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Alan Hiccock posted 04-17-2002 04:30 PM ET (US)
I see there's a recent thread about keeping norman pins shiney & it also goes into cleaning up lifting eyes.
My questions are how difficult is it to remove the lifting eyes & norman pin to clean them up ? Any "gotchas" or any tips on doing this as mine are slightly pitted, could use a cleaning.
thanks, Alan
simonmeridew posted 04-17-2002 07:27 PM ET (US)
Alan:
I took the bow eye and pin off my Montauk this past Sunday. It had been loose for a year, I don't mean ready to fall out loose, just some slopp because the hole in the bow was bigger than the pin diameter, which is incidently exactly 1/2 inch. A previous owner probably had the boat moored and the constant pulling and shifting hogged out the hole in the bow.
Anyway, I've been slightly nervous about this loose pin with my annual trip to NC Outer Banks and Ocracoke this coming weekend: this pin is what holds the boat on the trailer.
I put a pry bar in the bow eye and one on the inside eye, and turned. I figured it would snap off at the threads somewhere and turn a half hour project into a three hour marathon.
But all it did was unscrew, slightly hard at first then easy. I forced thickened West System into the bow hole, while it was still uncured put the pin back in(after spraying silicone spray on the pin)had my wife hold the bow eye with a bar and I turned the inside eye on till it snugged up. I put two stainless 1/2 inch washers on the inside before putting on the eye. Now it's [very tight] and I feel good about trailering it 2000 miles next week.
BTW the pin and eye are stainless steel, I don't know how you'll be able to shine them up, I didn't try. Just glad to get a job done that's been nagging me for the year I've owned the boat.
simonmeridew
simonmeridew posted 04-17-2002 07:29 PM ET (US)
Sorry didn't answer about the Norman Pin.
Didn't fool with it Sunday, it looks brass and probably could polish with Brasso on the boat and leave it at that.
simonmeridew
Alan Hiccock posted 04-17-2002 10:08 PM ET (US)
Capt.
So you used the same bow eye after shooting it with WD. & Ive used that West systems epoxy before pretty neat stuff, you just "cooked" a the old one back on, great..
I bet you were having second thoughts getting into it the job eh, LOL!
I'm glad it worked out, Id like to clean mine up, and check them ect..
Those things remind me of " rod ends for the custom ladder bar suspension I had on a hot rod a decade back, you always had to remove them and grease or antiseize them or they'd gall & pull out.
Not important but cant help but wonder what year your boat is, you know how old those lifting eyes or Bolts are?
thanks Capt. & have a great trip
triblet posted 04-17-2002 11:43 PM ET (US)
I loosened the bow eye on my Montauk by
hitting the bow eye roller on the trailer a
bit hard. I took it off, cleaned up,
cleaned up the fibre glass, put the threaded
rod and inside eye in place, but about three
turns short of right, put on some
4200 (see, I don't use 101 for EVERYTHING ;-)
including into the first put of the hole,
tighted up the outside eye till it was about
to make contact with the 4200, then tightened
the inside eye to pull it all home. Turned
out to be a LOT easier than I expected.
Chuck
Alan Hiccock posted 04-18-2002 06:20 PM ET (US)
Chuck, thanks for the reply. I'll be honest; I'm a little suprised these threaded rods [and] bow eyes are all reusable.
Ya know how the elements are brutal on boat hardware, etc.
Thanks, Alan
jimh posted 04-20-2002 10:33 AM ET (US)
[Changed TOPIC; was "Q.'s about removing norman pins & lifting eyes." Made minor edits to some posts--jimh.]
jimp posted 04-20-2002 09:59 PM ET (US)
Why is it that when somebody tries something, everybody has to try?
So I went out to my '68 Squall and removed the Norman pin, lifting eyes, single cleat, rudder hardware, and bow eye. All were in great shape after the Squall was used for a mailbox for the last 20 years. Now I guess the hardware will sit in the garage for the next 5-10 years as the Squall dries out (should weigh 125, weighs 484 pounds).
Maybe JimH or Tom Clark could post a picture of the boat that I sent to them.
37F and rain in Juneau, another fine spring day. King salmon in 3-weeks.
JimP
Alan Hiccock posted 04-21-2002 02:42 PM ET (US)
Jimp,
I think its good maintence. A good lubricating and cleaning of those threads and nuts will keep them from starting to corrode and the more serious problems that would come along with that.
Alan
jimp posted 04-21-2002 04:27 PM ET (US)
Allen -
Agree completely... good preventive maintenance is a must. Better to find out in the driveway than on the highway or 15-miles from the launch ramp!
JimP
Alan Hiccock posted 04-21-2002 10:16 PM ET (US)
Heck most of us have older models that still have nice gelcoats, sound hulls but 1 thing I noticed the hardware on a mint 15 yr. { or so } old boats often looks like it needs attention, I had to rebed a side rail on my '88 15 and this boat shoes close to new otherwise.
But these lifting eyes seem to have great quality to them and last longer then the average boats hardware, but then again, its a Whaler so I'm not suprised!
sargerator posted 04-22-2002 02:36 AM ET (US)
When turning thru eyes , make sure you hold outer hull fixer firm and turn inside hull nut ,outer fixer has nipples ( oooo ) that protrude into the hull to prevent rotation. I removed all lifts with little problems and reglassed and gel coated mounting areas. Also coated thru holes with epoxy and ran drill bit thru to clean and size. Buffing wheel with green compound works good, these fixers are bronze with chrome plate on my 79 Montauk.
Happy Sailing ;)
sargerator
DaveNJ posted 09-15-2002 08:31 PM ET (US)
On norman pins and lifting eyes, what is the rotation to loosen ? I have original brass from 1968.
I hoped to not pick the wrong rotation and break them. So far, I have not been able to get off.
simonmeridew posted 09-15-2002 08:52 PM ET (US)
Dave:
They have the normal thread (RH). Like I said in my original reply back in April, I was sure I'd break them off, but put someone on the outside eye with a crowbar or other stout steel rod, and another on the inside (two people total) and turn the inside one lefty loosey. It wasn't like it was rusted tight, just slightly joined at the hip.
simonmeridew

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Author	Topic: Removing Norman Pins and Lifting Eyes.
Alan Hiccock	posted 04-17-2002 04:30 PM ET (US) I see there's a recent thread about keeping norman pins shiney & it also goes into cleaning up lifting eyes. My questions are how difficult is it to remove the lifting eyes & norman pin to clean them up ? Any "gotchas" or any tips on doing this as mine are slightly pitted, could use a cleaning. thanks, Alan
simonmeridew	posted 04-17-2002 07:27 PM ET (US) Alan: I took the bow eye and pin off my Montauk this past Sunday. It had been loose for a year, I don't mean ready to fall out loose, just some slopp because the hole in the bow was bigger than the pin diameter, which is incidently exactly 1/2 inch. A previous owner probably had the boat moored and the constant pulling and shifting hogged out the hole in the bow. Anyway, I've been slightly nervous about this loose pin with my annual trip to NC Outer Banks and Ocracoke this coming weekend: this pin is what holds the boat on the trailer. I put a pry bar in the bow eye and one on the inside eye, and turned. I figured it would snap off at the threads somewhere and turn a half hour project into a three hour marathon. But all it did was unscrew, slightly hard at first then easy. I forced thickened West System into the bow hole, while it was still uncured put the pin back in(after spraying silicone spray on the pin)had my wife hold the bow eye with a bar and I turned the inside eye on till it snugged up. I put two stainless 1/2 inch washers on the inside before putting on the eye. Now it's [very tight] and I feel good about trailering it 2000 miles next week. BTW the pin and eye are stainless steel, I don't know how you'll be able to shine them up, I didn't try. Just glad to get a job done that's been nagging me for the year I've owned the boat. simonmeridew
simonmeridew	posted 04-17-2002 07:29 PM ET (US) Sorry didn't answer about the Norman Pin. Didn't fool with it Sunday, it looks brass and probably could polish with Brasso on the boat and leave it at that. simonmeridew
Alan Hiccock	posted 04-17-2002 10:08 PM ET (US) Capt. So you used the same bow eye after shooting it with WD. & Ive used that West systems epoxy before pretty neat stuff, you just "cooked" a the old one back on, great.. I bet you were having second thoughts getting into it the job eh, LOL! I'm glad it worked out, Id like to clean mine up, and check them ect.. Those things remind me of " rod ends for the custom ladder bar suspension I had on a hot rod a decade back, you always had to remove them and grease or antiseize them or they'd gall & pull out. Not important but cant help but wonder what year your boat is, you know how old those lifting eyes or Bolts are? thanks Capt. & have a great trip
triblet	posted 04-17-2002 11:43 PM ET (US) I loosened the bow eye on my Montauk by hitting the bow eye roller on the trailer a bit hard. I took it off, cleaned up, cleaned up the fibre glass, put the threaded rod and inside eye in place, but about three turns short of right, put on some 4200 (see, I don't use 101 for EVERYTHING ;-) including into the first put of the hole, tighted up the outside eye till it was about to make contact with the 4200, then tightened the inside eye to pull it all home. Turned out to be a LOT easier than I expected. Chuck
Alan Hiccock	posted 04-18-2002 06:20 PM ET (US) Chuck, thanks for the reply. I'll be honest; I'm a little suprised these threaded rods [and] bow eyes are all reusable. Ya know how the elements are brutal on boat hardware, etc. Thanks, Alan
jimh	posted 04-20-2002 10:33 AM ET (US) [Changed TOPIC; was "Q.'s about removing norman pins & lifting eyes." Made minor edits to some posts--jimh.]
jimp	posted 04-20-2002 09:59 PM ET (US) Why is it that when somebody tries something, everybody has to try? So I went out to my '68 Squall and removed the Norman pin, lifting eyes, single cleat, rudder hardware, and bow eye. All were in great shape after the Squall was used for a mailbox for the last 20 years. Now I guess the hardware will sit in the garage for the next 5-10 years as the Squall dries out (should weigh 125, weighs 484 pounds). Maybe JimH or Tom Clark could post a picture of the boat that I sent to them. 37F and rain in Juneau, another fine spring day. King salmon in 3-weeks. JimP
Alan Hiccock	posted 04-21-2002 02:42 PM ET (US) Jimp, I think its good maintence. A good lubricating and cleaning of those threads and nuts will keep them from starting to corrode and the more serious problems that would come along with that. Alan
jimp	posted 04-21-2002 04:27 PM ET (US) Allen - Agree completely... good preventive maintenance is a must. Better to find out in the driveway than on the highway or 15-miles from the launch ramp! JimP
Alan Hiccock	posted 04-21-2002 10:16 PM ET (US) Heck most of us have older models that still have nice gelcoats, sound hulls but 1 thing I noticed the hardware on a mint 15 yr. { or so } old boats often looks like it needs attention, I had to rebed a side rail on my '88 15 and this boat shoes close to new otherwise. But these lifting eyes seem to have great quality to them and last longer then the average boats hardware, but then again, its a Whaler so I'm not suprised!
sargerator	posted 04-22-2002 02:36 AM ET (US) When turning thru eyes , make sure you hold outer hull fixer firm and turn inside hull nut ,outer fixer has nipples ( oooo ) that protrude into the hull to prevent rotation. I removed all lifts with little problems and reglassed and gel coated mounting areas. Also coated thru holes with epoxy and ran drill bit thru to clean and size. Buffing wheel with green compound works good, these fixers are bronze with chrome plate on my 79 Montauk. Happy Sailing ;) sargerator
DaveNJ	posted 09-15-2002 08:31 PM ET (US) On norman pins and lifting eyes, what is the rotation to loosen ? I have original brass from 1968. I hoped to not pick the wrong rotation and break them. So far, I have not been able to get off.
simonmeridew	posted 09-15-2002 08:52 PM ET (US) Dave: They have the normal thread (RH). Like I said in my original reply back in April, I was sure I'd break them off, but put someone on the outside eye with a crowbar or other stout steel rod, and another on the inside (two people total) and turn the inside one lefty loosey. It wasn't like it was rusted tight, just slightly joined at the hip. simonmeridew