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Ben posted 11-13-2002 08:21 AM ET (US)
I keep my two whalers (13 and 21) in the back yard. Our new Golden Retreiver puppy (7 months old now) has chewed the trailor light harness on each boat 3 times - thank goodness the replacement part is only a couple dollars - but gets me more mad than goint to hook up the boat and no harness. Any suggestions - besides get rid of the dog. From what I understand - dogs love trailer wires.
jameso posted 11-13-2002 08:40 AM ET (US)
Get electric fence charger, energize a harness with it, puppy takes a bite, no more problems.
Don't tell PETA,
Jim
Sixer posted 11-13-2002 08:55 AM ET (US)
Put some hot sauce on the harness. And buy the pup a nylabone. If it doesn't chew the harness, it'll be something else.
Bigshot posted 11-13-2002 09:29 AM ET (US)
Bitter apple. It is like vaseline but really bitter. It won't wash off like hot sauce being outside. Get him/her a bone too.
Dr T posted 11-13-2002 10:33 AM ET (US)
Encase the wiring in conduit. It would have to be metal. The plastic would just slow him down.
Get one of the "fence-less" electric fences. It consists of a buried cable and electric shock collar. Enclose the area where you want the dog to stay (or stay away from) and put the collar on. When he tries to cross the line, the collar will let him know. I think Cabelas carries these. It is a bit more humane than the electric fence.
whalerron posted 11-13-2002 12:17 PM ET (US)
When I am done with the trailer for the day, I tuck the harness up into the trailer tongue. I feed the connector up into the tongue and keep pushing until the wiring is no longer visible. When I get ready to use the trailer, I just pull the harness back out of the tongue. This method protects the harness from my Lab, my young kids, the neighbor's young kids and it also stops the UV deterioration that comes from the wiring hanging out in the sun.
Hobie1981 posted 11-13-2002 12:20 PM ET (US)
Bitter apple comes as either a liquid (pump spray) or paste (tube). Our golden hates the stuff.
How old is your pup, if over 6 months than you can use rawhide chews, to address her chewing needs. Make sure they are made in the USA. The foreign rawhide mfgrs use arsenic which is banned for domestic mfgrs, in their processes. Don't know why they can sell the stuff here. :-)
Dogs love boats....
Hobie, Nutmeg and Gingers "Dad"
Ben posted 11-13-2002 03:27 PM ET (US)
Thanks for all the great replies. Looks like a trip to the store tonight.
Sammy posted 11-14-2002 09:04 AM ET (US)
Ben,
One other 'chewy' suggestion....
Try a "Bully Stick". Our now 10-month-old lab loves them. When I asked the older saleslady what it was made of, she looked at me, then at my 10-year-old daughter, then back to me and said "Well...it's a dried bull's penis".
After a short pause to reflect, I told her that sort of gave me the creeps. She laughed and said "That's what all the guys say".
They are American-made and definitely the favorite for our mutt. We keep lots of chews around and have never had a problem with her. Maybe just lucky. sammy.
keltonkrew posted 11-14-2002 05:24 PM ET (US)
I have a lab http://users3.ev1.net/~keltonkrew/pets.htm

Mine has been through obedience school. Sent her off for 4 weeks. Labs are great dogs but can be very destructive. From my research, the best method of training a lab is with a rolled up newspaper or magazine. Everytime the lab gets into something or tears something up (they love to dig), get out the rolled up newspaper and hit YOURSELF over the head and say "I should have been watching my dog!" Say this over and over while hitting the top of YOUR head.
When I can't watch my dog, she is in a kennel (dog run). If you speak to many reputable trainers, they will recommend this. Now that she is almost 2, I leave her out more on her own (many hours at a time) and so far (fingers crossed) she hasn't eaten the siding off my house or torn up my wife's flowers.
You will love your lab. Give her lots of love and attention. They will do anything for attention or food. Don't let her get too fat. Labs have a tendency to get "healthy" due to their appetite. This is one of the reasons they are so easy to train.

food food food. Big driver for them
WhalerGFar posted 11-14-2002 08:38 PM ET (US)
You guys are missing the obvious solution. Move the cars out of the garage and put the Whalers inside where they deserve to be and while your at it...put the Golden in your bed where she deserves to be.
"you know what you call an intellagent blonde?....A Goldern Reteiver..
WhalerGoFar
triblet posted 11-15-2002 12:00 AM ET (US)
Dog obedience school is more about training
you than the canine. Sending a dog away to
obedience school is, ah, not very effective.
My Newfoundlands don't chew anything they
aren't given to chew. I trained them (weekly
classes for quite a while), not some absentee
master.
Catch Fido in the act, grab him by the face,
get in his face, and make sure it's really
clear that the Alpha is mad. You are their
Alpha, you are their source of food. What
you gotta do is make it real clear that the
Alpha expects nothing less than complete
respect. And you'll get it. The WANT to
know who the Alpha is.
Gotta go feed the Newfs.
Fill the bowls.
Beau, SIT. Abby, SIT.
Put the bowls down.
Wait five seconds,
say OK.
NOW they can chow down.

Chuck
Sammy posted 11-15-2002 12:17 AM ET (US)
triblet,
Very well put. I know this wandering off topic, but I'd add that after getting in Fido's face when caught in the act - chewing for example - then give the pooch something it should be chewing and praise it.
Make it very clear what's not acceptable, then show them what is acceptable.
My wife still doesn't get how that works...with the dog, that is.
keltonkrew posted 11-15-2002 07:54 AM ET (US)
I'll disagree that sending the dog away is not effective. I think it depends on who you send it to.
The trainer I used doesn't believe in force training, but rather praise, food, etc. My dog works off of voice and hand signals. The trainer left us with a video of how he trains, what we should learn, etc. In fact, he recommended that we speak (give commands) softly to the dog as loud upset voices stress the dog. Only time to use loud voice is in discipline like NO!
Everyone that has been around my dog compliments me on how well behaved she is. There have been 8 people who have sent this trainer their dogs after seeing mine and all are extremely satisfied with the training.
True, there are a lot of fly by night trainers so research and recommendations are a must. It was hard to give up my dog for 4 weeks, but if I had to do it over, I would do it again and again.
triblet posted 11-15-2002 09:43 AM ET (US)
After five years, Admiral Linda still ASKS the
dogs to do things instead of TELLing them.
So they often ignore her.
I agree that praise is important.
Big deep voice (as in growling) for correction,
higher voice for praise.
The dog that was sent away will drift back into
bad habits because right now he's better trained
than you are.
This is on topic. My whaler is named Black
Dog. ;-) (Not to be confused with blackdog
who sometimes hangs out here).

Chuck
JimU posted 11-15-2002 10:32 AM ET (US)
Get an electric training collar. Lead him to the trailer wires. Then light him up. Won't take more than a couple of time to teach him the trailer is a no no.
Whaler Proud posted 11-16-2002 12:14 PM ET (US)
My wife insisted on getting a Lab a year ago last summer. He was cute, I looked forward to hunting with him and the kids loved him.
The back yard almost died this past summer. Can't water it because the dog chewed up all of my sprinklers, hoses and even the lawnmower (I left it out for just a little bit). I bought him a real nice Dogloo but he decided to live in the "fort" section of the kids playset (he climbs the ladder to get in and uses the slide to get out. Really.). The Dogloo now houses the kid's balls and other toys since it is the only safe place from the dog. I built a run on the side of the house but he has managed to dig escape tunnels. I'll be pouring a concrete footing around it this spring. My gas grill no longer has a handle on the lid and the lawn furniture now graces the garage.
My experience with dogs is that they require attention. Bird dog breeds to require more than most. When they get bored they look for things to play with and chew. A Golden we had several years ago loved wires. I couldn't break him of it even when he got himself "juiced" and knocked out. It seems like he was more determined to win against the wire.
Fence the Whalers. Better yet, cover the Whalers with a carport and fence the carport in. The boats will love you for it, the dog can tear up the rest of your property, your family won't be mad because you got rid of the dog and you'll sleep better at night knowing that the important things are protected.

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Ben	posted 11-13-2002 08:21 AM ET (US) I keep my two whalers (13 and 21) in the back yard. Our new Golden Retreiver puppy (7 months old now) has chewed the trailor light harness on each boat 3 times - thank goodness the replacement part is only a couple dollars - but gets me more mad than goint to hook up the boat and no harness. Any suggestions - besides get rid of the dog. From what I understand - dogs love trailer wires.
jameso	posted 11-13-2002 08:40 AM ET (US) Get electric fence charger, energize a harness with it, puppy takes a bite, no more problems. Don't tell PETA, Jim
Sixer	posted 11-13-2002 08:55 AM ET (US) Put some hot sauce on the harness. And buy the pup a nylabone. If it doesn't chew the harness, it'll be something else.
Bigshot	posted 11-13-2002 09:29 AM ET (US) Bitter apple. It is like vaseline but really bitter. It won't wash off like hot sauce being outside. Get him/her a bone too.
Dr T	posted 11-13-2002 10:33 AM ET (US) Encase the wiring in conduit. It would have to be metal. The plastic would just slow him down. Get one of the "fence-less" electric fences. It consists of a buried cable and electric shock collar. Enclose the area where you want the dog to stay (or stay away from) and put the collar on. When he tries to cross the line, the collar will let him know. I think Cabelas carries these. It is a bit more humane than the electric fence.
whalerron	posted 11-13-2002 12:17 PM ET (US) When I am done with the trailer for the day, I tuck the harness up into the trailer tongue. I feed the connector up into the tongue and keep pushing until the wiring is no longer visible. When I get ready to use the trailer, I just pull the harness back out of the tongue. This method protects the harness from my Lab, my young kids, the neighbor's young kids and it also stops the UV deterioration that comes from the wiring hanging out in the sun.
Hobie1981	posted 11-13-2002 12:20 PM ET (US) Bitter apple comes as either a liquid (pump spray) or paste (tube). Our golden hates the stuff. How old is your pup, if over 6 months than you can use rawhide chews, to address her chewing needs. Make sure they are made in the USA. The foreign rawhide mfgrs use arsenic which is banned for domestic mfgrs, in their processes. Don't know why they can sell the stuff here. :-) Dogs love boats.... Hobie, Nutmeg and Gingers "Dad"
Ben	posted 11-13-2002 03:27 PM ET (US) Thanks for all the great replies. Looks like a trip to the store tonight.
Sammy	posted 11-14-2002 09:04 AM ET (US) Ben, One other 'chewy' suggestion.... Try a "Bully Stick". Our now 10-month-old lab loves them. When I asked the older saleslady what it was made of, she looked at me, then at my 10-year-old daughter, then back to me and said "Well...it's a dried bull's penis". After a short pause to reflect, I told her that sort of gave me the creeps. She laughed and said "That's what all the guys say". They are American-made and definitely the favorite for our mutt. We keep lots of chews around and have never had a problem with her. Maybe just lucky. sammy.
keltonkrew	posted 11-14-2002 05:24 PM ET (US) I have a lab http://users3.ev1.net/~keltonkrew/pets.htm Mine has been through obedience school. Sent her off for 4 weeks. Labs are great dogs but can be very destructive. From my research, the best method of training a lab is with a rolled up newspaper or magazine. Everytime the lab gets into something or tears something up (they love to dig), get out the rolled up newspaper and hit YOURSELF over the head and say "I should have been watching my dog!" Say this over and over while hitting the top of YOUR head. When I can't watch my dog, she is in a kennel (dog run). If you speak to many reputable trainers, they will recommend this. Now that she is almost 2, I leave her out more on her own (many hours at a time) and so far (fingers crossed) she hasn't eaten the siding off my house or torn up my wife's flowers. You will love your lab. Give her lots of love and attention. They will do anything for attention or food. Don't let her get too fat. Labs have a tendency to get "healthy" due to their appetite. This is one of the reasons they are so easy to train. food food food. Big driver for them
WhalerGFar	posted 11-14-2002 08:38 PM ET (US) You guys are missing the obvious solution. Move the cars out of the garage and put the Whalers inside where they deserve to be and while your at it...put the Golden in your bed where she deserves to be. "you know what you call an intellagent blonde?....A Goldern Reteiver.. WhalerGoFar
triblet	posted 11-15-2002 12:00 AM ET (US) Dog obedience school is more about training you than the canine. Sending a dog away to obedience school is, ah, not very effective. My Newfoundlands don't chew anything they aren't given to chew. I trained them (weekly classes for quite a while), not some absentee master. Catch Fido in the act, grab him by the face, get in his face, and make sure it's really clear that the Alpha is mad. You are their Alpha, you are their source of food. What you gotta do is make it real clear that the Alpha expects nothing less than complete respect. And you'll get it. The WANT to know who the Alpha is. Gotta go feed the Newfs. Fill the bowls. Beau, SIT. Abby, SIT. Put the bowls down. Wait five seconds, say OK. NOW they can chow down. Chuck
Sammy	posted 11-15-2002 12:17 AM ET (US) triblet, Very well put. I know this wandering off topic, but I'd add that after getting in Fido's face when caught in the act - chewing for example - then give the pooch something it should be chewing and praise it. Make it very clear what's not acceptable, then show them what is acceptable. My wife still doesn't get how that works...with the dog, that is.
keltonkrew	posted 11-15-2002 07:54 AM ET (US) I'll disagree that sending the dog away is not effective. I think it depends on who you send it to. The trainer I used doesn't believe in force training, but rather praise, food, etc. My dog works off of voice and hand signals. The trainer left us with a video of how he trains, what we should learn, etc. In fact, he recommended that we speak (give commands) softly to the dog as loud upset voices stress the dog. Only time to use loud voice is in discipline like NO! Everyone that has been around my dog compliments me on how well behaved she is. There have been 8 people who have sent this trainer their dogs after seeing mine and all are extremely satisfied with the training. True, there are a lot of fly by night trainers so research and recommendations are a must. It was hard to give up my dog for 4 weeks, but if I had to do it over, I would do it again and again.
triblet	posted 11-15-2002 09:43 AM ET (US) After five years, Admiral Linda still ASKS the dogs to do things instead of TELLing them. So they often ignore her. I agree that praise is important. Big deep voice (as in growling) for correction, higher voice for praise. The dog that was sent away will drift back into bad habits because right now he's better trained than you are. This is on topic. My whaler is named Black Dog. ;-) (Not to be confused with blackdog who sometimes hangs out here). Chuck
JimU	posted 11-15-2002 10:32 AM ET (US) Get an electric training collar. Lead him to the trailer wires. Then light him up. Won't take more than a couple of time to teach him the trailer is a no no.
Whaler Proud	posted 11-16-2002 12:14 PM ET (US) My wife insisted on getting a Lab a year ago last summer. He was cute, I looked forward to hunting with him and the kids loved him. The back yard almost died this past summer. Can't water it because the dog chewed up all of my sprinklers, hoses and even the lawnmower (I left it out for just a little bit). I bought him a real nice Dogloo but he decided to live in the "fort" section of the kids playset (he climbs the ladder to get in and uses the slide to get out. Really.). The Dogloo now houses the kid's balls and other toys since it is the only safe place from the dog. I built a run on the side of the house but he has managed to dig escape tunnels. I'll be pouring a concrete footing around it this spring. My gas grill no longer has a handle on the lid and the lawn furniture now graces the garage. My experience with dogs is that they require attention. Bird dog breeds to require more than most. When they get bored they look for things to play with and chew. A Golden we had several years ago loved wires. I couldn't break him of it even when he got himself "juiced" and knocked out. It seems like he was more determined to win against the wire. Fence the Whalers. Better yet, cover the Whalers with a carport and fence the carport in. The boats will love you for it, the dog can tear up the rest of your property, your family won't be mad because you got rid of the dog and you'll sleep better at night knowing that the important things are protected.