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Alpa posted 08-15-2002 03:51 PM ET (US)
Hi, I have a 13' Whaler circa 1970 ? The steering is on the right side and the steering is done with a pully system. Is the pully system illegal ? If it is, can I purchase a system to replace it , and is it difficult to replace ? I am told that my best bet is to convert to the new Teleflex rotary steering system.I am pretty competant and feel that I can do this with good instructions. Where would I buy the replacement parts and would you know the approximate cost ? Please send any applicable information.... Thank you ..Al
DaveH posted 08-15-2002 04:26 PM ET (US)
Al:
This URL will take you to the Teleflex site and describe the Baystar hydraulic system. If you explore here, installation instructions for for Teleflex and Baystar system can be downloaded. The Baystar is around $ 650 retail and probably overkill for the 13'. I haven't priced a Teleflex in 10 years so hopefully someone can help out there.
http://www.seastarsteering.com/BAYSTAR/baystar.htm
JFM posted 08-15-2002 04:30 PM ET (US)
Al,
The old cables are not legal for a dealer to replace. However if you want to do it yourself you can. Here is some info from a past thread http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/00223.html
JFM posted 08-15-2002 04:33 PM ET (US)
Try this http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/002230.html
Regards, Jay
jimp posted 08-15-2002 06:53 PM ET (US)
Alpa -
I grew up with a '63 Sport with cable steering. It works fine. The cable is fairly easy to replace. I have no idea why somebody would consider it illegal, but if it is not serviceable, replace it. If you want new technology, get the fancy $650 stuff, but the plastic covered wire cable is much cheaper and usually lasts several seasons. Make sure it stays tight (easy to do with pliers).
JimP
AC posted 08-15-2002 08:26 PM ET (US)
Keep the pulley steering...keep it original...keep it classic...keep it's character...keep a conversation piece!
"What we call 'progress' is the exchange of one nuisance for another nuisance."
-Havelock Ellis
Dick posted 08-15-2002 08:50 PM ET (US)
Alpa
The cable and pulley system is not illegal. All parts for the system except the steering drum are still available. The drum was discontinued by the manufacturer about 10 years ago for liability reasons.
You can replace the system with a Teleflex rotary steering kit for under $200.00 and with a little mechanical aptitude installation is easy.
Tom W Clark posted 08-16-2002 01:25 AM ET (US)
Al,
As Dick correctly points out, there is nothing illegal about the cable and pulley steering. The parts are still available and they are not expensive.
If you were starting from scratch the I would recommend installing a mechanical system. They are much cleaner and easier to install initially. But you are already set up for cable and pulleys. You should just replace the pulleys and cable and make sure it is adjusted properly. You’ll maintain that classic look too.
The fact of the matter is that a properly set up cable and pulley steering system is tighter and more precise than a mechanical steering system.
If you do want to convert your steering it will not cost much in parts though you’ll spend a bit more time on it. For a good deal right here on the FORUM see: [url]http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002452.html [/url]
The biggest hassle will be filling in all the old screw and bolt holes from the pulleys.
JFM posted 08-16-2002 10:59 AM ET (US)
Guys,
I got news for you, they are illegal in Oh., Ky., and In., for a dealer to replace or hook back up. You can replace them yourself and as OEM they are legal to have.
I just went through this with my 1972 13.
I had a dealer mount my 2000 Yamaha 40 4stk., I had to hook the steering back up. Stupid, but that's a fact Jack!
Regards, Jay
Bigshot posted 08-16-2002 12:50 PM ET (US)
i hate pulley steering. You have to turn like 10 turns lock to lock vs 3 for a cable....why would anyone want one?
Lagged posted 08-17-2002 10:11 PM ET (US)
I put teleflex NFB in my 13. Had to make a bracket to get enough clearence due to the curved transom, and the cable was hard to bvend, but it was worth it.

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Author	Topic: replacing pully system
Alpa	posted 08-15-2002 03:51 PM ET (US) Hi, I have a 13' Whaler circa 1970 ? The steering is on the right side and the steering is done with a pully system. Is the pully system illegal ? If it is, can I purchase a system to replace it , and is it difficult to replace ? I am told that my best bet is to convert to the new Teleflex rotary steering system.I am pretty competant and feel that I can do this with good instructions. Where would I buy the replacement parts and would you know the approximate cost ? Please send any applicable information.... Thank you ..Al
DaveH	posted 08-15-2002 04:26 PM ET (US) Al: This URL will take you to the Teleflex site and describe the Baystar hydraulic system. If you explore here, installation instructions for for Teleflex and Baystar system can be downloaded. The Baystar is around $ 650 retail and probably overkill for the 13'. I haven't priced a Teleflex in 10 years so hopefully someone can help out there. http://www.seastarsteering.com/BAYSTAR/baystar.htm
JFM	posted 08-15-2002 04:30 PM ET (US) Al, The old cables are not legal for a dealer to replace. However if you want to do it yourself you can. Here is some info from a past thread http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/00223.html
JFM	posted 08-15-2002 04:33 PM ET (US) Try this http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/002230.html Regards, Jay
jimp	posted 08-15-2002 06:53 PM ET (US) Alpa - I grew up with a '63 Sport with cable steering. It works fine. The cable is fairly easy to replace. I have no idea why somebody would consider it illegal, but if it is not serviceable, replace it. If you want new technology, get the fancy $650 stuff, but the plastic covered wire cable is much cheaper and usually lasts several seasons. Make sure it stays tight (easy to do with pliers). JimP
AC	posted 08-15-2002 08:26 PM ET (US) Keep the pulley steering...keep it original...keep it classic...keep it's character...keep a conversation piece! "What we call 'progress' is the exchange of one nuisance for another nuisance." -Havelock Ellis
Dick	posted 08-15-2002 08:50 PM ET (US) Alpa The cable and pulley system is not illegal. All parts for the system except the steering drum are still available. The drum was discontinued by the manufacturer about 10 years ago for liability reasons. You can replace the system with a Teleflex rotary steering kit for under $200.00 and with a little mechanical aptitude installation is easy.
Tom W Clark	posted 08-16-2002 01:25 AM ET (US) Al, As Dick correctly points out, there is nothing illegal about the cable and pulley steering. The parts are still available and they are not expensive. If you were starting from scratch the I would recommend installing a mechanical system. They are much cleaner and easier to install initially. But you are already set up for cable and pulleys. You should just replace the pulleys and cable and make sure it is adjusted properly. You’ll maintain that classic look too. The fact of the matter is that a properly set up cable and pulley steering system is tighter and more precise than a mechanical steering system. If you do want to convert your steering it will not cost much in parts though you’ll spend a bit more time on it. For a good deal right here on the FORUM see: [url]http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002452.html [/url] The biggest hassle will be filling in all the old screw and bolt holes from the pulleys.
JFM	posted 08-16-2002 10:59 AM ET (US) Guys, I got news for you, they are illegal in Oh., Ky., and In., for a dealer to replace or hook back up. You can replace them yourself and as OEM they are legal to have. I just went through this with my 1972 13. I had a dealer mount my 2000 Yamaha 40 4stk., I had to hook the steering back up. Stupid, but that's a fact Jack! Regards, Jay
Bigshot	posted 08-16-2002 12:50 PM ET (US) i hate pulley steering. You have to turn like 10 turns lock to lock vs 3 for a cable....why would anyone want one?
Lagged	posted 08-17-2002 10:11 PM ET (US) I put teleflex NFB in my 13. Had to make a bracket to get enough clearence due to the curved transom, and the cable was hard to bvend, but it was worth it.