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dan firth posted 01-27-2004 08:49 AM ET (US)
Help! I'm almost out of DAP's Weldwood Resorcinol Glue. It's a two part glue that is designed for exterior marine use. They won't ship it into California any more. I've been using it for years on my teak. Does anyone have any suggestions for an alternate glue/epoxy that would work? I'd gladly pay.... If you look at the third picture at the link below you'll see why I need it soon!
http://www.accentcom.net/whaler/index.htm
Thanks,
Dan
frostbite posted 01-27-2004 10:10 AM ET (US)
I recommend West System epoxy. A great system that is widely avaliable, and easy to use. Check out their website.
Happy clamping,
SFG
Crabby Mike posted 01-27-2004 10:31 AM ET (US)
Dan,
I too have some teak repair/refinishing to do, I didn’t even think about the two part Resorcinol Glue. Don’t know why I didn’t consider it I’ve used it in the past with good results.
I’m using one of the “new” “Gorilla glues” I think they are polyester based but have not reinstalled the wood and exposed the glue joints to salt water.
Does anyone have any experience using this type of glue on teak? Manufacture claims that it is waterproof.
BTW Nice Boat!
Mike
Crabby Mike posted 01-27-2004 10:38 AM ET (US)
I meant to add:
or should I use the West Systems Epoxy as Frostbite recommends? (I cant seem to get this posting down.)
Mike
OutrageMan posted 01-27-2004 10:54 AM ET (US)
Gorilla Glue is a polyurethane glue. It is supposed to be highly water resistant and can handle moderate expansion and contraction cycles (swelling and drying wood). I would use it. Just remember that it cures in the presence of moisture, and that it foams and expands. When I use it, I use a damp rag to moisten on half of the joint and then I spread a very thin layer of the poly glue on the mating surface. Good clamp pressure for about 4 hours at 70 degrees will secure the joint until the glue kicks. Any foam squeeze out is easily removes with a scraper or chisel.
If you can get your hands on it, AeroDux 500 is a great alternative to the resorcinol. It has identical properties, but can cure in a wider range of temps.
Brian
OutrageMan posted 01-27-2004 11:15 AM ET (US)
Here is where you can order AeroDux 500:
[ur]http://www.custompak.com/[/url]
At $70/gallon it is cheaper than any epoxy out there. Also as with resorcinol it is truly a waterproof glue unlike epoxy. It also handles wood cycling better than epoxy. Furthermore, resorcinol and AeroDux 500 do not require a rider and inspections on boats being built that are insured by Lloyd's of London, whereas epoxy does.
Brian
JayR posted 01-27-2004 12:15 PM ET (US)
Gorilla Glue gets two thumbs up!!!!
I have used it with great results and the ease of use is second to none. I just love the stuff...
hooter posted 01-27-2004 12:31 PM ET (US)
Gorilla Glue's good stuff, but nobody's mentioned another option: you could move out o' California. We NEED people here in Louisiana, and we gots no mail problems that Ah know of. Better fishin', too. Come on down:-!
OutrageMan posted 01-27-2004 02:46 PM ET (US)
Sorry about the link above. Lets try it again...
http://www.custompak.com/
lhg posted 01-27-2004 03:02 PM ET (US)
Along the lines of other comments here, I HAVE USED the polyurethane glue (Elmer's brand) to specifically repair the console door frames on my 25 Outrage, before sanding, staining and varnishing. My experience is that the stuff is excellent, makes joints tough as iron, and lasts. Highly recommended. Brian's comments on it's working properties are correct, but once sanded down the joints look perfect.
If you can, pull out the old rotted wood dowel joint pegs and insert new ones in the same holes. That way everything will line up perfectly.
andygere posted 01-27-2004 03:03 PM ET (US)
Dan,
I've used thickened WEST System and MAS epoxy to repair glue joints on the teak frames to my console doors. I was concerned that the oily properties of the teak would prevent a strong bond, but I couldn't think of an alternative. So far the joints have held up nicely. The hardest thing was to get good clamping pressure to hold the joint closed while the epoxy cured overnight. I ended up making some plywood bench dogs and jigs, and used some big C clamps to hold everything in place. The rounded edges of the door frames didn't work well in my picture frame clamps.
Here's the good news: My teak looked a lot like yours when I started the restoration project, and now it looks almost as good as new. It took a lot of time and sanding, but it was worth the effort!
dan firth posted 01-27-2004 06:00 PM ET (US)
Thanks for all the quick and excellent advice! Sounds like a great project for PowerBoat magazine: a test to see what works best on marine teak. I especially want to say thanks to Mike H (not sure of your last name spelling, Mike) in St. Paul who called me this morning and offered to find some of the Resorcinol in his area. He went to three different places for me. No luck but what a kind thing to do for a stranger. Thanks and I hope I can 'pay it forward' sometime!
Mike also recommended System 3 T-88 as an alternative so I'll look into all of these suggestions.
Now I have to respond to the sage advice from Hooter-leave the state! Yeah, man, there are way too many folks out here anyway. The problem is that there isn't much better fishing, weather, scenery and food for me than in the Santa Cruz area. It doesn't get too cold, doesn't get too hot and only rains at night (sure!). There is the occasional earthquake..... But I'd love to come for a visit sometime to your beautiful state. I hear the bass fishing is awesome, not to mention cajun food....
I have to go sand now.....
Thanks again everyone!
Dan
keltonkrew posted 01-27-2004 10:46 PM ET (US)
Quote...
Now I have to respond to the sage advice from Hooter-leave the state! Yeah, man, there are way too many folks out here anyway. The problem is that there isn't much better fishing, weather, scenery and food for me than in the Santa Cruz area
_________________________________________________________
Since I live close to Hooty...(semi-close) I have to defend him....You won't find any better fishin', weather, huntin' or wimmin' than in Lousianna (except in Texas but I think they are related) :) as for food,,,,,dem cajuns got ya beat man! their food will make a fat man cry!

I use the gorrila glue....I'm also a woodworker and you don't get much better~!
http://www.keltonkrew.com/woodworking.html

here are some of my projects......Can't wait to get my boat done, then I'll post it!
dan firth posted 01-28-2004 08:43 AM ET (US)
keltonkrew-Nice woodworking! And thanks for the update on Louisiana. If you folks keep it up some of us Californians might have to trek out there....
Dan

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Author	Topic: I Need Some Teak Glue
dan firth	posted 01-27-2004 08:49 AM ET (US) Help! I'm almost out of DAP's Weldwood Resorcinol Glue. It's a two part glue that is designed for exterior marine use. They won't ship it into California any more. I've been using it for years on my teak. Does anyone have any suggestions for an alternate glue/epoxy that would work? I'd gladly pay.... If you look at the third picture at the link below you'll see why I need it soon! http://www.accentcom.net/whaler/index.htm Thanks, Dan
frostbite	posted 01-27-2004 10:10 AM ET (US) I recommend West System epoxy. A great system that is widely avaliable, and easy to use. Check out their website. Happy clamping, SFG
Crabby Mike	posted 01-27-2004 10:31 AM ET (US) Dan, I too have some teak repair/refinishing to do, I didn’t even think about the two part Resorcinol Glue. Don’t know why I didn’t consider it I’ve used it in the past with good results. I’m using one of the “new” “Gorilla glues” I think they are polyester based but have not reinstalled the wood and exposed the glue joints to salt water. Does anyone have any experience using this type of glue on teak? Manufacture claims that it is waterproof. BTW Nice Boat! Mike
Crabby Mike	posted 01-27-2004 10:38 AM ET (US) I meant to add: or should I use the West Systems Epoxy as Frostbite recommends? (I cant seem to get this posting down.) Mike
OutrageMan	posted 01-27-2004 10:54 AM ET (US) Gorilla Glue is a polyurethane glue. It is supposed to be highly water resistant and can handle moderate expansion and contraction cycles (swelling and drying wood). I would use it. Just remember that it cures in the presence of moisture, and that it foams and expands. When I use it, I use a damp rag to moisten on half of the joint and then I spread a very thin layer of the poly glue on the mating surface. Good clamp pressure for about 4 hours at 70 degrees will secure the joint until the glue kicks. Any foam squeeze out is easily removes with a scraper or chisel. If you can get your hands on it, AeroDux 500 is a great alternative to the resorcinol. It has identical properties, but can cure in a wider range of temps. Brian
OutrageMan	posted 01-27-2004 11:15 AM ET (US) Here is where you can order AeroDux 500: [ur]http://www.custompak.com/[/url] At $70/gallon it is cheaper than any epoxy out there. Also as with resorcinol it is truly a waterproof glue unlike epoxy. It also handles wood cycling better than epoxy. Furthermore, resorcinol and AeroDux 500 do not require a rider and inspections on boats being built that are insured by Lloyd's of London, whereas epoxy does. Brian
JayR	posted 01-27-2004 12:15 PM ET (US) Gorilla Glue gets two thumbs up!!!! I have used it with great results and the ease of use is second to none. I just love the stuff...
hooter	posted 01-27-2004 12:31 PM ET (US) Gorilla Glue's good stuff, but nobody's mentioned another option: you could move out o' California. We NEED people here in Louisiana, and we gots no mail problems that Ah know of. Better fishin', too. Come on down:-!
OutrageMan	posted 01-27-2004 02:46 PM ET (US) Sorry about the link above. Lets try it again... http://www.custompak.com/
lhg	posted 01-27-2004 03:02 PM ET (US) Along the lines of other comments here, I HAVE USED the polyurethane glue (Elmer's brand) to specifically repair the console door frames on my 25 Outrage, before sanding, staining and varnishing. My experience is that the stuff is excellent, makes joints tough as iron, and lasts. Highly recommended. Brian's comments on it's working properties are correct, but once sanded down the joints look perfect. If you can, pull out the old rotted wood dowel joint pegs and insert new ones in the same holes. That way everything will line up perfectly.
andygere	posted 01-27-2004 03:03 PM ET (US) Dan, I've used thickened WEST System and MAS epoxy to repair glue joints on the teak frames to my console doors. I was concerned that the oily properties of the teak would prevent a strong bond, but I couldn't think of an alternative. So far the joints have held up nicely. The hardest thing was to get good clamping pressure to hold the joint closed while the epoxy cured overnight. I ended up making some plywood bench dogs and jigs, and used some big C clamps to hold everything in place. The rounded edges of the door frames didn't work well in my picture frame clamps. Here's the good news: My teak looked a lot like yours when I started the restoration project, and now it looks almost as good as new. It took a lot of time and sanding, but it was worth the effort!
dan firth	posted 01-27-2004 06:00 PM ET (US) Thanks for all the quick and excellent advice! Sounds like a great project for PowerBoat magazine: a test to see what works best on marine teak. I especially want to say thanks to Mike H (not sure of your last name spelling, Mike) in St. Paul who called me this morning and offered to find some of the Resorcinol in his area. He went to three different places for me. No luck but what a kind thing to do for a stranger. Thanks and I hope I can 'pay it forward' sometime! Mike also recommended System 3 T-88 as an alternative so I'll look into all of these suggestions. Now I have to respond to the sage advice from Hooter-leave the state! Yeah, man, there are way too many folks out here anyway. The problem is that there isn't much better fishing, weather, scenery and food for me than in the Santa Cruz area. It doesn't get too cold, doesn't get too hot and only rains at night (sure!). There is the occasional earthquake..... But I'd love to come for a visit sometime to your beautiful state. I hear the bass fishing is awesome, not to mention cajun food.... I have to go sand now..... Thanks again everyone! Dan
keltonkrew	posted 01-27-2004 10:46 PM ET (US) Quote... Now I have to respond to the sage advice from Hooter-leave the state! Yeah, man, there are way too many folks out here anyway. The problem is that there isn't much better fishing, weather, scenery and food for me than in the Santa Cruz area _________________________________________________________ Since I live close to Hooty...(semi-close) I have to defend him....You won't find any better fishin', weather, huntin' or wimmin' than in Lousianna (except in Texas but I think they are related) :) as for food,,,,,dem cajuns got ya beat man! their food will make a fat man cry! I use the gorrila glue....I'm also a woodworker and you don't get much better~! http://www.keltonkrew.com/woodworking.html here are some of my projects......Can't wait to get my boat done, then I'll post it!
dan firth	posted 01-28-2004 08:43 AM ET (US) keltonkrew-Nice woodworking! And thanks for the update on Louisiana. If you folks keep it up some of us Californians might have to trek out there.... Dan