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wfcrawford posted 04-03-2005 12:29 PM ET (US)
Trying to buy a replacement bulb for my '84 Outrage bow navigation lights. There are no markings on the bulb (other than USA) but it's a dual contact, bayonet base. The bulb is the same size as a 1157 trailer bulb and has one filament. West Marine lists a half dozern DC-Bay bulbs but not sure which I need. Any help appreciated.
Thanks.
Dick posted 04-03-2005 02:20 PM ET (US)
It is probably a #90.
Dick
Joe Kriz posted 04-03-2005 04:21 PM ET (US)
Here is the link to the Perko #337 bayonet style bulbs.
The #90 is listed as 7 Watt
http://perko.com/cgi-bin/perko.pl?dis+337-spare_bulbs_for_util_light_info
I would be interested in what the original bulb was also. Thanks for bringing this up.
Joe Kriz posted 04-03-2005 05:55 PM ET (US)
I went out to the garage and took both covers off my Bow Nav Lights.
Both bulbs were #1152.
I am not sure if these are original as I am the second owner of this Outrage 18.
I did a little research on the bulbs.
#1142 = 18.4 Watts, 1.44 Amps
#1152 = 17.1 Watts, 1.34 Amps
#1157 = 27.0 Watts, 2.01 Amps
Can anyone else confirm what bulbs they have in their Bow Nav Lights?
jbarrow4124 posted 04-03-2005 10:47 PM ET (US)
My 83 Outrage uses a T1004 Bulb.
Joe Kriz posted 04-03-2005 11:27 PM ET (US)
jbarrow,
Are you the original owner and know for a fact that these are original?
Joe Kriz posted 04-04-2005 12:13 PM ET (US)
I know that LHG is the original owner of an Outrage 18' and 25'. He also has 2 brand new, in the box, Wilcox Crittenden Bow Navigation Lights.
LHG,
How about it. Can you tell us what light bulbs your Outrages have and even better, what bulbs are in the brand new boxes?
LHG posted 04-04-2005 02:50 PM ET (US)
Joe - I'll take a look for you. I do remember that I had to replace one of the lamps on my 18 Outrage, and that Lauderdale Marina wanted $7.50 for one. Then I found the same lamp in an auto store for about $1.50! I seem to remember it being a single contact lamp? I'll check the originals.
Do you want some photos of my new spare ones, from the original box?
Joe Kriz posted 04-04-2005 03:19 PM ET (US)
LHG,
I will take all the photos you can send me of the bulbs, boxes, lights, etc...
Thanks
LHG posted 04-05-2005 05:58 PM ET (US)
Ok, Joe had it right with his 18. I checked my box of brand new fixtures, and 1152 is indeed the original lamp. The lamp also shows markings of 12V 21CP (candle power).
jbarrow4124 posted 04-05-2005 07:38 PM ET (US)
Joe Kriz,
I'm not the original owner and I don't know if these are original. I am wondering though, how did you research the wattage and amps of the lamps? I would be interested in what a T1004 puts out. My bulbs are 10 years old and still working well. Both are dual contact with what appears to be a brass base.

LHG,
Is the 1152 a dual contact or single contact? I recently had to rebuild my starboard bow light. I did a fair job, considering what was left of the plastic. Any interest in selling your pair in the box?
Thanks,
Jack
LHG posted 04-05-2005 07:59 PM ET (US)
Not interested in selling, but the lamp is a two contact base.
Joe Kriz posted 04-05-2005 09:00 PM ET (US)
jbarrow, (Jack)
I puched in 1004 miniature bulbs in Google and came up with some info.
I did this with the rest of the bulbs also. It took quite a bit of digging to find out all the info. Some sites had the Watts while others had just the Amps, etc.
I did find out that the 1004 had .94 Amps. I never did find out the Watts on that bulb.
Here is the chart from above with the 1004 added:
#1004 = ??.? Watss, .94 Amps
#1142 = 18.4 Watts, 1.44 Amps
#1152 = 17.1 Watts, 1.34 Amps (original bulb)
#1157 = 27.0 Watts, 2.01 Amps
wfcrawford posted 04-05-2005 10:46 PM ET (US)
Thanks for all the info re the lights. One more question. Looks like the 1152 is the original bulb but West Marine does not list that bulb. They do list the 1004 and 1042, both of which are dual contact, bayonet base. Will both these /fit/work, just with slightly different brightness (due to different watts rating) ??
If the answer is "no", where can I purchase the 1152 bulbs?
Thanks.
jimh posted 04-05-2005 11:25 PM ET (US)
Chicago Miniature Lamp (CML) has a very comprehensive catalogue of miniature electric lamps and replacement bulbs:
http://www.chml.com/electric/incan_01.cfm
Some caution should be used when replacing the miniature electric lightbulb in your navigation light fixtures. The lenses in these lamps are typically made of plastic. If a bulb is used that has excessive wattage, it will generate too much heat which can damage the plastic lens, either discoloring it or possibly melting it.
On the other hand, a proper replacement should be used to maintain the necessary light output. Navigation lighting that is too dim is not any good, either. I would not rely on the existing bulb for guidance; it may have been replaced with the incorrect bulb sometime previously. On quality navigation lanterns like those used on Boston Whaler boats, the manufacturer usually has some markings on the lamp fixture to indicate the proper replacement bulb type.
Joe Kriz posted 04-06-2005 12:04 AM ET (US)
wfcrawford,
Here is one place but the price isn't cheap:
http://www.topbulb.com/find/prod_list.asp?intSubCategory=506
I would try your local Auto Parts store. If they don't have it, maybe they can order it.
I know mine are Brass on the bottom and I see some advertised as "Nickel Plated" over brass.
---------
I just read jimh post while composing this.
Here is the direct link to Chicago's #1152 and others.
http://www.chml.com/assets/databookpdf/2-27.pdf
It states on that site that the 1152 has 21 CP (Candle Power) just like LHG's brand new bulbs in the box state.
LHG posted 04-06-2005 02:36 PM ET (US)
Mine also have silver color bases, so maybe they are the nickel coated version?
wwbach posted 05-26-2005 11:33 AM ET (US)
Don't know that anything was resolved in this thread but my 86' 18 Outrage had the 1152 bulb in it (at least on the port side one that was blown!). The local CarQuest and NAPA store don't carry these bulbs (not even in their warehouse) and looked at me sort of cross eyed. The NAPA guy was able to cross reference to an 1142 which I bought. I'll report back on how it works after the weekend. -- Bud
Buckda posted 05-26-2005 11:41 AM ET (US)
Bud -
Make a run up to Wolf's in Benton Harbor.
They carry the correct marinized bulb and are inexpensive (be sure to check ALL of the packages as they are quite often marked differently).
wwbach posted 05-30-2005 11:56 PM ET (US)
The 1142 bulb seems to work just fine. I only observed in daylight, but they are *supposed* to be brighter.
-- Bud
1982MONTAUK posted 05-31-2005 07:16 AM ET (US)
The eqaution for DC power (Watts) is Volts X Amps = Watts.

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Author	Topic: Replacement Miniature Electric Bulbs for Navigation Lights
wfcrawford	posted 04-03-2005 12:29 PM ET (US) Trying to buy a replacement bulb for my '84 Outrage bow navigation lights. There are no markings on the bulb (other than USA) but it's a dual contact, bayonet base. The bulb is the same size as a 1157 trailer bulb and has one filament. West Marine lists a half dozern DC-Bay bulbs but not sure which I need. Any help appreciated. Thanks.
Dick	posted 04-03-2005 02:20 PM ET (US) It is probably a #90. Dick
Joe Kriz	posted 04-03-2005 04:21 PM ET (US) Here is the link to the Perko #337 bayonet style bulbs. The #90 is listed as 7 Watt http://perko.com/cgi-bin/perko.pl?dis+337-spare_bulbs_for_util_light_info I would be interested in what the original bulb was also. Thanks for bringing this up.
Joe Kriz	posted 04-03-2005 05:55 PM ET (US) I went out to the garage and took both covers off my Bow Nav Lights. Both bulbs were #1152. I am not sure if these are original as I am the second owner of this Outrage 18. I did a little research on the bulbs. #1142 = 18.4 Watts, 1.44 Amps #1152 = 17.1 Watts, 1.34 Amps #1157 = 27.0 Watts, 2.01 Amps Can anyone else confirm what bulbs they have in their Bow Nav Lights?
jbarrow4124	posted 04-03-2005 10:47 PM ET (US) My 83 Outrage uses a T1004 Bulb.
Joe Kriz	posted 04-03-2005 11:27 PM ET (US) jbarrow, Are you the original owner and know for a fact that these are original?
Joe Kriz	posted 04-04-2005 12:13 PM ET (US) I know that LHG is the original owner of an Outrage 18' and 25'. He also has 2 brand new, in the box, Wilcox Crittenden Bow Navigation Lights. LHG, How about it. Can you tell us what light bulbs your Outrages have and even better, what bulbs are in the brand new boxes?
LHG	posted 04-04-2005 02:50 PM ET (US) Joe - I'll take a look for you. I do remember that I had to replace one of the lamps on my 18 Outrage, and that Lauderdale Marina wanted $7.50 for one. Then I found the same lamp in an auto store for about $1.50! I seem to remember it being a single contact lamp? I'll check the originals. Do you want some photos of my new spare ones, from the original box?
Joe Kriz	posted 04-04-2005 03:19 PM ET (US) LHG, I will take all the photos you can send me of the bulbs, boxes, lights, etc... Thanks
LHG	posted 04-05-2005 05:58 PM ET (US) Ok, Joe had it right with his 18. I checked my box of brand new fixtures, and 1152 is indeed the original lamp. The lamp also shows markings of 12V 21CP (candle power).
jbarrow4124	posted 04-05-2005 07:38 PM ET (US) Joe Kriz, I'm not the original owner and I don't know if these are original. I am wondering though, how did you research the wattage and amps of the lamps? I would be interested in what a T1004 puts out. My bulbs are 10 years old and still working well. Both are dual contact with what appears to be a brass base. LHG, Is the 1152 a dual contact or single contact? I recently had to rebuild my starboard bow light. I did a fair job, considering what was left of the plastic. Any interest in selling your pair in the box? Thanks, Jack
LHG	posted 04-05-2005 07:59 PM ET (US) Not interested in selling, but the lamp is a two contact base.
Joe Kriz	posted 04-05-2005 09:00 PM ET (US) jbarrow, (Jack) I puched in 1004 miniature bulbs in Google and came up with some info. I did this with the rest of the bulbs also. It took quite a bit of digging to find out all the info. Some sites had the Watts while others had just the Amps, etc. I did find out that the 1004 had .94 Amps. I never did find out the Watts on that bulb. Here is the chart from above with the 1004 added: #1004 = ??.? Watss, .94 Amps #1142 = 18.4 Watts, 1.44 Amps #1152 = 17.1 Watts, 1.34 Amps (original bulb) #1157 = 27.0 Watts, 2.01 Amps
wfcrawford	posted 04-05-2005 10:46 PM ET (US) Thanks for all the info re the lights. One more question. Looks like the 1152 is the original bulb but West Marine does not list that bulb. They do list the 1004 and 1042, both of which are dual contact, bayonet base. Will both these /fit/work, just with slightly different brightness (due to different watts rating) ?? If the answer is "no", where can I purchase the 1152 bulbs? Thanks.
jimh	posted 04-05-2005 11:25 PM ET (US) Chicago Miniature Lamp (CML) has a very comprehensive catalogue of miniature electric lamps and replacement bulbs: http://www.chml.com/electric/incan_01.cfm Some caution should be used when replacing the miniature electric lightbulb in your navigation light fixtures. The lenses in these lamps are typically made of plastic. If a bulb is used that has excessive wattage, it will generate too much heat which can damage the plastic lens, either discoloring it or possibly melting it. On the other hand, a proper replacement should be used to maintain the necessary light output. Navigation lighting that is too dim is not any good, either. I would not rely on the existing bulb for guidance; it may have been replaced with the incorrect bulb sometime previously. On quality navigation lanterns like those used on Boston Whaler boats, the manufacturer usually has some markings on the lamp fixture to indicate the proper replacement bulb type.
Joe Kriz	posted 04-06-2005 12:04 AM ET (US) wfcrawford, Here is one place but the price isn't cheap: http://www.topbulb.com/find/prod_list.asp?intSubCategory=506 I would try your local Auto Parts store. If they don't have it, maybe they can order it. I know mine are Brass on the bottom and I see some advertised as "Nickel Plated" over brass. --------- I just read jimh post while composing this. Here is the direct link to Chicago's #1152 and others. http://www.chml.com/assets/databookpdf/2-27.pdf It states on that site that the 1152 has 21 CP (Candle Power) just like LHG's brand new bulbs in the box state.
LHG	posted 04-06-2005 02:36 PM ET (US) Mine also have silver color bases, so maybe they are the nickel coated version?
wwbach	posted 05-26-2005 11:33 AM ET (US) Don't know that anything was resolved in this thread but my 86' 18 Outrage had the 1152 bulb in it (at least on the port side one that was blown!). The local CarQuest and NAPA store don't carry these bulbs (not even in their warehouse) and looked at me sort of cross eyed. The NAPA guy was able to cross reference to an 1142 which I bought. I'll report back on how it works after the weekend. -- Bud
Buckda	posted 05-26-2005 11:41 AM ET (US) Bud - Make a run up to Wolf's in Benton Harbor. They carry the correct marinized bulb and are inexpensive (be sure to check ALL of the packages as they are quite often marked differently).
wwbach	posted 05-30-2005 11:56 PM ET (US) The 1142 bulb seems to work just fine. I only observed in daylight, but they are supposed to be brighter. -- Bud
1982MONTAUK	posted 05-31-2005 07:16 AM ET (US) The eqaution for DC power (Watts) is Volts X Amps = Watts.