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tlynch posted 05-27-2002 10:47 PM ET (US)
Last fall I broke my steering on my 1985 Outrage 18. I took a look at the cables this weekend and they looked fine. I think I messed up a gear inside the helm because everytime I steer past straight I have to wiggle the wheel to get something lined up, then it works fine once I pass center.
My original helm was teleflex dual helm part number:
Twinhelm SH5023
I hope not to have to replace the cables as they are in pretty good shape and are expensive. I belive that the replacement part is
Teleflex SH4920P
Has anyone done this? Does anyone have a cheap place to order this from? Westmarine does not seem to have it in their catalogue. Any advice would help.
Thanks,
Todd Lynch
lhg posted 05-28-2002 06:09 PM ET (US)
Try Shoreway Marine 800-443-5408. Best prices around for Teleflex steering items.
They show a twin cable steering head for $171, part #SH5294. (on page 171 in their catalog)
But if it were me, I would get rid of the twin cable system, which is not being used any longer. You can get an entire Teleflex front mount hydraulic system for $825. (page 170) This will transform the handling of your boat. I did this on my 18 Outrage, and it was the smartest thing I ever did. You may need Teleflex's adaptor dash plate for this conversion, since the new unit only takes a 3" hole.
tlynch posted 05-29-2002 12:27 PM ET (US)
A response I got from teleflex:
No, the cables will not work with a different helm...the SH5075 Helm was
discontinued several years ago...we replace the entire system with a SS148 kit.
Fortunately....
tlynch posted 05-29-2002 12:34 PM ET (US)
A very kind forum member has offered me his old unit. I am picking it up this Saturday.
My existing cables are already in place and seem to be in ok shape so I first plan to try to use the new helm with my existing cables.
THE QUESTION:
How do I get the ends of the cables (2) back into the new helm? Do I just line them up with the gears and start turning the wheel? Which way should my engine be turned when I start? When do I apply grease and how? Do I have to remove the engine end, put the helm together, then put back to gether the engine end?
Thanks,
Todd Lynch
where2 posted 05-29-2002 12:36 PM ET (US)
If the OR's got less than a 150Hp engine, replace it with a Teleflex Baystar hydraulic system, they're only $650.
tlynch posted 05-29-2002 01:28 PM ET (US)
I bought the boat last summer and used it as it was. This spring I am fixing many things up and pouring a bit of money into it. Because of this, I can't afford the hydraulic steering at this moment, Maybe if nothing breaks this summer I will do it next spring, sounds like it is the way to go.
It has a 150 Johnson, and $650 is tempting, but I should keep some money in the bank!
Todd
crashq posted 05-29-2002 02:25 PM ET (US)
Is there some reason why the Teleflex Baystar? Is it mainly price, do you have any experience with this setup?
Dick posted 05-29-2002 11:33 PM ET (US)
The Teleflex Sea Star hydraulic steering is the most widly used recreational boat hydraulic steering system. It has been around for many years and rebuild parts are available.
Cabela's has them for under $900.00, out of my shop they wold be around $1,100.00.
Teleflex does not make a Baystar system unless it came out since I got my 2002 dealer book.
A few years ago I had a tour of the factory in Vancouver BC, state of the art.
Dick
hauptjm posted 05-30-2002 09:24 AM ET (US)
One more testamonial. I've got the Sea Star system on my 18OR. It was installed in '95, and with very, very little maintenence, it has performed perfectly. I wouldn't do without it. The Johnson 150 can be a bear, but the Sea Star makes it feel like a power steering system.
where2 posted 05-30-2002 12:51 PM ET (US)
Baystar is a BRAND NEW system,
http://www.seastarsteering.com/BAYSTAR/baystar.htm
If you've got a couple hundred $$$ you want to give away, I'll give you my address... Street prices on the Baystar are running around $600 at SurplusUnlimited.
Experience: still waiting to hear from my uncle who has one on order from Teleflex. Best thing I heard was that the hoses are user cut to fit, rather than having non-spliceable ends like Seastar. I agree, Seastar is a great system, but if you can get all the good things of the Seastar system for $600, why spend the extra money?
tlynch posted 05-30-2002 01:43 PM ET (US)
I found this interesting:
* BayStar is not suitable for certain high performance 150 HP engines. Contact Teleflex (Canada) Ltd. for details.
I doubt that my 1985 Johnson 150 is 'high performance' but someday I may save enough to buy a new engine - it would be a waste if I needed to get new steering as well.
Thanks for the info anyway - it looks like a great option for a Montauk though.
Anyway - I don't even have $600 to spend on the steering!
Could anyone tell me how to install a new (used) helm with my old cables?
Thanks,
Todd Lynch
tlynch posted 06-11-2002 12:49 PM ET (US)
Got a used teleflex helm installed this weekend, it is working well.
For anyone who is interested the SeaStar Hydraulic system can be had for $725 at surplus unlimited.
https://www.surplusunlimited.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=1&Category_Code=2300-10
outoffuel posted 06-03-2008 01:34 PM ET (US)
I dont know if I can help ive had this twice now, if you havent taken the help apart yet you need to, to see if its the racks with a bad spot or the pinion with a bad tooth
I have worked with morris and dex cables in the past both times it was the rack and on the dex the cables are a one time crimp and do not come off. I will have to agree on the baystar for the bass boat im running now when I bought it home the cables were locked up. Not having a free space to pull the 150 johnson and only having a 3" hole in the splashwell for the cables fuel lines and all wiring I know getting the 1 1/8 nuts though there was going to be a lot of work not to mention the cables though the hull with the price of a kit and labor it was $200.00 more than the baystar and it went in fairly easy. When I order my last month there was only two 150hp high per motors that this wouldnt work on and i dont know about you but if I were getting a new motor with the price of gas I would stay around 120hp

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Author	Topic: Teleflex Steering Helm 1985 Outrage 18
tlynch	posted 05-27-2002 10:47 PM ET (US) Last fall I broke my steering on my 1985 Outrage 18. I took a look at the cables this weekend and they looked fine. I think I messed up a gear inside the helm because everytime I steer past straight I have to wiggle the wheel to get something lined up, then it works fine once I pass center. My original helm was teleflex dual helm part number: Twinhelm SH5023 I hope not to have to replace the cables as they are in pretty good shape and are expensive. I belive that the replacement part is Teleflex SH4920P Has anyone done this? Does anyone have a cheap place to order this from? Westmarine does not seem to have it in their catalogue. Any advice would help. Thanks, Todd Lynch
lhg	posted 05-28-2002 06:09 PM ET (US) Try Shoreway Marine 800-443-5408. Best prices around for Teleflex steering items. They show a twin cable steering head for $171, part #SH5294. (on page 171 in their catalog) But if it were me, I would get rid of the twin cable system, which is not being used any longer. You can get an entire Teleflex front mount hydraulic system for $825. (page 170) This will transform the handling of your boat. I did this on my 18 Outrage, and it was the smartest thing I ever did. You may need Teleflex's adaptor dash plate for this conversion, since the new unit only takes a 3" hole.
tlynch	posted 05-29-2002 12:27 PM ET (US) A response I got from teleflex: No, the cables will not work with a different helm...the SH5075 Helm was discontinued several years ago...we replace the entire system with a SS148 kit. Fortunately....
tlynch	posted 05-29-2002 12:34 PM ET (US) A very kind forum member has offered me his old unit. I am picking it up this Saturday. My existing cables are already in place and seem to be in ok shape so I first plan to try to use the new helm with my existing cables. THE QUESTION: How do I get the ends of the cables (2) back into the new helm? Do I just line them up with the gears and start turning the wheel? Which way should my engine be turned when I start? When do I apply grease and how? Do I have to remove the engine end, put the helm together, then put back to gether the engine end? Thanks, Todd Lynch
where2	posted 05-29-2002 12:36 PM ET (US) If the OR's got less than a 150Hp engine, replace it with a Teleflex Baystar hydraulic system, they're only $650.
tlynch	posted 05-29-2002 01:28 PM ET (US) I bought the boat last summer and used it as it was. This spring I am fixing many things up and pouring a bit of money into it. Because of this, I can't afford the hydraulic steering at this moment, Maybe if nothing breaks this summer I will do it next spring, sounds like it is the way to go. It has a 150 Johnson, and $650 is tempting, but I should keep some money in the bank! Todd
crashq	posted 05-29-2002 02:25 PM ET (US) Is there some reason why the Teleflex Baystar? Is it mainly price, do you have any experience with this setup?
Dick	posted 05-29-2002 11:33 PM ET (US) The Teleflex Sea Star hydraulic steering is the most widly used recreational boat hydraulic steering system. It has been around for many years and rebuild parts are available. Cabela's has them for under $900.00, out of my shop they wold be around $1,100.00. Teleflex does not make a Baystar system unless it came out since I got my 2002 dealer book. A few years ago I had a tour of the factory in Vancouver BC, state of the art. Dick
hauptjm	posted 05-30-2002 09:24 AM ET (US) One more testamonial. I've got the Sea Star system on my 18OR. It was installed in '95, and with very, very little maintenence, it has performed perfectly. I wouldn't do without it. The Johnson 150 can be a bear, but the Sea Star makes it feel like a power steering system.
where2	posted 05-30-2002 12:51 PM ET (US) Baystar is a BRAND NEW system, http://www.seastarsteering.com/BAYSTAR/baystar.htm If you've got a couple hundred $$$ you want to give away, I'll give you my address... Street prices on the Baystar are running around $600 at SurplusUnlimited. Experience: still waiting to hear from my uncle who has one on order from Teleflex. Best thing I heard was that the hoses are user cut to fit, rather than having non-spliceable ends like Seastar. I agree, Seastar is a great system, but if you can get all the good things of the Seastar system for $600, why spend the extra money?
tlynch	posted 05-30-2002 01:43 PM ET (US) I found this interesting: * BayStar is not suitable for certain high performance 150 HP engines. Contact Teleflex (Canada) Ltd. for details. I doubt that my 1985 Johnson 150 is 'high performance' but someday I may save enough to buy a new engine - it would be a waste if I needed to get new steering as well. Thanks for the info anyway - it looks like a great option for a Montauk though. Anyway - I don't even have $600 to spend on the steering! Could anyone tell me how to install a new (used) helm with my old cables? Thanks, Todd Lynch
tlynch	posted 06-11-2002 12:49 PM ET (US) Got a used teleflex helm installed this weekend, it is working well. For anyone who is interested the SeaStar Hydraulic system can be had for $725 at surplus unlimited. https://www.surplusunlimited.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=1&Category_Code=2300-10
outoffuel	posted 06-03-2008 01:34 PM ET (US) I dont know if I can help ive had this twice now, if you havent taken the help apart yet you need to, to see if its the racks with a bad spot or the pinion with a bad tooth I have worked with morris and dex cables in the past both times it was the rack and on the dex the cables are a one time crimp and do not come off. I will have to agree on the baystar for the bass boat im running now when I bought it home the cables were locked up. Not having a free space to pull the 150 johnson and only having a 3" hole in the splashwell for the cables fuel lines and all wiring I know getting the 1 1/8 nuts though there was going to be a lot of work not to mention the cables though the hull with the price of a kit and labor it was $200.00 more than the baystar and it went in fairly easy. When I order my last month there was only two 150hp high per motors that this wouldnt work on and i dont know about you but if I were getting a new motor with the price of gas I would stay around 120hp