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j abrams posted 12-17-2002 03:27 AM ET (US)
[T]his should drive some of the pure classic owners nuts!! [I am] living in the north east and getting older. [I] need to get out of the weather. [I] have 1971 21-Outrage. [I] haven't found frames or canvas for the old girl. [I] think the pilot house might look a little cool.
[I] need info on an after market pilot house.
shoctor posted 12-17-2002 10:19 AM ET (US)
The pilot house is a great idea. They work wonders I would just get one big enough to move around in.
Shane
Look in some of the commercial magazines or boatbuilders for one as they are pretty common
andygere posted 12-17-2002 11:13 AM ET (US)
I'm pretty sure that Mills makes the full forward shelter/flying top/curtain set for your boat. I have also seen fiberglass cabins retrofit onto these hulls. I believe they were made for a time by Radon boats in Southern California. Here's a photo of one:
http://coastside.juicyweb.com/albums/boats/Willy_the_Whaler.jpg
captbone posted 12-17-2002 02:13 PM ET (US)
the problem with curtain/bimini top is in 5 years they need to be replaced
bsmotril posted 12-17-2002 02:31 PM ET (US)
A buddy of mine fabricated one for his pontoon boat using a Porta Potti for the house. It helps to have a steam cleaner and Sawzall. If was functional, and made a statement as to just what kind of guy he was. We thereafter named the boat S.O.S. If you have experience with army chipped beef, you know to which I refer. Don't know if it would meet the whaler level of fit and finish though. Check out the adds in the back of National Fisherman magazine. They cater to commercial fisher people and I have seen regular adds there for comapanies that make houses, hatches, windows, leaningposts, etc.
BillS
Tom W Clark posted 12-17-2002 02:46 PM ET (US)
j abrams,
Here's a very nice looking and modestly sized pilot house built by Maritime Skiff: http://maritimeskiff.com/acc/acc_19.html
Maritime Skiff is owned and operated by Paul Hureau who used to work for Whaler's Commercial products Division. I'm sure they would have a great deal of knowledge about whether or not the integration of their pilot house and your boat could be easily accomplished.
John W posted 12-17-2002 03:03 PM ET (US)
Please tell me you're not going to trash the original teak console in favor of a commercial fiberglass pilot house! If your boat isn't "original" now, I can understand how a pilothouse would make sense...but if your outrage is original, please keep it that way! Not many 70-72 original outrages out there. (I'd love to own one).
I would suggest a stainless 4 bow bimini top with eisenglass zip-out enclosures. It will cost a lot but so will a new pilothouse. It will keep the boat (almost) original but will provide more weather protection than the original mills "flying top". A good custom canvas shop can build a wonderful bimini enclosure, and it will keep the rest of the boat original. Plus you can take it down on warm days.
j abrams posted 12-18-2002 12:21 AM ET (US)
thanks for the info. i really didn't expect that many replys. i guess i'm not the only one thats starting to feel his age. mills does not make the canvas set for the early whalers any more. they were kind enough to sent me the prints and layout for the flying canvas. the reason for the pilot house is to keep the walk around. with a flying set this is not possible. i may be old but still enjoy striper fishing. thank again will check into the info and keep everyone posted. the console is not origanal.

andygere posted 12-18-2002 01:18 AM ET (US)
The Mills canvas on my Montauk was made in 1983, and it still looks like new....a little better life than 5 years. The life of a canvas set depends on how well it is cared for.
captbone posted 12-18-2002 08:40 AM ET (US)
unless you get "insaglass" which is that thick new unfoldable windows you will have to replace those windows on a canvas every few years. Try seeing thru them at night after 5 years.
andygere posted 12-18-2002 09:45 AM ET (US)
If you carefully roll the windows to store them, and buff out scratches when they happen, the windows stay clear for a long time. If you use your canvas set as a mooring cover, it won't last long at all. The windows on my Mills canvas, (and on my 10-year old Jeep soft top for that matter) are as clear as when they were new.
captbone posted 12-18-2002 03:16 PM ET (US)
Good point, most of the people do use them as mooring cover and lack the proper maintaince. If you take care then they will last.
jimh posted 12-18-2002 09:57 PM ET (US)
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gaurdian2 posted 04-23-2005 10:32 AM ET (US)
check out pacificpilothouse.com you might find something you like there
gaurdian2 posted 04-23-2005 10:35 AM ET (US)
the maritime skiffs pilothouse weighs in at 300# and they want 7895.00 its nice house 50" wide

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Author	Topic: After Market Pilot House
j abrams	posted 12-17-2002 03:27 AM ET (US) [T]his should drive some of the pure classic owners nuts!! [I am] living in the north east and getting older. [I] need to get out of the weather. [I] have 1971 21-Outrage. [I] haven't found frames or canvas for the old girl. [I] think the pilot house might look a little cool. [I] need info on an after market pilot house.
shoctor	posted 12-17-2002 10:19 AM ET (US) The pilot house is a great idea. They work wonders I would just get one big enough to move around in. Shane Look in some of the commercial magazines or boatbuilders for one as they are pretty common
andygere	posted 12-17-2002 11:13 AM ET (US) I'm pretty sure that Mills makes the full forward shelter/flying top/curtain set for your boat. I have also seen fiberglass cabins retrofit onto these hulls. I believe they were made for a time by Radon boats in Southern California. Here's a photo of one: http://coastside.juicyweb.com/albums/boats/Willy_the_Whaler.jpg
captbone	posted 12-17-2002 02:13 PM ET (US) the problem with curtain/bimini top is in 5 years they need to be replaced
bsmotril	posted 12-17-2002 02:31 PM ET (US) A buddy of mine fabricated one for his pontoon boat using a Porta Potti for the house. It helps to have a steam cleaner and Sawzall. If was functional, and made a statement as to just what kind of guy he was. We thereafter named the boat S.O.S. If you have experience with army chipped beef, you know to which I refer. Don't know if it would meet the whaler level of fit and finish though. Check out the adds in the back of National Fisherman magazine. They cater to commercial fisher people and I have seen regular adds there for comapanies that make houses, hatches, windows, leaningposts, etc. BillS
Tom W Clark	posted 12-17-2002 02:46 PM ET (US) j abrams, Here's a very nice looking and modestly sized pilot house built by Maritime Skiff: http://maritimeskiff.com/acc/acc_19.html Maritime Skiff is owned and operated by Paul Hureau who used to work for Whaler's Commercial products Division. I'm sure they would have a great deal of knowledge about whether or not the integration of their pilot house and your boat could be easily accomplished.
John W	posted 12-17-2002 03:03 PM ET (US) Please tell me you're not going to trash the original teak console in favor of a commercial fiberglass pilot house! If your boat isn't "original" now, I can understand how a pilothouse would make sense...but if your outrage is original, please keep it that way! Not many 70-72 original outrages out there. (I'd love to own one). I would suggest a stainless 4 bow bimini top with eisenglass zip-out enclosures. It will cost a lot but so will a new pilothouse. It will keep the boat (almost) original but will provide more weather protection than the original mills "flying top". A good custom canvas shop can build a wonderful bimini enclosure, and it will keep the rest of the boat original. Plus you can take it down on warm days.
j abrams	posted 12-18-2002 12:21 AM ET (US) thanks for the info. i really didn't expect that many replys. i guess i'm not the only one thats starting to feel his age. mills does not make the canvas set for the early whalers any more. they were kind enough to sent me the prints and layout for the flying canvas. the reason for the pilot house is to keep the walk around. with a flying set this is not possible. i may be old but still enjoy striper fishing. thank again will check into the info and keep everyone posted. the console is not origanal.
andygere	posted 12-18-2002 01:18 AM ET (US) The Mills canvas on my Montauk was made in 1983, and it still looks like new....a little better life than 5 years. The life of a canvas set depends on how well it is cared for.
captbone	posted 12-18-2002 08:40 AM ET (US) unless you get "insaglass" which is that thick new unfoldable windows you will have to replace those windows on a canvas every few years. Try seeing thru them at night after 5 years.
andygere	posted 12-18-2002 09:45 AM ET (US) If you carefully roll the windows to store them, and buff out scratches when they happen, the windows stay clear for a long time. If you use your canvas set as a mooring cover, it won't last long at all. The windows on my Mills canvas, (and on my 10-year old Jeep soft top for that matter) are as clear as when they were new.
captbone	posted 12-18-2002 03:16 PM ET (US) Good point, most of the people do use them as mooring cover and lack the proper maintaince. If you take care then they will last.
jimh	posted 12-18-2002 09:57 PM ET (US) [Administrative post]
gaurdian2	posted 04-23-2005 10:32 AM ET (US) check out pacificpilothouse.com you might find something you like there
gaurdian2	posted 04-23-2005 10:35 AM ET (US) the maritime skiffs pilothouse weighs in at 300# and they want 7895.00 its nice house 50" wide