away said they had heard of this happening on one other occassion and couldn't explain it.

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Author	Topic: re-painting 22'
cinco de whaler	posted 01-02-2002 04:47 PM ET (US) I'm having a whaler dealer re-paint the hull of my 1980 22' Outrage and am considering painting it a color other than the original. Any ideas or comments on what would look good or how it would affect re-sale value.
David Ratusnik	posted 01-02-2002 06:22 PM ET (US) cdw- The repaint you contemplate will negatively impact resale.
maverick	posted 01-02-2002 07:19 PM ET (US) Cinco - I agree with david - keep her as original as possible - at least on any major things like fit and finish. Mav
David Ratusnik	posted 01-02-2002 10:22 PM ET (US) cdw- Just an opinion, but if the hull really has to be painted, use Awlgrip in desert tan, then gussy it up with some cool color tape stripes under the gunwales and along the water line. Prospective buyer will see he can remove an buff out to be original. You don't want to be looking for that one buyer who has similar hull color interests to yours. David
wildeone	posted 01-03-2002 08:25 AM ET (US) Hey cinco, stay with original color, or as close as possible. I have seen some whalers here in New England with all sorts of non factory colors, and they were'nt pretty. By the way, whats the estimate from the dealer on the paint job? And are they doing any gel work?
Bigshot	posted 01-03-2002 09:19 AM ET (US) No matter what color you paint it will impact resale. Just read the comments here on used boats."It was repainted, what kinda damage is he hiding, etc" So on that note, if you really want it another color, do it but as above there are MANY consequences, like scratches and the fact that you will look like a Government boat(green-parkrangers, red-fireman, yellow-seatow, grey-police, etc)
Chap	posted 01-03-2002 09:24 AM ET (US) I became spooked by several painted 22's while shopping. They looked perfect but who knew, I ended up REALLY putting the other aspects of the boat under the microscope if it was painted. Eventually purchased an unpainted hull. Thanks Chap
andygere	posted 01-03-2002 11:10 AM ET (US) From a maintenance standpoint, it would be better to repair and restore the gelcoat. Small dings, chips and cracks can be color-matched and repaired, then wet sanded and buffed to a shine. Once the paint gets scuffed or scratched, it is much more difficult to repair.
cinco de whaler	posted 01-03-2002 04:43 PM ET (US) The reason for re-painting is I used Peel Away to remove the blue bottom paint and the Peel Away damaged the gel coat in four small areas. It partially removed the bottom paint in places but looked terrible. Peel Away agreed to pay for the repairs and the Whaler dearler is going to repair the gel coat, lightly sand the bottom paint and re-paint from the rub rail down for $1500., which I thought was an excellent price.
Russ	posted 01-03-2002 07:32 PM ET (US) Cinco, I'm in the process of removing the bottom paint from my 22' Revenge using Peel Away. So far it's worked well, albeit slowly, with no apparent damege to the gelcoat. So I'm wondering what kind of damage the stuff did to your gelcoat, and if there's something I should be aware of. Russ
andygere	posted 01-03-2002 07:37 PM ET (US) If Peel-Away is paying, why not just have the repairs done entirely in gelcoat?
Chap	posted 01-04-2002 09:35 AM ET (US) Was the recommendation to paint the Whaler Dealer's idea? Peel-Away give an amount limit? Where would the highest profit margin exist? Peel-Away paying Whaler or are you? Biggest bang for the buck for that amount may be paint from your stand point but I'm sure Whaler dealers have to repair gelcoat damage on newly delivered boats all the time. They could do the same for yours, wet sand the whole exterior to match(at least above the water line) and buff it out to a high gloss for the same money, IMHO. Chap
cinco de whaler	posted 01-04-2002 05:27 PM ET (US) Now that you guys mention it, I'm not sure if Whaler quoted a price for re-gel coating or re-painting and I'm not sure that I fully understand the difference. Can someone explain? Peel Away sent me a check and I handled the estimates and selected the repair facility. Russ, the Peel Away damaged four small areas along the water line and left a rough chaulky appearance in these areas so I assume it ate through the gel coat. Peel Away said they had heard of this happening on one other occassion and couldn't explain it.