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Hiatus posted 08-17-2004 04:56 PM ET (US)   Profile for Hiatus   Send Email to Hiatus  
Does anyone have any experience mounting an auxillary "kicker" outboard to a '96 Montauk?

I use my boat to troll for salmon on Lake Michigan. The engine will be used to keep hours off of the main outboard and for backup if the big motor ever quits.

I need an outboard that will allow me to maintain a speed of 1.5 to 3.5 mph.

Any suggestions on motor size? How difficult will it be to mount it?

Thanks.

Pat
Milwaukee, WI

CFCAJUN posted 08-17-2004 07:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for CFCAJUN  Send Email to CFCAJUN     
I have a 16 foot Com-Pac Hutch sailboat, with a 2hp Mariner kicker.

The setup is nice, there is a piece of wood mounted flush to the transom, bolted on.

The motor mounts on a spring loaded arm that locks up and down via a pin. Very easy to use.

I am sure there are nice setups for outboards, you can probably get by with 4hp.

CFCAJUN posted 08-17-2004 07:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for CFCAJUN  Send Email to CFCAJUN     
BTW, sailboat's got a 400 lb ballast in the enclosed keel. The 2hp pushes it along nicely, so the 4hp outta work.
Dick posted 08-17-2004 09:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
I used a Panther static mount and built my own set back. I then mounted a Yamaha 8 HP 4 stroke.
There is a picture at:
www.homepage.mac.com/whaler1/PhotoAlbum4.html
Dick
CFCAJUN posted 08-17-2004 10:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for CFCAJUN  Send Email to CFCAJUN     
Nice rig Dick!

kingfish posted 08-18-2004 09:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Whaler recommends in their Montauk owners manual to install a "pony" (kicker) motor on the starboard side of the transom as I recall, and I don't recall if there was discussion regarding the use of brackets or not; probably not. Dicks install is a nice example. I think Barnett Childress has a similar mount on his Montauk with the same motor. We have used a standard 6 HP 2-stroke Johnson mounted right on the transom, which due to the top line of the transom not being parrallel with the water, results in a slight angle from vertical for the lower unit. It works fine like that, but with a small wedge on one side could easily be made vertical (and more pleasing to the eye).
Hiatus posted 08-18-2004 11:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hiatus  Send Email to Hiatus     
To All -

Thanks for the replys. I thought I had to go with an auxillary bracket - I never thought I could mount it right on the transom (...thanks Kingfish). I didn't think I had room.

Mounting it it much easier that way. Mounting a bracket is a job that I would leave to someone else. I hate drilling into my boat.

Pat "Hiatus"

Dick posted 08-18-2004 03:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
CFCAJUN
Thanks for the compliment, that was a labor of love.

I found several advantages to using the bracket. I didn't have to cut the rubrail and I didn't have to relocate the stern light.

Dick

Barnett Childress posted 08-18-2004 07:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
I mounted a Yamaha 8hp kicker to my Montauk as well. Similar to Dick's setup and for the same reasons he stated, but I used a Panther Marine setback bracket.
Barnett
kingfish posted 08-19-2004 08:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
I *think* the '96 Montauk was of the older style in that the rubrail terminated for all intents and purposes at the point where the gunwale meets the transom, and except for about a 1" tab for anchorage, did not continue along the transom to present a problem for hanging a kicker directly on the transom.
andygere posted 08-19-2004 12:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Go for the direct mount on the transom, you won't regret it. I had an OMC bracket installed on my Montauk by the previous owner, which worked OK after I replaced all of the pivoting parts, and devised a way to keep it from bouncing around when the kicker was tilted up. Brackets are a pain, so if you don't need one, don't get one. The good ones cost more than $400 so you'll save some money as well. Be sure your kicker has a 20-inch shaft length, which is required in order to perform well mounted directly to the transom. Dick's solid mount bracket is a good solution if there is some interference with the direct mount method. On your boat, I don't think there will be.
Joe Kriz posted 08-19-2004 01:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
I agree with everyone on mounting the kicker directly on the transom if there is no interference. (Whaler recommended this also)

If you have the wrap around Rub Rail, then Dick's solid mount is the way I would go as those other type brackets are a pain in the neck as Andy mentions.

A photo is worth a thousand words.
My prior 1978 Montauk with an 8hp Long Shaft Evinrude.

www.sisqtel.net/~jkriz/Montauk/montauk.html

elaelap posted 08-20-2004 10:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Pat,

At the risk of boring twice as many folks, here's a reply I just posted to 'thekidd''s similar current topic:

I agree that a fixed bracket is the way to go if you can't mount your kicker on the transom. I've mashed fingers and screwed up my back enough over the years in sailboats raising and lowering kickers on moveable brackets to truly hate the damn things, plus they rattle and have many nasty little parts to rust, corrode and jam. I hung an old 6 hp Johnson Seahorse off my last sailboat on the transom of my Katama and it worked okay, but I never hooked it up to the main motor with a "steering arm" like the one John recommends. When I bought my Outrage 18 one of the first things I did was remove the sliding bracket, fill the holes, throw away the bracket (not really...I use it for the only thing it's good for--hanging my inflatable's little outboard on the wall of my garage), and re-mount the 8 hp Yamaha kicker that came with my OR 18 directly on the transom.
Recently, on the advice of CW members andygere and Joe Kriz, I bought a Panther 'Auxillary Motor Steering Kit' in stainless, model 55-2600, for fifty bucks from Cabelas (they also have a galvanized model for about half that price designed for fresh water only). It's a pretty elegant, simple design which hooks up the kicker to the main motor and thus allows the kicker to be steered by the wheel. The thing works when both motors are down, both are up (like while trailering), or when either the kicker or the main motor is down and the other is up. I'm very pleased with the setup so far, but check with others about other brands and designs of steering arms, connecting rods, or whatever ya call 'em. One feature I like about the Panther model is that it pops on and off (and can be adjusted if necessary) in a flash from inside the boat, unlike designs which attach to the aft portion of the motors and are pretty inaccessible from inside the boat, especially at sea.

Tony

Dick posted 08-20-2004 11:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
As Tony mentioned the Panther aux steering kit works great. It's been on the market for many years under several different brand names.

If your stern light is mounted on the stbd side, mounting the kicker motor directly to the transom will cause a problem when the kicker is tilted up. Using a static set back mount eliminates this problem.

Dick

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