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minimontauk posted 06-27-2003 04:32 PM ET (US)   Profile for minimontauk   Send Email to minimontauk  
I have about 8 gallons of "old" gas (one year plus) I got with the boat when I bought it. The previous owner said the gas was stabilized, but who knows. It was stored over winter in plastic tanks. Now the engine is running a little rough. Could be lots of things, but I suspect the gas. Can I safely burn this stuff in my Car? I don't know what else to do with it.
ryanwhaler posted 06-27-2003 04:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for ryanwhaler  Send Email to ryanwhaler     
Put it in milk containers and toss them into a dumpster somewere, at least thats what we do. ;)
JDH posted 06-27-2003 05:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for JDH  Send Email to JDH     
I burn it in my lawnmower....

Jim

gnr posted 06-27-2003 05:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for gnr  Send Email to gnr     
I burn all my old gas, including 50:1 mix, through my tractor. That low compression OHV 4 cylinder will run on Canadian beer.

Sal DiMercurio posted 06-27-2003 10:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal DiMercurio  Send Email to Sal DiMercurio     

If you own a 4 cylinder car or truck, nothing to fret, if it's a v 8 then put at least twice as much 92 octane with it & don't worry about it.
Sal
Dick posted 06-27-2003 11:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
I agree with Sal.

ryanwhaler is showing his intelligence once again by suggesting tossing it into a dumpster.

Dick

whalerron posted 06-28-2003 12:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalerron  Send Email to whalerron     
If it has oil mixed with it, don't put it in your car. Otherwise, it will be just fine in your car. You might also check with your local county officials. Most counties now do free collection and disposal of hazardous wastes.
Sal DiMercurio posted 06-28-2003 12:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal DiMercurio  Send Email to Sal DiMercurio     
The oil in the fuel "WILL NOT" bother your car or truck.
I'v run 1 year old gas with no stabilizer mixed with oil in my truck about 20 times, & absolutly no ill effects.
TCW-3 oil "WILL NOT HARM" anything in your 4 stroke car, truck, or outboard engine.
Run it.
Sal
Wayneman posted 06-28-2003 10:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Wayneman  Send Email to Wayneman     
My old jeep loves that stuff. I've never had a problem burning boat gas with the amount of oil there is in the tank. I prefer to do that than or burn it in my lawn-mower as opposed to dumping it somewhere.
ryanwhaler posted 06-28-2003 11:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for ryanwhaler  Send Email to ryanwhaler     
I'm sorry you feel that way Dick.

We have been tossing old gas and oil into dumpsters for years and have not had a prolbem yet.

Jimm posted 06-28-2003 12:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jimm    
Ryan, why do you think there are fuel recovery systems on all cars produced these days? ANSWER: Because gas is no good for the atmosphere!

Whaleron, my cousin had an old car in the garage ('67 Chevy) and the tank started leaking. I gave her my opinion on what to do but she saw fit to call the local police - she paid dearly for hazmat disposal. Maybe it goes by jurisdiction. In NJ the "boys" (hazmat & firemen) love their toys and will close roads, highways, etc so they can bring out alllll the equipment.

acseatsri posted 06-28-2003 12:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for acseatsri  Send Email to acseatsri     
I wouldn't run the oil mix in a car. I wouldn't think the oil would do wonders for the catalytic converter and other emission control systems. Best thing is probably to mix it with fresh high octane gas to revitalize it and run it in the boat. As far as throwing it in a dumpster- some people never fail to amaze me with their stupidity! I'm sure it's great for the environment, especially when it gets into our groundwater supplies. I hope you get caught and get arrested!
Duckin Whalers posted 06-28-2003 12:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Duckin Whalers  Send Email to Duckin Whalers     
I would caution those considering running mixed fuel through a vehicle with fuel injectors. Your car fuel injectors are made to pump light weight gasoline, they are not designed to push fuel and oil mix. In addition, you must consider the o2 sensor and your precious catalytic converter that will take the brunt of the additional emmission created by the added oil.
My father ran all of our mix through our 1972 Ford F-100 every year. He always said it made it run a little better even if it smoked a little. I wouldn't hesitate on an old carburated rig but, would never chance it in my new truck. You can chose for yourself. Usually, when your car newer cars start burning oil the catalytic converter goes out in short order. They are not cheap to replace.
I think the best bet would be to get a few cheap gas cans and supply you and your neighbors with lawn mower fuel for the next summer.
As for Mr. Gasoline in the Dumpster, remind me toss my next cigar butt on the ground and not find a dumpster to through it in by chance it might have a little glowing ember in it. Not that I would throw a burning cigar into a dumpster. Just a scarry thought came to mind.
ryanwhaler posted 06-28-2003 01:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for ryanwhaler  Send Email to ryanwhaler     
A burning cigar would not blow up a dumpster that I put my gas and/or oi on. I put in in a plastic container and make sure that it is sealed, then it go's in the dump.
diamondjj posted 06-28-2003 01:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for diamondjj    
Your gas goes into a sealed container, into a dumpster, and then to a land fill where it finally leaks and pollutes the environment....good move.
ryanwhaler posted 06-28-2003 04:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for ryanwhaler  Send Email to ryanwhaler     
Sorry guys,
I should have not even said anything about it.

But since what has been done is done, What would be the right thing to do with my old gas? I've been putting it into a dumpster because I don't know what else to do with it. I thought about pooring it in the woods, but I really did not want to kill any trees near my house.

What should I do with it?

Jimm posted 06-28-2003 08:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jimm    
Use it in your lawn mower, etc
diamondjj posted 06-28-2003 08:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for diamondjj    
Ryan,
I believe you are in Burlington, which is pretty close to me. In our area, most if not all trash is taken to a transfer station, then shipped out and buried in a landfill somewhere.
If you cannot put it in a lawnmower, as jimm suggested, or in a vehicle, call your town up and ask them how you can get rid of it. In my town, they have times when you can bring it down to a designated location and they will take it. You have to pay though, but it is the responsible thing to do.
ryanwhaler posted 06-28-2003 11:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for ryanwhaler  Send Email to ryanwhaler     
Yes,
I'm in Burlington, I'll look out for that.

I just got home, My dad and I went to Marblehead today to watch my sister skate, you have a really nice ice rink up there, my dad could even get a beer at the snack bar!!

Thanks for the advice.

Steve Leone posted 06-29-2003 03:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Steve Leone  Send Email to Steve Leone     
Ryanwhaler, you have commited a FELONY three times. You could have gone to jail here in California for life. I am not kidding around kid. If it will kill the rats, it will kill you. Just plain stupid to dump fuel/oil other than recycle it. I agree to cut it down with new fuel (70% fresh and 30% old). You can burn it in any carbureted engine. I would not use it in fuel injected engines though. The oil in the gas will lubricate the top end nicely and burns ashless. Steve
whalernut posted 06-29-2003 07:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Ryan, I don`t know who taught you to just "Throw" away old gas, but they were leading you down the wrong path. What I do, and I always have about 5 gallons left after late Fall from fishing in Lake Erie. I don`t out anything in the gas to store it, because in the Spring on the beach, I use the gas to burn huge pile of wood and debris that washes up form Fall and Spring storms on the Lake. I pour it all over the the big piles and then pour about a 50 foot trail and light the trail and poof intant bon fire :) It never gets a chance to sour the water table or the fishes. Jack.
minimontauk posted 06-30-2003 11:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for minimontauk  Send Email to minimontauk     
I like the lawnmower idea, although it will take me a couple years to burn 8 gallons of the stuff. Mixing it with new high octane gas sounds quicker. As for dumping it or beach bonfires (sand is permeable and absorbent, last time I checked), I'll pass. Here on Cape Cod we have a pollution plume contaminating a huge groundwater area caused by jet fuel leaking out of giant underground tanks at Otis Air Force base. They measured the leakage in inches per day for years. All in the name of National Defense. Now there are hundreds of poor bastards sitting on land they can't sell at any price, contaminated by idiots. Ive dumped my share of paint thinner in my day, and Im not proud of it. I hope I know better now.
NoviceWhaler posted 06-30-2003 12:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for NoviceWhaler  Send Email to NoviceWhaler     
My grandpa always used gas to light up ant mounds.
Landlocked posted 06-30-2003 01:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Landlocked  Send Email to Landlocked     
I won't even go into the risks associated with burning gas or using it to start fires - anyone seen the California coast guard training video where they were trying to set a boat on fire to simulate an accident?

Ryan, looks like everyone has already jumped down your throat enough so I'll take a different approach.

1) Gas is a hazardous and toxic substance - disposing of it in a dumpster is illegal - same goes for used motor oil.

2) What happens when other stuff is thrown in the dumpter on top of your milk jugs? - they rupture leaking gas all over everything.

3) Gas will quickly melt the plastic of a milk jug accomplishing the same effect listed in number 2 above.

4) Unlikely but possible - What happens when the big truck comes and dumps the dumpster in the back - Gas leaks, metal sparks, boom. Everyone in town is looking for that kid someone saw throwing jugs in the dumpster.

When I was a kid we poured gas and oil under fence lines to keep grass from growing. We've all done stupid stuff. Now you know better.

Ll.

Florida15 posted 06-30-2003 01:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Florida15  Send Email to Florida15     
Ryan, check with your local landfill. The one in my county
has hazardous material days about twice a year. I take all my old gas, paint, etc. over there and they take care of it on those days for free - and in an evironmentally sound manner.
dreamer posted 07-02-2003 01:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for dreamer  Send Email to dreamer     
I had approx. 15 gallons of fuel in my boat. I dumped it into my '87 chev pick-up (V-8 fuel inj. engine) and also into my '94 Honda - have not had any problems yet.
tomroe posted 07-02-2003 06:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for tomroe  Send Email to tomroe     
Ryan,

You might want to look for someone in your area who has a waste oil furnace. We use one in our mechanic shop and it will burn just about anything but antifreeze. It's safe, legal and EPA compiant. Now that the word is out that we accept used oil, people stop all the time and drop off oil, gas, etc.

KVT posted 07-02-2003 08:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for KVT  Send Email to KVT     
Isnt everything illegal in California ? :) Isnt that the state that is so enviromentally concious that they bus millions of tourists into what was once a pristene redwood forest ? Yeah , makes sense that ole Ryan here should be locked up.....

Take it easy , he is a kid and we all were at one time.

For those of you who think its ok to run that mixed gas in late model cars ? Well , think about those cats and O2 sensors... I run it in something old when I needed to dispose of it. Just put around 30 gallons into my old F-350 and it doesnt seem to mind much. Although its not injected and doesnt not have cats on it...


Kyle

Landlocked posted 07-02-2003 10:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for Landlocked  Send Email to Landlocked     
My reference to California referred to a training video the life guard agency (whatever its called) was producing in which they were planning on showing how to extinguish a boat fire.

One of the lifeguards was supposed to douse the boat with diesal and then set it on fire before exiting into a waiting vessel. Problem is, according to him he accidently grabbed the wrong jug at the dock and doused the boat with gas. Vapors quickly accumulated in the cabin. When he lit a torch and threw it into the cabin - BOOM. All caught on tape. The lifeguard lived but had quite a story to tell. His supervisor who had nothing to do with the mistake was fired and he was promoted... Guess he couldn't tell the difference between the smell of gas and diesal.

We now use the film for annual hazwopper training.

Back to the subject. I burn old gas in my lawnmower. If it gets too skunky smelling, I mix a little fresh with it. Occasionally I'll put it in my old truck.

Ll.

Dr T posted 07-02-2003 01:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dr T  Send Email to Dr T     
It seems to work well in my 2 stroke snow blower. Plus, the snowblower is a bit thirsty, so it gets used fairly quickly during a heavy snow winter.

On fire starting: My favorite first cousin (three years younger and like a kid sister) received severe burns over about 25% of her body when she (at the age of 6) decided to start a fire. Now that she is past the mid-point of her 40's, most of the physical scars have faded. I have never been sure about the mental, but she worries quite a bit about her teenaged sons.

tds

BW23 posted 07-02-2003 01:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for BW23  Send Email to BW23     
Why not just put in a few plastic bottles and take it to you local auto parts store where they recycle waste oil ?

Duckin Whalers posted 07-02-2003 11:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Duckin Whalers  Send Email to Duckin Whalers     
I'd be willing to bet that every person that has contributed to this forum has commited an environmental crime by word of the written law. I remember my Dad dumping the used oil from our cars on our gravel road to keep the dust down in the summer and dumping it along fence lines to keep the weeds down in the spring. I'm just glad our house didn't have a well.
Ryan is still young enough to be admonished for his thoughtless deeds while the rest of you old codgers look back on what you did and say,"in the old days we used too...." and then tell Ryan how stupid he was for doing that. I guess we all live and hopefully try to get a little smarter as we get older. I'll betcha Ryan has second thoughts about putting used fuel in dumpsters again after this little run of topics.
HAPPYJIM posted 07-03-2003 07:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
Duckin

You hit it right on the head with your post!
We are all guilty of doing some harm to the environment at different levels.
Throwing gasoline into a dumpster is not a good way to dispose of any flammable.
How many of you, that were so critical of ryanwhaler, have thrown your cigarette butts overboard to float forever on our waterways.
Instead of telling some one how stupid they are for their actions explain what the consequences will be.
I still run with sissors once in a while, but only if my mom is not around.
diamondjj posted 07-03-2003 08:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for diamondjj    
Consequences of his actions and alternatives were discussed with Ryan. My impression is that he regretted his action, was not critical of all the heat he took (to his credit) and will dispose of the old fuel in the proper manner the next time.

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