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North Beach posted 03-09-2003 05:07 PM ET (US)
18 outrage 150 yam 1986.
Battery is fine, safety halyard in. Wont turn over and trim tilt wont even make a sound. Help.
whalersman posted 03-09-2003 05:25 PM ET (US)
North Beach,
I guess you need to start off checking to see if you have power to the Console. If nothing is working on the dash, then something has happened to the power leads that come from your battery, through the tunnel, and up to your accessories and starting switch.
I assume your battery is in the Splashwell on the Starboard side... Do you have a battery switch???
aubv posted 03-09-2003 06:01 PM ET (US)
NB,
Does anything electrical work?
acassidy posted 03-09-2003 06:01 PM ET (US)
The motor should have a main fuse under the cowling to check. Check your harness connections at the controls and on the motor. Check the trim harness connection on the motor also. Check the battery cable’s connection on the motor and at the battery. Make sure the motor is in neutral. To me it sounds like bad battery connections on either the motor or battery. Clean them and retighten. That main fuse on the motor will also kill everything when blown. Good luck
Archie
skibis88 posted 03-09-2003 06:25 PM ET (US)
I had the same thing happen to me on my 13ft with a 40hp Yamaha last season. The battery ground lead that connects to the starter bolt was loose.
North Beach posted 03-09-2003 06:28 PM ET (US)
THe horn and all lights work. I checked the fuses in the console. I will have to look under the cowling to find a fuse under there--any idea where or what it may look like?
I cleaned the terminals on the battery abd really tightened them. I have only one battery and no switch. I confirmed that it was in nuetral. I checked all connections.
SOunds like the best guess is that the fuse under the cowling is dead--I did not know that such a thing existed. I will check it and report back.
Thanks for the help.
ps Steering is also locked up, although I lubed it big time last fall. I banged away at it to no avail. AAAh, older boats.
diamondjj posted 03-09-2003 08:29 PM ET (US)
What kind of steering do you have and what company ? What did you lube and what did you bang away at ?
flawton posted 03-09-2003 09:35 PM ET (US)
I just finished reading the owners manual for my new yamaha 90 2s. Read your owners manual, in mine it discusses a 20 amp "eletric start fuse" located in the cowling. just an idea.
jimh posted 03-09-2003 10:27 PM ET (US)
In low-voltage high-current circuits it is common for connections to give the appearance of being properly connected, but it only takes a layer of oxidation of about one molecule in thickness to prevent current from flowing. This is because of the low voltage (12-volts).
Check all the connections in the path between the battery and the starter. One of them is probably open. A simple way to test is to use a voltmeter and measure the difference in voltage. If you read 12-volts across a "connection" you really have an open circuit. Often just a slight wiggle and re-tightening the retaining nut or screw will cure it. In cases of more severe corrosion, you must clean the connection. Applying vasoline to keep out water and oxidation is also a good preventative.
North Beach posted 03-10-2003 08:56 PM ET (US)
I don't know the brand of the steering--its two cables. I lubed it with multi purpose grease in the fall-cant recall brand, it was in a tube.
I banged on the tube parts near the engine hoping to free up any corrosion--or out of frustration.
I will have to check the wire connections as JimH suggested, plus with the voltmeter. MAybe wiggling will do it. Will let you know
Hendrickson posted 03-10-2003 10:06 PM ET (US)
Had the same thing happen on my 87 90hp Yamaha last year. The fuse had blown. It is located towards the back of the engine about half way up the powerhead. It is under a black plastic cover that is held on with a small screw.
North Beach posted 03-23-2003 08:34 PM ET (US)
Flawton, ACAssidy, Hendrickson:
U all Da Man!
It was a dead 20 amp fuse under the cowling--a 20cent item that had me waste my m,oney on a new battery.
That battery going back.
CW has helped me again.
Thanks
hooter posted 03-23-2003 10:31 PM ET (US)
One thing you did not say you did recently ought to be done every friggin' year, at least once, like religion. As jimh suggested above, you ought to disconnect, clean, greeze lightly with vasaline and reconnect all main bat'ry, power, light pole and rat tail connections. Can make a huge difference and leave you electric'ly trouble free all year.
Clark Roberts posted 03-24-2003 07:11 AM ET (US)
NB, suggest you keep several spare fuses aboard as the cause of fuse failure is unknown and it may/will happen again! Usually the cause is excess current draw from either the starter or the trim/tilt motor although a dead short in most any circuit will blow the fuse. Try running trim all way up and if fuse blows you'll know it trim/tilt motor and likewise if fuse blows while starting engine then it's starter motor! I find that my cable steering stays free better if I do not use heavy grease (like wheel bearing lube) on the tube/rod as that stuff seems to turn to either glue or concrete! Best results for me has been to remove all caked up gook with solvent or WD-40 and coat rod with light oil no heavier than say 30 weight and even 3 in 1 or Marvel Mystery oil work great. Frequent applications keep it moving freely. With frozen up steeriing the best tack is to remove (may need the old heat wrench) the steering rod completely and clean the tilt tube! Happy Whalin'...Clark... Spruce Creek Navy

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Author	Topic: Spring Problem-Why wont my engine turn over or trim tilt work?
North Beach	posted 03-09-2003 05:07 PM ET (US) 18 outrage 150 yam 1986. Battery is fine, safety halyard in. Wont turn over and trim tilt wont even make a sound. Help.
whalersman	posted 03-09-2003 05:25 PM ET (US) North Beach, I guess you need to start off checking to see if you have power to the Console. If nothing is working on the dash, then something has happened to the power leads that come from your battery, through the tunnel, and up to your accessories and starting switch. I assume your battery is in the Splashwell on the Starboard side... Do you have a battery switch???
aubv	posted 03-09-2003 06:01 PM ET (US) NB, Does anything electrical work?
acassidy	posted 03-09-2003 06:01 PM ET (US) The motor should have a main fuse under the cowling to check. Check your harness connections at the controls and on the motor. Check the trim harness connection on the motor also. Check the battery cable’s connection on the motor and at the battery. Make sure the motor is in neutral. To me it sounds like bad battery connections on either the motor or battery. Clean them and retighten. That main fuse on the motor will also kill everything when blown. Good luck Archie
skibis88	posted 03-09-2003 06:25 PM ET (US) I had the same thing happen to me on my 13ft with a 40hp Yamaha last season. The battery ground lead that connects to the starter bolt was loose.
North Beach	posted 03-09-2003 06:28 PM ET (US) THe horn and all lights work. I checked the fuses in the console. I will have to look under the cowling to find a fuse under there--any idea where or what it may look like? I cleaned the terminals on the battery abd really tightened them. I have only one battery and no switch. I confirmed that it was in nuetral. I checked all connections. SOunds like the best guess is that the fuse under the cowling is dead--I did not know that such a thing existed. I will check it and report back. Thanks for the help. ps Steering is also locked up, although I lubed it big time last fall. I banged away at it to no avail. AAAh, older boats.
diamondjj	posted 03-09-2003 08:29 PM ET (US) What kind of steering do you have and what company ? What did you lube and what did you bang away at ?
flawton	posted 03-09-2003 09:35 PM ET (US) I just finished reading the owners manual for my new yamaha 90 2s. Read your owners manual, in mine it discusses a 20 amp "eletric start fuse" located in the cowling. just an idea.
jimh	posted 03-09-2003 10:27 PM ET (US) In low-voltage high-current circuits it is common for connections to give the appearance of being properly connected, but it only takes a layer of oxidation of about one molecule in thickness to prevent current from flowing. This is because of the low voltage (12-volts). Check all the connections in the path between the battery and the starter. One of them is probably open. A simple way to test is to use a voltmeter and measure the difference in voltage. If you read 12-volts across a "connection" you really have an open circuit. Often just a slight wiggle and re-tightening the retaining nut or screw will cure it. In cases of more severe corrosion, you must clean the connection. Applying vasoline to keep out water and oxidation is also a good preventative.
North Beach	posted 03-10-2003 08:56 PM ET (US) I don't know the brand of the steering--its two cables. I lubed it with multi purpose grease in the fall-cant recall brand, it was in a tube. I banged on the tube parts near the engine hoping to free up any corrosion--or out of frustration. I will have to check the wire connections as JimH suggested, plus with the voltmeter. MAybe wiggling will do it. Will let you know
Hendrickson	posted 03-10-2003 10:06 PM ET (US) Had the same thing happen on my 87 90hp Yamaha last year. The fuse had blown. It is located towards the back of the engine about half way up the powerhead. It is under a black plastic cover that is held on with a small screw.
North Beach	posted 03-23-2003 08:34 PM ET (US) Flawton, ACAssidy, Hendrickson: U all Da Man! It was a dead 20 amp fuse under the cowling--a 20cent item that had me waste my m,oney on a new battery. That battery going back. CW has helped me again. Thanks
hooter	posted 03-23-2003 10:31 PM ET (US) One thing you did not say you did recently ought to be done every friggin' year, at least once, like religion. As jimh suggested above, you ought to disconnect, clean, greeze lightly with vasaline and reconnect all main bat'ry, power, light pole and rat tail connections. Can make a huge difference and leave you electric'ly trouble free all year.
Clark Roberts	posted 03-24-2003 07:11 AM ET (US) NB, suggest you keep several spare fuses aboard as the cause of fuse failure is unknown and it may/will happen again! Usually the cause is excess current draw from either the starter or the trim/tilt motor although a dead short in most any circuit will blow the fuse. Try running trim all way up and if fuse blows you'll know it trim/tilt motor and likewise if fuse blows while starting engine then it's starter motor! I find that my cable steering stays free better if I do not use heavy grease (like wheel bearing lube) on the tube/rod as that stuff seems to turn to either glue or concrete! Best results for me has been to remove all caked up gook with solvent or WD-40 and coat rod with light oil no heavier than say 30 weight and even 3 in 1 or Marvel Mystery oil work great. Frequent applications keep it moving freely. With frozen up steeriing the best tack is to remove (may need the old heat wrench) the steering rod completely and clean the tilt tube! Happy Whalin'...Clark... Spruce Creek Navy