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DuckBoy posted 01-11-2002 04:48 PM ET (US)
I need to get new wood for my 17' Montauk. The boat was left in the FLA Keys for years and the wood is cracking and the grain is deep and discolored. what should I do about the wood? Buy new, make new, or fix? If buy please give me a source in West Michigan. thanks- Duck
Taylor posted 01-11-2002 06:12 PM ET (US)
We are talking teak here, right? Teak is a really resiliant wood. I'm not sure that I have a clear idea of what the sun in Florida can do, (we don't get any sun in Seattle) but the nice thing about wood is that under that awful looking exterior is a nice finish waiting to get out. You just have to go deep enough. The wood on Whalers is pretty thick to start with.
I just sanded the heck out of my forward hatch cover, took about an eight of an inch off the surface and I also cut and reglued a couple of bad cracks (so its about 3/8" narrower) but it looks great.
So first, some Teak Bright or simliar bleaching product, and also some heavy sanding. Teak actually sands pretty fast for a hard wood. Beat up teak sands even faster since all the cells are broken down by the weather.
The louvered doors are tougher, there are lots of little places to sand. And the door and fire ext. pocket frames are dowel joined so they may need regluing.
The pilot seat, though, has lots of flat spots that you can power sand. Take off all the hardware, and the side blocks and see what you can do.
Actually there is not that much wood on a Montauk, and my project this winter is refinishing. Its very satisfying to putter over those little pieces. And much easier off the boat in the dark days of winter.
As for teak lumber, for small amounts, I'd consider Rockler (aka The Woodworker's store). They have stores in Detroit, Chicago, and mailorder. http://www.rockler.com
Taylor posted 01-11-2002 06:21 PM ET (US)
I just double checked the teak prices at Rockler and the are pretty steep... maybe for extemely small amounts. Dang, I was using a teak scrap in my workshop last week for a jig. Gotta stop that.
lhg posted 01-11-2002 06:26 PM ET (US)
Sand first, with an orbital sander. If that doesn't work, you may have replace.
But I believe the louvered doors & frames are not readily replaceable unless custom made. Fine files also work well in restoring them.
reelescape1 posted 01-11-2002 06:54 PM ET (US)
Try a pressure washer for cleaning. Works wonders!
Tom W Clark posted 01-11-2002 07:28 PM ET (US)
DuckBoy,
If you can afford it, have new replacement parts made.
If you end up buying teak lumber do not buy it from Rockler. They cater to the hobbiest who has no idea what wood should cost.
Taylor, before you ever buy anything from those Cretins at Rockler again please call me first and I'll get it for you at a contractor's discount.
If you want to refinish the wood you have I suggest you stay away from power washing. It will clean it good, a little too good. Like the chemical cleaners that I also do not recommend, it will dig all the soft wood right out of the grain.
It may be that you are correct that your's is too far gone, but lhg is correct that the louvered doors are going to be hard to find. The best way to strip the louvers is to scrape and then use a Fein brand detail sander. It will make quick work of it.
Taylor posted 01-11-2002 08:20 PM ET (US)
But... ummm, I *am* a hobbist. I've bought things from them in the past (thats embarassing) but since I got a little planer, I get most wood from Crosscut Hardwoods on 1st Ave South.
Maybe I should get a sideline going building louvered doors, hatches and the like. Anyone interested?
Tom W Clark posted 01-11-2002 08:28 PM ET (US)
Taylor,
I understand that you are a hobbyist. That's fine just so long as you understand you can do much better than Rockler. (I'm a little "down" on them as you can, perhaps, tell)
I'm glad you've found Crossut. Compton Lumber and Edensaw Woods are two more good places that are in the same general area.
Taylor posted 01-11-2002 09:36 PM ET (US)
OK Ok, I agree. Stay away from Rockler, particularly for wood, unless you care not what it costs. I checked the prices on their website, they looked fine and then I noticed they were for 1/10 of a square foot amounts. Yikes! That's when I posted the follow up. I *had* though the prices were board foot or square foot for thinner stock. Jeeze, on the 3/4 (net) teak that works out to $36 per board foot. I think its about $8 at Crosscut.
And Tom, I'll be right over to borrow that Fein triangle Sander. Good to know that someone that actually owns one. It will make a good match for my Fein shop vac. ;)
(note to the non-woodworkers - Fein are great tools, but a little pricey, and yes, I sprung for the vac & a whaler)
Tom W Clark posted 01-11-2002 09:55 PM ET (US)
$36/board foot?! hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha! They really are bastards, uh, I mean bad people, now aren't they?
Taylor, you're welcome to borrow my detail sander but I guarantee you that if you do, you will run out and buy one for yourself.
For anybody who has ever tried to scrape/sand down the louvers on the Montauk/Outrage console doors, this tool is a light-year sized step ahead.
joem posted 01-11-2002 10:14 PM ET (US)
I think that you should try Stauter boat works in Mobile Al. this summer the prices were $498.00 a sheet for teak and $598.00 for mahoganey and for fur $72.00 per sheet which is what they use for all their wooden boats unless specified. Just check out the co. web site it is neat. www.stauterboats.com
joe
Dick posted 01-12-2002 01:24 AM ET (US)
Tom
Thanks for the tip on the wood sources.
I sure would love to have one of those Fein sanders but the wife has me on the tool buyers eqivalent of AA. It won't work a guy has to have tools and the more the better.
Dick
Tom W Clark posted 01-12-2002 01:43 AM ET (US)
Dick,
Take my advice and get yourself a Fein detail sander. You won't regret it. It's a specialized tool but an incredible one. You're working long hours at the boat show, you can afford it. And get yourself one of those Fein Shop vacs as well. Taylor is right, they are superb, and quiet too.
Jim Bennett posted 01-18-2002 12:23 AM ET (US)
For those looking for teak, I would strongly recommend visiting a boat salvage yard if you have one in vicinity. D McIntyre recommended that I do so to look for large louvered door to replace solid door on my 73 Outrage 21 project. I was fortunate to find 2 identical such doors in wonderful shape at Don's Salvage in St. Petersburg, FL as well as trim strips to frame the doors. This salvage yard has two large covered trailers filled with teak of all configurations including doors.

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DuckBoy	posted 01-11-2002 04:48 PM ET (US) I need to get new wood for my 17' Montauk. The boat was left in the FLA Keys for years and the wood is cracking and the grain is deep and discolored. what should I do about the wood? Buy new, make new, or fix? If buy please give me a source in West Michigan. thanks- Duck
Taylor	posted 01-11-2002 06:12 PM ET (US) We are talking teak here, right? Teak is a really resiliant wood. I'm not sure that I have a clear idea of what the sun in Florida can do, (we don't get any sun in Seattle) but the nice thing about wood is that under that awful looking exterior is a nice finish waiting to get out. You just have to go deep enough. The wood on Whalers is pretty thick to start with. I just sanded the heck out of my forward hatch cover, took about an eight of an inch off the surface and I also cut and reglued a couple of bad cracks (so its about 3/8" narrower) but it looks great. So first, some Teak Bright or simliar bleaching product, and also some heavy sanding. Teak actually sands pretty fast for a hard wood. Beat up teak sands even faster since all the cells are broken down by the weather. The louvered doors are tougher, there are lots of little places to sand. And the door and fire ext. pocket frames are dowel joined so they may need regluing. The pilot seat, though, has lots of flat spots that you can power sand. Take off all the hardware, and the side blocks and see what you can do. Actually there is not that much wood on a Montauk, and my project this winter is refinishing. Its very satisfying to putter over those little pieces. And much easier off the boat in the dark days of winter. As for teak lumber, for small amounts, I'd consider Rockler (aka The Woodworker's store). They have stores in Detroit, Chicago, and mailorder. http://www.rockler.com
Taylor	posted 01-11-2002 06:21 PM ET (US) I just double checked the teak prices at Rockler and the are pretty steep... maybe for extemely small amounts. Dang, I was using a teak scrap in my workshop last week for a jig. Gotta stop that.
lhg	posted 01-11-2002 06:26 PM ET (US) Sand first, with an orbital sander. If that doesn't work, you may have replace. But I believe the louvered doors & frames are not readily replaceable unless custom made. Fine files also work well in restoring them.
reelescape1	posted 01-11-2002 06:54 PM ET (US) Try a pressure washer for cleaning. Works wonders!
Tom W Clark	posted 01-11-2002 07:28 PM ET (US) DuckBoy, If you can afford it, have new replacement parts made. If you end up buying teak lumber do not buy it from Rockler. They cater to the hobbiest who has no idea what wood should cost. Taylor, before you ever buy anything from those Cretins at Rockler again please call me first and I'll get it for you at a contractor's discount. If you want to refinish the wood you have I suggest you stay away from power washing. It will clean it good, a little too good. Like the chemical cleaners that I also do not recommend, it will dig all the soft wood right out of the grain. It may be that you are correct that your's is too far gone, but lhg is correct that the louvered doors are going to be hard to find. The best way to strip the louvers is to scrape and then use a Fein brand detail sander. It will make quick work of it.
Taylor	posted 01-11-2002 08:20 PM ET (US) But... ummm, I am a hobbist. I've bought things from them in the past (thats embarassing) but since I got a little planer, I get most wood from Crosscut Hardwoods on 1st Ave South. Maybe I should get a sideline going building louvered doors, hatches and the like. Anyone interested?
Tom W Clark	posted 01-11-2002 08:28 PM ET (US) Taylor, I understand that you are a hobbyist. That's fine just so long as you understand you can do much better than Rockler. (I'm a little "down" on them as you can, perhaps, tell) I'm glad you've found Crossut. Compton Lumber and Edensaw Woods are two more good places that are in the same general area.
Taylor	posted 01-11-2002 09:36 PM ET (US) OK Ok, I agree. Stay away from Rockler, particularly for wood, unless you care not what it costs. I checked the prices on their website, they looked fine and then I noticed they were for 1/10 of a square foot amounts. Yikes! That's when I posted the follow up. I had though the prices were board foot or square foot for thinner stock. Jeeze, on the 3/4 (net) teak that works out to $36 per board foot. I think its about $8 at Crosscut. And Tom, I'll be right over to borrow that Fein triangle Sander. Good to know that someone that actually owns one. It will make a good match for my Fein shop vac. ;) (note to the non-woodworkers - Fein are great tools, but a little pricey, and yes, I sprung for the vac & a whaler)
Tom W Clark	posted 01-11-2002 09:55 PM ET (US) $36/board foot?! hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha! They really are bastards, uh, I mean bad people, now aren't they? Taylor, you're welcome to borrow my detail sander but I guarantee you that if you do, you will run out and buy one for yourself. For anybody who has ever tried to scrape/sand down the louvers on the Montauk/Outrage console doors, this tool is a light-year sized step ahead.
joem	posted 01-11-2002 10:14 PM ET (US) I think that you should try Stauter boat works in Mobile Al. this summer the prices were $498.00 a sheet for teak and $598.00 for mahoganey and for fur $72.00 per sheet which is what they use for all their wooden boats unless specified. Just check out the co. web site it is neat. www.stauterboats.com joe
Dick	posted 01-12-2002 01:24 AM ET (US) Tom Thanks for the tip on the wood sources. I sure would love to have one of those Fein sanders but the wife has me on the tool buyers eqivalent of AA. It won't work a guy has to have tools and the more the better. Dick
Tom W Clark	posted 01-12-2002 01:43 AM ET (US) Dick, Take my advice and get yourself a Fein detail sander. You won't regret it. It's a specialized tool but an incredible one. You're working long hours at the boat show, you can afford it. And get yourself one of those Fein Shop vacs as well. Taylor is right, they are superb, and quiet too.
Jim Bennett	posted 01-18-2002 12:23 AM ET (US) For those looking for teak, I would strongly recommend visiting a boat salvage yard if you have one in vicinity. D McIntyre recommended that I do so to look for large louvered door to replace solid door on my 73 Outrage 21 project. I was fortunate to find 2 identical such doors in wonderful shape at Don's Salvage in St. Petersburg, FL as well as trim strips to frame the doors. This salvage yard has two large covered trailers filled with teak of all configurations including doors.