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alkar posted 05-31-2003 12:57 AM ET (US)   Profile for alkar   Send Email to alkar  
I hope I'll eventually be able to restore a classic 25' or 27'. A Montauk would be fun too.

I had hoped to restore my 22' to it's original condition, but the challenges proved too great giving my limited abilities and my time and financial constraints. After much agonizing, I finally decided that my 22' would have to become a "custom" boat - in large part because of the extent of the small cosmetic damage that proved so difficult to repair perfectly. By the time the small structural stuff was repaired the entire boat needed to either be re-gelcoated or painted. I decided on the latter for a number of reasons.

She doesn't have the classic look, but I think she's going to be pretty in the same way that DIVE 1 is pretty. She'll be functional, durable, clean and unique.

After months of grinding, filling, reinforcing, and fairing, I finally had my boat sprayed over the last two weeks. She's got awlgrip on her topsides and Dolphinite "go fast" paint on the bottom. The non-skid areas are being prepped and sprayed with Line-X, as are some of the flexible panels and fittings around the boat. I'll forward pictures as the reassembly progresses.

Alex

alkar posted 05-31-2003 01:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
given - GIVEN my limited abilities... Nuts! I need an editor at home. The spell checker isn't enough.
Knockerjoe posted 06-01-2003 11:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for Knockerjoe  Send Email to Knockerjoe     
Alex, have you seen the posts on Dolphinite on the other forums? their has been a recall and alot of people are saying the paint is falling off....joe
alkar posted 06-01-2003 11:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
Joe, the recall applied to a single shipment of paint that was frozen during shipping. That batch was identified and the unused paint has been recovered. I'm told that there have been no problems since.
Barry posted 06-01-2003 10:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
Here are the pictures:
members.aol.com/bburtensha/alkar/painted1.jpg
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Duckin Whalers posted 06-02-2003 01:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Duckin Whalers  Send Email to Duckin Whalers     
alkar, it looks great, form, function and I bet you'll get a ton of second looks. The "what is that" kind. I could see a nice dark green stripe around those big silver ponies hanging on the back adding a nice custom touch. Maybe like the shelby stripes?
Duckin Whalers posted 06-02-2003 01:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Duckin Whalers  Send Email to Duckin Whalers     
One question for you. Is line-X suitable to use in the entire interior area. I have considered the option but the stuff kind of scares me. Is it a permanent application. I also have some gelcoat cracking that I tried to fix when I prep'd for paint but they came back. Would an application of line x be recommended in this situation?
alkar posted 06-02-2003 01:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
Duckin,

I chose the Line-X because it adheres well, it's flexible, it's easy to clean and repair, it's extremely durable, and it's not slippery when wet. It's also available in a dark gray. Still, I've never seen it used this way. We'll see how it turns out.

I didn't want to just spray the stuff all over the interior, because I thought it would look awful and I wanted to make sure the deck panels could still be easily removed (so the seams couldn't be glued shut).

I'm hopeful that spraying only the non-skid will give the deck a "commercial" appearance - sort of like the decks on the Coast Guard's "30-boat".

I also had several flanges and other plastic pieces that were broken and in need of replacement - but they're not manufactured anymore and I couldn't find used ones anywhere. I chose to reform the broken pieces and then encapsulate them in the Line-X. The repair worked very well. (I did this with the two flanges that house the thru-hulls for the bilge pumps, and the side pieces that cover the fuel hose and wiring. The new pieces are flexible and heavy.)

Knowing the local business that applies the Line-X helped give me the courage to move forward with this project. The stuff can be improperly applied with disastrous results, so you have to have an applicator using the right primer and technique.

This is an experiment. I'm optimistic, but the jury will be out until I can examine the boat after a season of hard use.

alkar posted 06-02-2003 09:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
Duckin, I forgot to answer one of your questions.

I think Line-X is as permanant as 5200 and then some. I'm sure it's possible to get it off, but it must be a real bear.

I tore a small edge away from my pickup bed when I backed a sharp aluminum edge into the side of the bed while I was loading my 3200 lb camper. When the Line-X guy saw the small cut he told me I could fix it with "Super-glue", as the bonding agent in Super Glue was one of the primary ingredients in Line-X.

The stuff is truly amazing. I am proceding assuming that it's permanent.

Duckin Whalers posted 06-03-2003 01:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Duckin Whalers  Send Email to Duckin Whalers     
alkar, I realized what Line-X is, I have Rhino Liner in the bed of my truck, I just had a little "brain fart". I wouldn't really want that stuff sprayed on the interior, I think it would work well but the thought of any repair work would be scary. I was thinking of the "do it yourself" stuff you can buy at auto parts stores. On that thought, is there a reasonably priced, "do it yourself" product that is not as permanent and provides better traction and looks decent? I have the boat painted with ship-n-deck duck boat paint so the interior is a nice hue of deadgrass green and factoring in pretty gelcoat is not to be a consideration. I might be buying a 1984 15' SS in mint condition from my friends dad in the next year so I'll have something to baby and worry about the shiny stuff. As for now I'm about function. Any advise to a brand of super durable interior paint would be great. The spots where my takle box and ice chest sit have begun to wear down the ship-n-deck and the little boat is trying to be blue again. Thanks
alkar posted 06-03-2003 07:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
Duckin, aside from the bedliner-type products, I'm not aware of a deck surfacing material that is more durable than Awlgrip. Unfortunately, my opinion in this area isn't worth much. There are lots of other folks on this forum who know MUCH more than I do about paints and other materials.

The more knowledgable folks may not be interested in reading this thread. Maybe you should post your question in a new thread entitled "Most Durable Deck Paint?"

Duckin Whalers posted 06-04-2003 06:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Duckin Whalers  Send Email to Duckin Whalers     
Thanks for the info, I would love to get one similar to yours and rebuild it in a similar fashion. I am still working on getting that 15' SS in the next year or so. It is a center console with a 70 Yamaha and it is in perfect condition. I hope the deal goes through. Discussion has been made about me buying it. He stores it in his garage and has used it to go bass fishing in Lake Stevens 4 times in the last two years. It would be a steal. That is in the future, another year of paying my truck off first.
alkar posted 06-06-2003 09:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
Well, we got the boat back from Line-X this morning. It's not classic, but I like the new look a lot. It looks just the way I hoped it would, and the Line-X is wonderful to walk on. I don't think I have to worry about beating up the lockers anymore either.

This afternoon we got some of the wire pulled, re-fitted the rub rail, and installed the bow rail.

Tomorrow I'll install the hatches, work on the console wiring and, hopefully, get the radar arch installed.

I have forwarded a couple photos to Barry. They show the status of the project as of 5:00 this afternoon.

Barry posted 06-06-2003 10:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
members.aol.com/bburtensha/alkar/linex1.jpg
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Duckin Whalers posted 06-07-2003 01:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Duckin Whalers  Send Email to Duckin Whalers     
That looks great, looking forward to seeing her....
alkar posted 06-07-2003 11:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
We're making a little progress every day.

Today I ran the wire for the navigation lights, finished the rub rail installation (except the insert), installed the stainless trim pieces aft, placed the hatch covers for shimming, and placed the radar arch for sizing and cutting.

I'm hoping to get the cleats, hatches and arch completely installed tomorrow, so I can start on rewiring the console. We'll see. The arch looks like it will be more work than we anticipated.

Barry posted 06-07-2003 11:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
members.aol.com/bburtensha/alkar/archstart.jpg
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Duckin Whalers posted 06-08-2003 05:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Duckin Whalers  Send Email to Duckin Whalers     
its late, but, that is just down-right PRETTY! I can't wait to see it in person. You're going to be at Blake right? You'll get a kick out of my little green goblin. I still want to see some green racing stripes on those Silver Hondo's on the back, HA!
alkar posted 06-08-2003 08:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
Thanks for the encouragement.

I bought the green vinyl striping material several months ago. The plan is to put a 2" stripe around the top of the console and, yes, an accent stripe on the motors.

I'm still wishing I hadn't chosen to paint her green. I keep thinking how much prettier she would have been if I had left her light gray. Oh well. I can fix that the NEXT time I paint her. :)

alkar posted 06-08-2003 08:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
I got the cleats and the hatches secured today. I also cut, fit and placed the new arch. It's really slick.
Duckin Whalers posted 06-08-2003 11:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Duckin Whalers  Send Email to Duckin Whalers     
I saw the pictures you posted. How far off are your sea trials. I bet this hot weather is driving you crazy. I went down on the Columbia at Vantage yesterday, it was about 95. I went up to Cresent bar, had a drink and back to Vantage. Then went out on the Yakima for a evening round of flyfishing. The river was way up from the snow run off. I couldn't get in to any of my spots. I was just wading. Didn't see/catch anything. Anyways a good, busy day.
Jay A posted 06-09-2003 12:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jay A    
The quality of the work looks great! But are you sure it's a Boston Whaler and not a John Deere water-tractor?
alkar posted 06-09-2003 02:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
yep, the color was an oops. I arrived at the oops honestly. I can't afford to fix it ;(
alkar posted 06-09-2003 10:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
Duckin, I should be fishing right now, but the boat is absorbing all of my free time.

Hearing you talk of fly fishing is a reminder of how long my boat project has taken. It was summer/fall steelhead season when I got started.

I'm planning to get her out for a couple hours on a lake before opening weekend of Silver season - and that's less than two weeks away. If I'm able to take this coming Friday off I'll be able to put three days of assembly together for the final push. Assuming the hydraulic steering goes in easily, that should get it pretty well whipped.

And then it's time to play!

Barry posted 06-23-2003 08:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
Here are the latest pictures:
members.aol.com/bburtensha/alkar/helmprogress.jpg
members.aol.com/bburtensha/alkar/whalerdrive.jpg
members.aol.com/bburtensha/alkar/shakecockpit.jpg
members.aol.com/bburtensha/alkar/shakeconsole.jpg
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DIVE 1 posted 06-23-2003 11:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for DIVE 1    
Alkar,
The boat looks great. Did you get the large non-skid pieces from 3M?
Jim
Duckin Whalers posted 06-24-2003 12:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for Duckin Whalers  Send Email to Duckin Whalers     
I don't care what anyone thinks, that green just about makes my knees weak! That is one beauty. I don't think that grey (or gray, whatever makes you all feel PC) would have looked better. What a great color (or colour). I like it. You want to part with it because you want to resore another let me know. Just give me a year or two. I'm working on buying a 15' SS now but, what the hell? 3 Whalers are better than two, right?
Chap posted 06-24-2003 09:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     

Hello,
Truly tremendous work, beautiful. Good luck with her and thanks for the thread.
Thanks
Chap
mtbadfish posted 06-24-2003 11:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for mtbadfish  Send Email to mtbadfish     
Beautiful job! The console looks fantastic.
alkar posted 06-25-2003 12:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
Thanks for the enthusiastic feedback guys. It's been a long road, and I'm very excited about finally getting to run her.

Jim, the non skid panels are Line-X (the truck bed-liner stuff), as are the enclosures, both of the aft thru-hull flanges, and all of the lockers/wells. I also had a new dash panel fabricated out of aluminum and covered it in the Line-X. It's amazing stuff. It's great to walk on and nearly impossible to chip or scratch.

I'm hoping to get the rest of the little stuff done over the next few weeks. I still have to install the scuppers, rod holders, downriggers, and grab rails.

I've enjoyed the project, but it's worn us all out. I'm ready for a little balance in my life :) (like boat USE instead of restoration.)

I hope to see some of you guys at the August Northwest rendezvous. I'm going to try hard to make it.

doobee posted 06-25-2003 12:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for doobee  Send Email to doobee     
I hate to rain on your parade, but I continue to hear of problems with adhesion of the Dolphinite Go Fast bottom paint. Keep an eye on it so you don't run into any unpleasant surprises.
PMUCCIOLO posted 06-25-2003 01:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
alkar,

Congratulations on a tastefully and carefully planned and executed restoration. The boat looks beautiful!

PM

alkar posted 06-25-2003 11:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
Thanks PM.

Doobee, you're right about the Dolphinite adhesion problems. The stuff goes on soft and thin. Even the friction of winching the boat the last foot onto the trailer is enough to scrape it off. It was beautiful after it was applied, but I've already got streaks of missing paint on my bottom - and it was professionally applied. I will not use Dolphinite again...

gamerunner posted 07-01-2003 08:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for gamerunner  Send Email to gamerunner     
Wow! That boat looks great!
JayR posted 11-20-2003 06:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for JayR  Send Email to JayR     
How is it holding up? You have had several months to beat it up. What about a progress report?
JayR posted 11-21-2003 04:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for JayR  Send Email to JayR     
How 'bout it?
Looked great when new, how is it now?

Thinking of spraying all of the interior of a 1967 16'7. I hear Rhino-liner comes in many colors and it is really tempting me....


So, let's hear the report.

alkar posted 11-21-2003 09:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
It's holding up perfectly. There is no sign of wear at all. The Line-X keel guard is still holding up perfectly too, but the real test comes next July when we return to the beaches with coarser rock. The beaches where we "stick it" on the Oregon coast are all soft sand.

The Rhino-liner I've seen looked much "lumpier" than the Line-X. It had an almost oatmeal-like finish. I prefer the grittier-look of the Line-X.

LuckyLady posted 11-21-2003 11:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for LuckyLady  Send Email to LuckyLady     
I have question on the X-Line.
Did you take your boat to the shop to have the X-Line applied? Also, did you do the masking off or did they do the whole job?
If so, that must have cost an arm and leg.....
It's a great job and really adds to the looks of the boat.
I'm still out on the paint color though.
Then again, Oregon is mostly green and very beautiful.
alkar posted 11-22-2003 06:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
LuckyLady, I did all the prep, but the guys at Line-X wanted to do their own masking for a number of reasons. They used a tape that has a string built into it. The stuff sets immediately (cured in five seconds), so they pull the tape as soon as they're done spraying. The string pops off the excess Line-X along the edges and provides a nice sharp margin.

It was fairly expensive, but the Awlgrip/Line-X combination was still substantially cheaper than the quote I got for redoing the gelcoat and factory non-skid.

I agree with you on the color. It has grown on me a bit - but I still wish I had't done it.

Who knows.. if I keep her long enough I can always change the color.

overbrook posted 11-27-2003 06:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for overbrook  Send Email to overbrook     
I am assuming when you guys are talking about linex your talking the same material as rhinoliner? because I was contemplating having the floor in my 21 outrage sprayed with red rhino liner to help seal and for the looks of it as the rest of the boat is done in shiny white awlgrip and I was going to have custom rails and t-top done and powder coated white and the t-top with a red canvas and red and white seats- any thoughts on this?? the qoute I got for spraying the floor was about $665 is that about right??
HAPPYJIM posted 11-27-2003 08:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
The floor in my 1973 21 foot Outrage is painted red/blue splotches.

I like to go barefoot in the boat and in the summer with full sun it is too hot on my feet.

The boat was like that when I bought it but I may change it to off white later.

It does hide the fish blood very well.

The red/white seats and top sound great.

I had a custom stern seat and bimini top done in Whaler red. I need a bow cushion now in red.

overbrook posted 11-27-2003 08:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for overbrook  Send Email to overbrook     
Happyjim would like to see what that floor looks like! You don't happen to know how to e-mail pics to the cetacea section do you?? would like to put a pic or two in there myself.
HAPPYJIM posted 11-27-2003 09:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
I think just mail them to jimh.

I can send you pics of my deck if you want them.

Any angle or part you need to see?

overbrook posted 11-27-2003 09:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for overbrook  Send Email to overbrook     
happyjim, whats the entire e-mail address?? and yes I would love to see it! any angle just want to see what the color looks like. in a few I'm going out to click a few- jumping back and forth btween this and fixing the turkey
overbrook posted 11-27-2003 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for overbrook  Send Email to overbrook     
happyjim, never mind found the address- hpoefully He will put a pic or two in the cetacea section for me soon after t-day by the way my address is overbrook@pbtcomm.net thnx!!!
HAPPYJIM posted 11-27-2003 10:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
overbrook

You have mail

alkar posted 11-27-2003 09:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
Line-X and Rhino-Liner are like Ford and Chevy. The products are of the same general family, but they seem very different to me.
overbrook posted 11-28-2003 06:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for overbrook  Send Email to overbrook     
alkar- yeh I would drive a chevy -I own all dodge,but I would'nt be caught dead in a ford-so which is better in your opinion-since I don't have one yet?? Does line-x do colors? I'm looking to do my entire floor in jocky or boston whaler red.Rhino liner told me they can do virtually any color except white and yellow,and they qouted me a rough price of $8 a sq ft so $750 + I think an additional $150 for the color. And to all who replied to me -thanks and still looking for that "easy fix" on my gas tank problem. I will be out on the road for the next two weeks,but will be checking in as soon as I can.I love this site-very new to it- but kudos to Jim!!
alkar posted 11-28-2003 09:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
Overbrook, Line-X can be colored. One of their retailers should be able to provide the details on the color selection.

You should look at the texture of each of the products before you decide which material you wish to use for your deck. Line-X and Rhino-Liner have very different finishes. It wasn't a close call for me.

The cost per square foot will rise quickly if you don't want the stuff sprayed all over everything. I wanted non-skid panels, not non-skid everything, so I paid for the substantial additional prep time.

I bought a new GM diesel truck 1982. The transmission blew up at 12,000 miles - withOUT any towing. After sitting in the shop for almost a month, they finally got the 700 series transmission repaired, but it blew up again at 16,000 miles. I promptly sold the truck. My buddy kept his and had a long series of very expensive repairs. That was the last time I gambled on a GM diesel.

I've got 60,000 miles on my Ford Powerstroke. Like it's predecessors, it's running like a watch and pulling like a mule. My brother's Dodge Cummins diesel is performing similarly after seven years and well over 100K miles. The jury is still out on the Duramax-Allison combination. I'm hopeful but not optimistic.

mbear posted 04-08-2007 05:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for mbear  Send Email to mbear     
Alkar, I really like the Line-x that was done. I noticed your fuel intake sidewall panels, you did a really nice job on those. what did you use to make those?

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