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Kelly posted 06-09-2003 07:25 PM ET (US)
Has anybody used King Starboard material for a montauk bow locker cover? What were your results?
Kelly
tully_mars posted 06-09-2003 07:36 PM ET (US)
See this link below for the one on my boat. It is working out great, 3/4 in starboard.
<A HREF="http://www.super8filmmaking.com/Whaler_Rendezvous/Tully03_mr.jpg
">click here</A>
or cut and paste it...
http://www.super8filmmaking.com/Whaler_Rendezvous/Tully03_mr.jpg
Tully Mars
OutrageMan posted 06-09-2003 09:29 PM ET (US)
Or you could just use the UBB tags that this forum supports.
http://www.super8filmmaking.com/Whaler_Rendezvous/Tully03_mr.jpg
Brian
Kelly posted 06-10-2003 07:56 AM ET (US)
Tully Mars,
Wow! Your boat really looks great!
Mine is a 1980 Model with the isosceles trapezoid shaped bow hatch. The short side is 17" the long side is 29" and the distance between the parallel sides is 24". My concern is that there may be too much deflection in the center. I think they recommend a span of 16". I was wondering if anybody has tried Starboard for this size bow locker.
Kelly
hauptjm posted 06-10-2003 11:04 AM ET (US)
Kelly, through bolt and epoxy a support strip underneath the hatch to strengthen. Use stainless pan-head bolts, and countersink them in the top. Three or four bolts should be enough. Personally, I would orient the support strip "on edge" to give the most support. Otherwise, a mahogany or teak hatch will look the best.
Gep posted 06-10-2003 12:26 PM ET (US)
Wow Tully,
That's a sweet looking boat!
Mike
Kelly posted 06-10-2003 12:36 PM ET (US)
hauptjm,
If I have to add any additional support to make the King Starboard work, I will probably go with the mahogany or teak.
Kelly
wayne baker posted 06-10-2003 01:55 PM ET (US)
I just had a hatch lid made for my 15 footer. I paid about seventy dollars for a mohogany board about 12 foot long. I had a guy plain it and glue the boards together and I cut it to fit the bow locker. The drop on the cuts was enough to make a couple of nice looking supports for the bottom. I do not have it cleared yet but it is a really nice addition to the other wood work in the boat.
Bertramp posted 06-11-2003 07:05 PM ET (US)
Harpoon Marine quoted me $125 for a glass one to match my gelcoat for 15 whaler. I know ... doesn't work for you purists, but no need to varnish aint bad either.
lhg posted 06-11-2003 07:39 PM ET (US)
Since the BW fiberglass version of this locker cover, used in later model boats, is still in use for the 17 Alerts, Commercial division, has anybody called them for a quote, in tan color?
Kelly posted 06-15-2003 11:24 AM ET (US)
lhg,
It looks like it is still available from Whaler and will cost about $200 plus shipping. Sue at Twin Cities was very helpful.
Right now it looks like I am either going to buy the fiberglass cover from Whaler or buy a sheet of Mahogany marine plywood and make one like I already have. The cost will be about the same, but if I buy the plywood, I will have plenty of material for other projects. If I had to decide today, I would buy the fiberglass one from Whaler. Partly because it is Father's day, I am at the office, and when I get time I want to go fishing with my son instead of work on the boat.
Just as an aside, I took my Whaler plywood hatch that I messed up trying to remove the old varnish to a boatwright to see if he could make one for me. To set the stage, he had a 40' ChrisCraft he was completly refitting and another probably 25' boat with a carbon fiber(I think) hull that they are building from the plans up in his shop. Anyway, he was nice enough, but he was really disgusted that I had ruined such a nice piece of wood. If I had just taken it to him in the first place, I think he would have just refinished the original piece. The point being, be careful with the wood pieces on your boat, they may be in better condition and more valuable than you think.
Kelly
wayne baker posted 06-17-2003 09:44 PM ET (US)
jstachowiak,
where did you see 140.00 in my post? I think you did not understand that I paid 70.00 for my hatch cover and it is solid wood not plywood (not that plywood is a bad thing). I also had enough wood to make a new cover for the instrument cut out in my console. I think I did alright.
Kelly posted 06-18-2003 08:18 AM ET (US)
Wayne,
At $70 you did great. That is less than any of the non Home Depot options I have considered to date, and it is a third of some of the leading options at this point.
Kelly
jstachowiak posted 06-18-2003 09:30 AM ET (US)
Wayne,
I was referring to the Starboard post. Starboard is very expensive. If you made your hatch for $70 you did great.
where2 posted 06-18-2003 12:53 PM ET (US)
Kelly, You tried Harpoon Marine yet? I think the thread I read a year or two ago said they they ended up with the molds for the Whaler hatches. Straight from Harpoon might be cheaper than through your Whaler dealer... Dimensionally, it sounds very close to the size of the hatch on my 15' Sport, which Bertramp says the 15' were $125 when he called Harpoon...
At $125, I'd consider selling my plywood hatch and buying a fiberglass. Bertramp's right. One less thing to varnish, is one less thing to varnish!!!
Anyone got a # for Harpoon Marine? anywho.com didn't think up one...
wayne baker posted 06-18-2003 08:04 PM ET (US)
125.00 for fiberglass hatch does sound like a great deal. If I had not known a guy with a plainer and the ability to make my 6 inch, rough cut board into a solid hatch I would not have even thought about this option. oh I forgot I still have to buy the varnish too.
whalernut posted 06-18-2003 09:16 PM ET (US)
Wayne, go for the good stuff!! Z-Spar Flagship Varnish, it is worth it!! Jack.
hou tx whaler posted 06-19-2003 12:15 AM ET (US)
I used the King Starboard for my front hatch on my '73 Whaler Nauset. It was easy to work with using standard wood working tools.
wayne baker posted 06-19-2003 05:20 AM ET (US)
Z-spar, flagship, thanks Jack I am going to buy varnish this weekend I will look for it.
Kelly posted 06-19-2003 01:15 PM ET (US)
I have been informed that Whaler will no longer provide the part. I have not contacted Harpoon Marine yet.
Kelly
Kelly posted 07-14-2003 08:43 AM ET (US)
Well, I ended up making the bow locker cover out of 3/4" thick sea foam colored Starboard. My first impression about the material is that it is easy to work with, and the fact that finishing is not required makes projects like this very quick. I sawed the shape and routed the edges and was done in about 30 minutes. If I did it again, I might just use the router to get the shape from the old wood piece. I think the piece will look okay on my boat.
I have a couple of concerns about the performance of the material over time. First, Starboard seems soft, and it may get scratched and gouged over time. On the plus side, since the color is through out the material, minor scratches may not be that unsightly. Second, I am told that the material may sag a little in the middle when it is hot and require additional support. I will just have to wait and see.
One thing I would mention, the material seems to be pretty heavy compared to wood. I would be careful about using too much of this material if weight is an issue.
Kelly


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Author	Topic: King Starboard for a Montauk Bow locker cover?
Kelly	posted 06-09-2003 07:25 PM ET (US) Has anybody used King Starboard material for a montauk bow locker cover? What were your results? Kelly
tully_mars	posted 06-09-2003 07:36 PM ET (US) See this link below for the one on my boat. It is working out great, 3/4 in starboard. <A HREF="http://www.super8filmmaking.com/Whaler_Rendezvous/Tully03_mr.jpg ">click here</A> or cut and paste it... http://www.super8filmmaking.com/Whaler_Rendezvous/Tully03_mr.jpg Tully Mars
OutrageMan	posted 06-09-2003 09:29 PM ET (US) Or you could just use the UBB tags that this forum supports. http://www.super8filmmaking.com/Whaler_Rendezvous/Tully03_mr.jpg Brian
Kelly	posted 06-10-2003 07:56 AM ET (US) Tully Mars, Wow! Your boat really looks great! Mine is a 1980 Model with the isosceles trapezoid shaped bow hatch. The short side is 17" the long side is 29" and the distance between the parallel sides is 24". My concern is that there may be too much deflection in the center. I think they recommend a span of 16". I was wondering if anybody has tried Starboard for this size bow locker. Kelly
hauptjm	posted 06-10-2003 11:04 AM ET (US) Kelly, through bolt and epoxy a support strip underneath the hatch to strengthen. Use stainless pan-head bolts, and countersink them in the top. Three or four bolts should be enough. Personally, I would orient the support strip "on edge" to give the most support. Otherwise, a mahogany or teak hatch will look the best.
Gep	posted 06-10-2003 12:26 PM ET (US) Wow Tully, That's a sweet looking boat! Mike
Kelly	posted 06-10-2003 12:36 PM ET (US) hauptjm, If I have to add any additional support to make the King Starboard work, I will probably go with the mahogany or teak. Kelly
wayne baker	posted 06-10-2003 01:55 PM ET (US) I just had a hatch lid made for my 15 footer. I paid about seventy dollars for a mohogany board about 12 foot long. I had a guy plain it and glue the boards together and I cut it to fit the bow locker. The drop on the cuts was enough to make a couple of nice looking supports for the bottom. I do not have it cleared yet but it is a really nice addition to the other wood work in the boat.
Bertramp	posted 06-11-2003 07:05 PM ET (US) Harpoon Marine quoted me $125 for a glass one to match my gelcoat for 15 whaler. I know ... doesn't work for you purists, but no need to varnish aint bad either.
lhg	posted 06-11-2003 07:39 PM ET (US) Since the BW fiberglass version of this locker cover, used in later model boats, is still in use for the 17 Alerts, Commercial division, has anybody called them for a quote, in tan color?
Kelly	posted 06-15-2003 11:24 AM ET (US) lhg, It looks like it is still available from Whaler and will cost about $200 plus shipping. Sue at Twin Cities was very helpful. Right now it looks like I am either going to buy the fiberglass cover from Whaler or buy a sheet of Mahogany marine plywood and make one like I already have. The cost will be about the same, but if I buy the plywood, I will have plenty of material for other projects. If I had to decide today, I would buy the fiberglass one from Whaler. Partly because it is Father's day, I am at the office, and when I get time I want to go fishing with my son instead of work on the boat. Just as an aside, I took my Whaler plywood hatch that I messed up trying to remove the old varnish to a boatwright to see if he could make one for me. To set the stage, he had a 40' ChrisCraft he was completly refitting and another probably 25' boat with a carbon fiber(I think) hull that they are building from the plans up in his shop. Anyway, he was nice enough, but he was really disgusted that I had ruined such a nice piece of wood. If I had just taken it to him in the first place, I think he would have just refinished the original piece. The point being, be careful with the wood pieces on your boat, they may be in better condition and more valuable than you think. Kelly
wayne baker	posted 06-17-2003 09:44 PM ET (US) jstachowiak, where did you see 140.00 in my post? I think you did not understand that I paid 70.00 for my hatch cover and it is solid wood not plywood (not that plywood is a bad thing). I also had enough wood to make a new cover for the instrument cut out in my console. I think I did alright.
Kelly	posted 06-18-2003 08:18 AM ET (US) Wayne, At $70 you did great. That is less than any of the non Home Depot options I have considered to date, and it is a third of some of the leading options at this point. Kelly
jstachowiak	posted 06-18-2003 09:30 AM ET (US) Wayne, I was referring to the Starboard post. Starboard is very expensive. If you made your hatch for $70 you did great.
where2	posted 06-18-2003 12:53 PM ET (US) Kelly, You tried Harpoon Marine yet? I think the thread I read a year or two ago said they they ended up with the molds for the Whaler hatches. Straight from Harpoon might be cheaper than through your Whaler dealer... Dimensionally, it sounds very close to the size of the hatch on my 15' Sport, which Bertramp says the 15' were $125 when he called Harpoon... At $125, I'd consider selling my plywood hatch and buying a fiberglass. Bertramp's right. One less thing to varnish, is one less thing to varnish!!! Anyone got a # for Harpoon Marine? anywho.com didn't think up one...
wayne baker	posted 06-18-2003 08:04 PM ET (US) 125.00 for fiberglass hatch does sound like a great deal. If I had not known a guy with a plainer and the ability to make my 6 inch, rough cut board into a solid hatch I would not have even thought about this option. oh I forgot I still have to buy the varnish too.
whalernut	posted 06-18-2003 09:16 PM ET (US) Wayne, go for the good stuff!! Z-Spar Flagship Varnish, it is worth it!! Jack.
hou tx whaler	posted 06-19-2003 12:15 AM ET (US) I used the King Starboard for my front hatch on my '73 Whaler Nauset. It was easy to work with using standard wood working tools.
wayne baker	posted 06-19-2003 05:20 AM ET (US) Z-spar, flagship, thanks Jack I am going to buy varnish this weekend I will look for it.
Kelly	posted 06-19-2003 01:15 PM ET (US) I have been informed that Whaler will no longer provide the part. I have not contacted Harpoon Marine yet. Kelly
Kelly	posted 07-14-2003 08:43 AM ET (US) Well, I ended up making the bow locker cover out of 3/4" thick sea foam colored Starboard. My first impression about the material is that it is easy to work with, and the fact that finishing is not required makes projects like this very quick. I sawed the shape and routed the edges and was done in about 30 minutes. If I did it again, I might just use the router to get the shape from the old wood piece. I think the piece will look okay on my boat. I have a couple of concerns about the performance of the material over time. First, Starboard seems soft, and it may get scratched and gouged over time. On the plus side, since the color is through out the material, minor scratches may not be that unsightly. Second, I am told that the material may sag a little in the middle when it is hot and require additional support. I will just have to wait and see. One thing I would mention, the material seems to be pretty heavy compared to wood. I would be careful about using too much of this material if weight is an issue. Kelly