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kingfish posted 11-12-2003 10:19 AM ET (US)   Profile for kingfish   Send Email to kingfish  
I'm hoping I can get some input from the outboard motor experts we have here on the site on this one...

The general question is, "Can OEM dual controls from one (any?) manufacturer be utilized when running two different brands of outboard?". The question pertains to the main motor being one brand and the kicker being another.

The specific question is, "Can I use a Yamaha binnacle mount dual control to operate a 1992 Evinrude 225HP main and a 2004 Yamaha 8HP kicker?".

I am planning this winter to add a kicker to my Outrage 22 and I have been told a number of different things, mostly in the negative by sales types whose technical expertise is not confirmed in my mind. I'm pretty sure I could use a generic dual control, like a Teleflex SL-3, and Louis Kokinis has suggested Mercury Racing's billet-cut controls, which do appeal to me but are a little pricey. I have used the Yamaha control, and I like the way it feels and operates, but both the main and the kicker were Yamaha motors.

Am I chasing something here that can't be caught?

Thanks-

John

hauptjm posted 11-12-2003 10:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
How about a Morse dual control? It seems that they can adapted to most outboards. It would look prety sharp as well!
kingfish posted 11-12-2003 10:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Thanks Jim-

The Teleflex SL-3 I referenced above is probably correctly called "Teleflex/Morse"; I think they have merged or one has bought the other, or something.

I used a single Teleflex Morse SL-3 on a Montauk with a 100HP Merc and it did work well and look good, but I really like the Yamaha control, and wanted to try and settle once and for all just what my options are.

Thanks again-

John

lhg posted 11-12-2003 06:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
John - I know that the excellent Yamaha control can be used with Mercury engines, probably not to anybody's surprise, as I have seen several Mercury re-power installations (from Yamaha to Mercury) and the Yamaha controls were successfully used. But as for OMC, I'm lost. Have never seen one of those conversions.

One nice "Classic" solution would be to use the famous Morse "red ball" control. Downside is that a separate power trim switch, and maybe cables, would be required for the Evinrude. If you're interested in one of those, get in touch with "Eagleman", as he has indicated he wants to get a Mercury control with PT in the handles, and might be selling his. But watch out, you know how he "wheels and deals"!!!!

kingfish posted 11-12-2003 07:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Hi Larry-

The notion of the classic red ball MT-3 has occurred to me; it would be really cool from an appearance standpoint, but I'm resolved to have controls with T/T in the handles. Besides, I'm afraid if I wound up in negotioations with Russ, I'd come out of the deal walking around in the emperor's new clothes...;-)

Any other thoughts out there??

lhg posted 11-12-2003 08:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Well, John, I think I'm begining to see in my crystal ball.

Yamaha kicker, Yamaha control? Hmmmm. Somewhere a Yamaha main engine must be on the horizon? That perfectionist in you won't be happy with mismatched engines for very long!

As for your immediate solution, the universal Teleflex control could be the only answer? I'm fresh out of ideas and knowledge on Yamaha and OMC control relationships.

Incidentally, a new OEM twin engine control runs about $500 these days, plus about $100 for 4 new cables.

lae posted 11-12-2003 11:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for lae  Send Email to lae     
My new Yamaha dual binnacle has T/T on the port stick only. This runs the tilt on both engines. Not very handy in terms of a kicker. I am going to unhook the wire to the kicker and then I can use it for the main. As it is now the tilt and trims used are on the controller but not the throttle.
Larry
Steve Leone posted 11-13-2003 12:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for Steve Leone  Send Email to Steve Leone     
The O.M.C. Binnacle/Top Mount will work for both engines. You will need to buy a common adaptor kit for a 33c Teleflex/Morse (Teleflex bought Morse) or blue jacketed Yamaha cable. The adaptor kit is available from Sierra at a fraction of the cost of O.E.M. It is attached to the engine side of the cable. It does not come with instructions though. Maybe that allmighty guy lhg can email you the factory directions. I am just a lowly animal....
kingfish posted 11-13-2003 09:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
lae-

The dual binnacle mount Yamaha I've used (on our other boat with Yamaha main and kicker) I think has T/T controls on both sticks, although we're not using the one for the kicker, and it also has an additional rocker T/T switch for each motor on the forward base of the control. I'm not sure what that's all about though. Sounds like what I'd want is somewhere in between those two - probably doesn't exist...


Steve-

Thanks for the info about an OMC dual binnacle - that would clearly be an option I'd like to examine. Are you aware of any problems using a current OMC control with a 1992 OMC 225? A sales type guy I talked to was trying to tell me something about a basic change that has occurred in OMC motors (and controls) such that I couldn't retrofit a new control to an old motor??

(I don't want to get into what's up between you and my friend lhg, but it seemed like it was unnecesary for the unprovoked shot.)

John

whalersman posted 11-13-2003 02:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
kingfish,

I just installed an Evinrude 8hp kicker on my Outrage.
I purchased an OMC Dual Binnacle control on eBay which had the 2 T&T on one handle. I took off the Dual control handle and used my old Single handle... Now, I only have the one Trim Switch in the one handle as my kicker does not have T&T.. I can send you a photo if interested...

I don't think there is any problem using a newer style OMC Dual Binnacle control. The cables are the same... It is only the wiring that may be different... And, for the Dual control, this difference would be in the harness for the T&T and the Start in Neutral Safety Switch... These are easily overcome by wiring it yourself or using the older style connectors..

As Steve mentions, you can buy adapters for different engines using the OMC control... I am not sure about the Yamaha control....

Joe

kingfish posted 11-13-2003 02:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Joe - outstanding!

Please do send me a photo.

Thanks-

John

lhg posted 11-13-2003 03:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Amen.
whalersman posted 11-13-2003 09:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
kingfish,

I just sent you an email.......

kingfish posted 11-13-2003 11:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Got it Joe-

Thanks, and I'll keep you posted here and via e-mail (in the morning).

John

Steve Leone posted 11-14-2003 12:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for Steve Leone  Send Email to Steve Leone     
Kingfish, I was refering to the Yamaha Binnacle control, not an O.M.C. binnacle.
whalersman posted 11-14-2003 12:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Steve,

I know we all make Typos and mistakes... But you said above:
"The O.M.C. Binnacle/Top Mount will work for both engines"....

Now I know that many of the different manufactures cables can be used with different engines via an adapter kit.... I just do not know which manufactures have different kits to fit different specific engines...

I have used Morse cables in the past to fit OMC engines with an adapter kit... I know they also sold different adapter kits for different engines...

Maybe someone really knowledgeable in this area can post something here that list the different cable adapters for different engines???

Know that we be good for someone to research and post here for all-time.....

No Thanks.... Not Me at this time.......

Joe

whalersman posted 11-14-2003 12:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
See, if I make typos....

I meant to say in one of the lines:

"Now that would be good for someone to research and post here for all-time....."

And I used to be a speed typist.......
Please pass me the "Gray Poupon".......

kingfish posted 11-14-2003 02:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Steve-

I want to confirm with you what I think would be good news for me, if I understand you correctly-

The Yamaha control box *can* be used in this case (with some adaptations, etc.)??

If so, it would mean to me that I could base my decision on which box I want to use on something other than "it's the only one that would work". That would be great.

Thanks-

John

Steve Leone posted 11-14-2003 07:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Steve Leone  Send Email to Steve Leone     
Whalersman, you`re right. That "O.M.C. Binnacle" was a typo. I meant to say Yamaha Binnacle. Yes, the Yamaha Top mount binnacle (or side mount for that matter) with Yamaha cables can be used with just about any outboard. Yamaha uses Teleflex/Morse style cables. All though they come in different colors (blue, gray and red I believe) they are all identical. The common denominator being that they have the threaded ends. You can put virtually just about any adaptor on these style of ends. Grab yourself a newer Sierra catalog and check out the adaptor kits. To use your Yami control box you can use one side for your Yami and the other side for your O.M.C., Merc, Honda, Suzuki, Chrysler or what ever. The only stipulation being that they shift and throttle in the same direction (ie: "pull" the cable into foward gear). This can even be remedied in some control boxes by flopping the cam and/or repositioning where the cable stays. If using one side of the binnacle for the O.M.C. all you will need is a cable end adaptor kit. Capice?
kingfish posted 11-14-2003 09:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Capice.

Thanks Steve, I owe you one-

And I appreciate the info from the rest of you guys too. I'm really glad I asked the question here; I had been led in exactly the opposite direction. This is what I like about this place.

I'll post progress here as I go forward-

John

seabob4 posted 09-25-2007 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for seabob4  Send Email to seabob4     
Simple. Buy the engine end adapters for the universal cables to run the Evinrude. Just make sure that throttle and shift direction are correct per the butterflies in the shifter, i.e.. push or pull. Run these to the port lever 'cause that's where your in-handle [trim and tilt switch] is. Universal cables will run your [auxuliary engine] just fine. The real kicker is a Yamaha binnacle interfacing with an OMC engine harness. Yellow with red stripe on OMC, Brown on Yamaha. You might want to find out how each cuts power to the motor. Some interrupt, some close, I've been in the bus a long time, but I'm still not sure how each manufacturer treats their neutral safety. That goes for kill switch too. Good luck!

The only difference between the current BRP twin binnacle and OMC's is if you use I-Command gauges. If not, nothing has changed over the years. Still the same two 3-pin Deutsch connectors for [trim and tilt] and two sets of yellow with red tracer wires for neutral safety switches.

andygere posted 09-26-2007 01:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Seabob, you are responding to a four year old thread. Kingfish rigged his kicker motor years ago.
mongey posted 03-06-2009 11:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for mongey  Send Email to mongey     
I purchased a used montauk whaler console and it has a single OMC binnacle mount on the console and is in good shape as the console was stored inside and has seen almost no use. I have a 115 4 stroke Yamaha (currently on a 17ft. Bayliner with side mount Yamaha controls and cables. I plan to put the Yamaha on the Whaler and was wondering if the OMC binnacle will work with the Yamaha cables and motor. Any help with modification kits from teleflex or other info. is much appreciated. Thanks
Jeff posted 03-06-2009 02:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
See Kingfish's article here.
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/yamahaT8Kicker.html

He used a dual OMC binnacle for his main 225 Johnson and the Yamaha T8 kicker.

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