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Aldog posted 05-30-2003 06:48 PM ET (US)
I hope I have chosen the correct forum for this discussion.
I have just taken my maiden voyage on my new (to me) Montauk. It's great. The boat with the 90hp Merc 2-stroke seems to troll at or about 3mph without lines, downriggers etc. So maybe high 2's when fishing. Anyway... my target speed is 1.5 mph. On my last boat I had a hydro-troll flap which did its job. Even though it performed I was not a big fan for a number of reasons. I am considering a pair of small trolling socks this time around.
My questions are;
How effective are the socks?
What size would I need to get my desired results?
A small one on either side seems to make sense to keep from having one draggin back and potentially getting into my lines, is that right?
Are they in the way?
How much line do you have to put out for them to "bite"? I use downriggers and dont want a big tangled up mess.
All input would be appreciated.

sr posted 05-30-2003 10:25 PM ET (US)
Without discouraging you, I went thru alot of trials before opting for a 9.9 4 stroke kicker.
The socks are a pain. I had o.k. results trimming all the way in, or a little up., ended up ziz-zagging alot to get the inside lure to work. A flatter prop is not a bad option but $ and then you lose top end.
If yo plan much off shore, a backup is a good idea.
sr
elaelap posted 05-30-2003 10:54 PM ET (US)
Just head into the wind, Aldog.
I was out today (Bodega Bay, 60 miles north of San Francisco) and it was blowing a steady 25 mph from the westnorthwest, with 2-4 ft wind waves on top of 8-10 ft swells. At 800 rpm, my usual trolling turns, with my Katama's smirkless bow pointed into the wind and swell, my lines were hanging straight down...I actually had to up my revs to get up to 2 mph. Trolling downwind I couldn't keep her under 4 mph. Overcast and cold, too, and no salmon in the box.
But it sure beat working...
Tony
Aldog posted 05-31-2003 08:10 AM ET (US)
I use my boat mostly in freshwater. I would be in the ocean only three or four times a year and only nearshore. I have no plans to buy a kicker. I have a strong electric on the bow but it mont do what I need either. I may have to go back to a trolling plate (flap as I call it)
leapinlunker posted 05-31-2003 09:26 AM ET (US)
I am experiencing the same thing. Can't keep trolling speed under 3 mph. Have used electric bow mount, but a transom mount is not feasible on my little dauntlass 15, just not enough room for it and fishing too.
Going to go with the flap and hope for the best. A kicker is not an option with so little room on the transom.
Aldog posted 05-31-2003 10:11 AM ET (US)
The Hydro Troll II from Cabella's was on my last outboard. It worked well. (buy extra shear pins) You will forget to raise it at least once and take off.
WhalinWilly posted 06-01-2003 12:40 AM ET (US)
You might try a 5 gallon bucket off the bow tied short and with a good knot. You should lose about 1/2 to 3/4 miles / hour. Cheap and maybe worth a try !!!
WhalinWilly

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Author	Topic: Slowing your trolling speed.
Aldog	posted 05-30-2003 06:48 PM ET (US) I hope I have chosen the correct forum for this discussion. I have just taken my maiden voyage on my new (to me) Montauk. It's great. The boat with the 90hp Merc 2-stroke seems to troll at or about 3mph without lines, downriggers etc. So maybe high 2's when fishing. Anyway... my target speed is 1.5 mph. On my last boat I had a hydro-troll flap which did its job. Even though it performed I was not a big fan for a number of reasons. I am considering a pair of small trolling socks this time around. My questions are; How effective are the socks? What size would I need to get my desired results? A small one on either side seems to make sense to keep from having one draggin back and potentially getting into my lines, is that right? Are they in the way? How much line do you have to put out for them to "bite"? I use downriggers and dont want a big tangled up mess. All input would be appreciated.
sr	posted 05-30-2003 10:25 PM ET (US) Without discouraging you, I went thru alot of trials before opting for a 9.9 4 stroke kicker. The socks are a pain. I had o.k. results trimming all the way in, or a little up., ended up ziz-zagging alot to get the inside lure to work. A flatter prop is not a bad option but $ and then you lose top end. If yo plan much off shore, a backup is a good idea. sr
elaelap	posted 05-30-2003 10:54 PM ET (US) Just head into the wind, Aldog. I was out today (Bodega Bay, 60 miles north of San Francisco) and it was blowing a steady 25 mph from the westnorthwest, with 2-4 ft wind waves on top of 8-10 ft swells. At 800 rpm, my usual trolling turns, with my Katama's smirkless bow pointed into the wind and swell, my lines were hanging straight down...I actually had to up my revs to get up to 2 mph. Trolling downwind I couldn't keep her under 4 mph. Overcast and cold, too, and no salmon in the box. But it sure beat working... Tony
Aldog	posted 05-31-2003 08:10 AM ET (US) I use my boat mostly in freshwater. I would be in the ocean only three or four times a year and only nearshore. I have no plans to buy a kicker. I have a strong electric on the bow but it mont do what I need either. I may have to go back to a trolling plate (flap as I call it)
leapinlunker	posted 05-31-2003 09:26 AM ET (US) I am experiencing the same thing. Can't keep trolling speed under 3 mph. Have used electric bow mount, but a transom mount is not feasible on my little dauntlass 15, just not enough room for it and fishing too. Going to go with the flap and hope for the best. A kicker is not an option with so little room on the transom.
Aldog	posted 05-31-2003 10:11 AM ET (US) The Hydro Troll II from Cabella's was on my last outboard. It worked well. (buy extra shear pins) You will forget to raise it at least once and take off.
WhalinWilly	posted 06-01-2003 12:40 AM ET (US) You might try a 5 gallon bucket off the bow tied short and with a good knot. You should lose about 1/2 to 3/4 miles / hour. Cheap and maybe worth a try !!! WhalinWilly