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rayl posted 03-17-2003 08:39 PM ET (US)
All,
I have taken my 86 18 OR to a local dealer for estimates on repair costs and would like to get your thoughts on the charges I was quoted.
I was given a price of $65 per foot for Interlux Bottom painting. This charge is applied to 18 feet for my particular project. Is this reasonable? Price includes labor of course.
Also, he quoted me a standard flat price of $800 for sand, buff, and wax. Said the price would be $1000 if it were 22-25 footer.
Just want to know if this sounds reasonable, or if the guy is really charging too much.
Thanks
Ray
Dick posted 03-17-2003 08:55 PM ET (US)
Ray
We charge $65.00 per foot for bottom painting unless the bottom needs extensive prep work and then time for the prep is added.
I can't address the sanding, buffing and waxing as I am not sure what you are talking about.
Dick
rayl posted 03-17-2003 09:05 PM ET (US)
The sanding buffing and waxing is to remove all of the oxidation and such because the boats previous owner let it sit for several years untouched. The dealer indicated this would be the best way to get it back to, as close to original look, as possible.
Ray
Offshore20 posted 03-17-2003 09:06 PM ET (US)
Dick
Is that a straight paint job ie: light sand and recoat?
John
rayl posted 03-17-2003 09:07 PM ET (US)
I think so. Not sure what you mean by light sand. The current coat is in REAL bad shape. Looks like someone tried to remove it by sanding. The dealer said he would fix that sanding job and reapply paint.
Ray
rayl posted 03-17-2003 09:13 PM ET (US)
Sorry Offshore, thought that post was for me. Helps to read all the way through.. Yes, I know it was only two lines. :-)
Ray
dgp posted 03-17-2003 09:19 PM ET (US)
I paid half that amount 4 years ago for an Interlux VC Offshore bottom paint job on a new 17' Dauntless. It was done by an approved Interlux Boatyard Center. For the nearest location go to http://www.yachtpaint.com/usa/ ,>Sales Outlets, then sort by location and Boatyard Center.
Dick posted 03-17-2003 09:22 PM ET (US)
The $65.00 a foot we charge is a light sand and a paint job, it has to be pretty bad to require extra prep time.
The sand, buff and wax is what we call a detail and the price you were quoted is right there with what we charge. In bringing the hull back sanding is not used but a series of buffing compounds.
Prices are going to vary depending on your location and the labor rates at the dealer.
Dick
alkar posted 03-17-2003 10:17 PM ET (US)
Ray, I can't speak to the painting part of your question, but I was quoted $400 for a detail job like the one you describe (on my 22' Outrage). The guy who gave me the quote is a well respected independent who has been doing boat repair about 20 years. He doesn't have the huge overhead of the dealerships, so he can get buy charging "only" $25 per hour. At $25 per hour you're buying 20 hours for $500. I don't think polishing an 18' Outrage is a 20 hour job unless it's in very rough shape.
Bigshot posted 03-18-2003 11:28 AM ET (US)
$1200 to paint an 18' boat.....where do you live, I'll be right there. My bud paid about $400 to have his hull(21') sandblasted to bare fiberglass. I can't see it costing another $800 to paint a basically bare bottom. If not sandblasting a semi-grind and bottom job should fetch about $400 total. I just did one on my Newport and it took me a Saturday afternoon and about 15 sheets of 80 grit paper and an electric sander, looks great. Buff jobs normally fetch about $20-30/ft for an inside and out and make it shine like the Chrysler building.
rayl posted 03-18-2003 08:27 PM ET (US)
Bigshot,
You aren't making me feel too good about this. I live in Atlanta. Being landlocked, I don't have a whole lot of choices. I certainly don't think that I have the skills to perform such a task, as this is my first boat, much less, my first restoration.
Ray
Bigshot posted 03-19-2003 08:55 AM ET (US)
Sorry but you are getting ripped off. Sanding a boat bottom does not take skill, it is a dirty job like raking leaves. You buy a $29 Black & decker sander, $10 worth of sand paper, a respirator to keep the dust out of your body and get at it. You do not need to grind down to bare glass but you can....quickly. Do the transom by hand and you will see how easy it is. laying on your back sanding the bottom is the hard thing.
The guy who sand or glass beaded my buds Mako came to his house. It was like $18 a foot or something. He laid down a tarp, taped the hull and blasted away. He then carted away all the old paint that fell on the tarp. Rick spent an hour with a piece of sandpaper getting all the areas the blaster missed and repainted it. Looked like brand new.
If you want to own a boat and not pay through the nose, better learn to do some "labor of love". Either that or do what my father did, have your son do it. I don't do this stuff for a living, I do it because I am cheap, and it gives me a sense of pride instead of a light wallet. Have fun, and do it!
Born Free posted 03-20-2003 09:37 AM ET (US)
Amen, well put Bigshot!
hauptjm posted 03-20-2003 10:48 AM ET (US)
rayl, Bigshot is correct that you will need to get your hands dirty at some point, and this sounds as good as any. If you absolutely cannot do it, then I would suggest you are within a couple of hours drive to some areas near the coast that would certainly be more "affordable". Those prices are out of the ballpark.

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Author	Topic: Restoration Costs??
rayl	posted 03-17-2003 08:39 PM ET (US) All, I have taken my 86 18 OR to a local dealer for estimates on repair costs and would like to get your thoughts on the charges I was quoted. I was given a price of $65 per foot for Interlux Bottom painting. This charge is applied to 18 feet for my particular project. Is this reasonable? Price includes labor of course. Also, he quoted me a standard flat price of $800 for sand, buff, and wax. Said the price would be $1000 if it were 22-25 footer. Just want to know if this sounds reasonable, or if the guy is really charging too much. Thanks Ray
Dick	posted 03-17-2003 08:55 PM ET (US) Ray We charge $65.00 per foot for bottom painting unless the bottom needs extensive prep work and then time for the prep is added. I can't address the sanding, buffing and waxing as I am not sure what you are talking about. Dick
rayl	posted 03-17-2003 09:05 PM ET (US) The sanding buffing and waxing is to remove all of the oxidation and such because the boats previous owner let it sit for several years untouched. The dealer indicated this would be the best way to get it back to, as close to original look, as possible. Ray
Offshore20	posted 03-17-2003 09:06 PM ET (US) Dick Is that a straight paint job ie: light sand and recoat? John
rayl	posted 03-17-2003 09:07 PM ET (US) I think so. Not sure what you mean by light sand. The current coat is in REAL bad shape. Looks like someone tried to remove it by sanding. The dealer said he would fix that sanding job and reapply paint. Ray
rayl	posted 03-17-2003 09:13 PM ET (US) Sorry Offshore, thought that post was for me. Helps to read all the way through.. Yes, I know it was only two lines. :-) Ray
dgp	posted 03-17-2003 09:19 PM ET (US) I paid half that amount 4 years ago for an Interlux VC Offshore bottom paint job on a new 17' Dauntless. It was done by an approved Interlux Boatyard Center. For the nearest location go to http://www.yachtpaint.com/usa/ ,>Sales Outlets, then sort by location and Boatyard Center.
Dick	posted 03-17-2003 09:22 PM ET (US) The $65.00 a foot we charge is a light sand and a paint job, it has to be pretty bad to require extra prep time. The sand, buff and wax is what we call a detail and the price you were quoted is right there with what we charge. In bringing the hull back sanding is not used but a series of buffing compounds. Prices are going to vary depending on your location and the labor rates at the dealer. Dick
alkar	posted 03-17-2003 10:17 PM ET (US) Ray, I can't speak to the painting part of your question, but I was quoted $400 for a detail job like the one you describe (on my 22' Outrage). The guy who gave me the quote is a well respected independent who has been doing boat repair about 20 years. He doesn't have the huge overhead of the dealerships, so he can get buy charging "only" $25 per hour. At $25 per hour you're buying 20 hours for $500. I don't think polishing an 18' Outrage is a 20 hour job unless it's in very rough shape.
Bigshot	posted 03-18-2003 11:28 AM ET (US) $1200 to paint an 18' boat.....where do you live, I'll be right there. My bud paid about $400 to have his hull(21') sandblasted to bare fiberglass. I can't see it costing another $800 to paint a basically bare bottom. If not sandblasting a semi-grind and bottom job should fetch about $400 total. I just did one on my Newport and it took me a Saturday afternoon and about 15 sheets of 80 grit paper and an electric sander, looks great. Buff jobs normally fetch about $20-30/ft for an inside and out and make it shine like the Chrysler building.
rayl	posted 03-18-2003 08:27 PM ET (US) Bigshot, You aren't making me feel too good about this. I live in Atlanta. Being landlocked, I don't have a whole lot of choices. I certainly don't think that I have the skills to perform such a task, as this is my first boat, much less, my first restoration. Ray
Bigshot	posted 03-19-2003 08:55 AM ET (US) Sorry but you are getting ripped off. Sanding a boat bottom does not take skill, it is a dirty job like raking leaves. You buy a $29 Black & decker sander, $10 worth of sand paper, a respirator to keep the dust out of your body and get at it. You do not need to grind down to bare glass but you can....quickly. Do the transom by hand and you will see how easy it is. laying on your back sanding the bottom is the hard thing. The guy who sand or glass beaded my buds Mako came to his house. It was like $18 a foot or something. He laid down a tarp, taped the hull and blasted away. He then carted away all the old paint that fell on the tarp. Rick spent an hour with a piece of sandpaper getting all the areas the blaster missed and repainted it. Looked like brand new. If you want to own a boat and not pay through the nose, better learn to do some "labor of love". Either that or do what my father did, have your son do it. I don't do this stuff for a living, I do it because I am cheap, and it gives me a sense of pride instead of a light wallet. Have fun, and do it!
Born Free	posted 03-20-2003 09:37 AM ET (US) Amen, well put Bigshot!
hauptjm	posted 03-20-2003 10:48 AM ET (US) rayl, Bigshot is correct that you will need to get your hands dirty at some point, and this sounds as good as any. If you absolutely cannot do it, then I would suggest you are within a couple of hours drive to some areas near the coast that would certainly be more "affordable". Those prices are out of the ballpark.