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shipwreck8 posted 05-26-2006 10:22 PM ET (US)   Profile for shipwreck8   Send Email to shipwreck8  
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

What is the weight of a 1976 Johson 85-HP engine? I am thinking of re-powering with a Yahama 90-HP four-stroke and I was told the weight of the Yamaha and the wieght of a 1976 Johnson 85-P are close. Thanks. shipwreck8

Tom W Clark posted 05-26-2006 10:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

A 20-inch shaft 1976 Johnson 85 weighs about 300 pounds, maybe a bit less if it does not have power tilt and trim.

shipwreck8 posted 05-26-2006 10:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for shipwreck8  Send Email to shipwreck8     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

Tom,

Thanks, what do you estimate the weight to be if it has a 25-inch shaft?

Thanks shipwreck

Tom W Clark posted 05-26-2006 10:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

The 25-inch shaft length adds about five pounds or so.

jimh posted 05-26-2006 10:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I would be glad to collect, organize, and publish the weights of some older classic two-stroke engines. If you have data on various engines, feel free to append it to this discussion.
Tom W Clark posted 05-26-2006 11:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

The weight of the 25" Yamaha 90 four stroke is about 375 pounds, a LOT more than the old Johnson 85. Somebody is feeding you a line.

whalerron posted 05-27-2006 12:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalerron  Send Email to whalerron     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

1975 Johnson 70 hp with standard shaft - 202 lbs
1975 Johnson 70 hp with long shaft - 220 lbs

RussAdams posted 05-27-2006 05:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for RussAdams  Send Email to RussAdams     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

Here's the numbers I have for a 1988 Johnson 40HP:

Remote, Electric, Short Shaft - 180 lbs
Remote, Electric, Long Shaft - 187 lbs
Remote, Electric, PT/T, Short Shaft - 211 lbs
Remote, Electric, PT/T, Long Shaft - 218 lbs

Thorne posted 05-27-2006 06:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Thorne  Send Email to Thorne     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

1987 Johnson 70 Long w/tilt......284 lbs

Peter posted 05-27-2006 08:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

The following are typical OMC motors and weights found on classic Whalers. Weights taken from the 1992 Evinrude catalog.

2 cylinder, 521 cc platform, 20/25/30/35 HP
15 inch shaft, rope start -- 115 lbs
15 inch shaft, elec. start -- 118 lbs
20 inch shaft, rope start -- 117 lbs
20 inch shaft, elec. start -- 120 lbs

This bullet proof motor platform had a run from 1976 to ~2005. Often found on classic 13, 15 & sometimes as twins on 17 Montauks

2 cylinder 737 cc platform, 40/48/50/55/60 HP
20 inch shaft, elec. start, man. tilt -- 190 lbs
20 inch shaft, elec. start, trim/tilt -- 195 lbs

These motors populated the transoms of 13s, 15s and some 17 Montauks.

3 cylinder 849/920 cc platform, 50/60/70 HP

20 inch shaft, elec. start, man. tilt -- 237 lbs
20 inch shaft, elec. start, trim/tilt -- 250 lbs

(This motor used to displace ~849 cc and was about 10 lbs lighter)

Often found on 15s, 17 Montauks, sometimes as twins on 18/20 Outrages and 20 Revenges.

V4 1632 cc platform, 85/88/90/100/115 HP

20 inch shaft, elec. start, man. tilt -- 288 lbs
20 inch shaft, elec. start, trim/tilt -- 301 lbs
25 inch shaft, elec. start, trim/tilt -- 311 lbs

Often hanging on the transoms of 17 Montauks(85-100 HP), 17/18 Outrage (115 HP), 22 Outrage/Revenge as twins (90-115 HP).

V4 2000 cc (loop charge) platform, 120/130/140 HP

20 inch shaft, elect. start, trim/tilt -- 365 lbs
25 inch shaft, elect. start, trim/tilt -- 370 lbs

Seen on 17/18 Outrages & as twins on 22 Outrage/Revenge incl. WD, 22 Outrage/Revenge Whaler Drive ("WD"), 25 Outrage/Revenge incl. WD.

V6 2448 cc (cross flow, 90 degree) platform, 150 HP

20 inch shaft, elec. start, trim/tilt -- 397 lbs
25 inch shaft, elec. start, trim/tilt -- 402 lbs

V6 2589 cc (loop charge, 60 degree) platform, 150/175 HP

20 inch shaft, elec. start, trim/tilt -- 370 lbs
25 inch shaft, elec. start, trim/tilt -- 375 lbs

Often seen hanging on the transom of 18 & 20 Outrages, sometime on 22 Outrage/Revenge (as single) & on 22 Outrage/Revenge WD and 25 Outrage/Revenge as twins.

V6 3000 cc (loop charge) platform, 200/225 HP

25 inch shaft, elec. start, trim/tilt -- 455 lbs.
25 inch shaft, elec. start, trim/tilt, power steering -- 480 lbs.

(This platform started out with lesser displacement (~2700 cc) and slightly lighter weight)

Commonly seen on 22/25 Outrage/Revenges as singles and sometimes as twins on 25 Outrage/Revenge/Temptation WDs.

V8 4000 cc (loop charge) platform, 250/275/300 HP

25 inch shaft, elect. start, trim/tilt -- 555 lbs
25 inch shaft, elect. start, trim/tilt, power steering -- 580 lbs.

Sometimes found on 27 Whalers both notched and WD.

(This platform also started out with lesser displacement (~3600 cc) and slightly lighter weight)

I am missing the data for the mid 90s 60 degree V4 loop charged platform which was sometimes found on 17 Montauks and 17 Outrages.



Binkie posted 05-27-2006 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Binkie    
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

According to the manual, 1987 Suzuki DT150, and DT200,both V-6, 20 in shaft 2 stroke weigh in at a heavy 456 lb. A 25" shaft motor is 465lbs.

Binkie posted 05-27-2006 10:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for Binkie    
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

1956 30 hp. Johnson or Evinrude according to my memory weighs 97lbs. When the 13 foot Whaler was designed, this was the most common motor that was used on that boat. A lot lighter than the motors used nowadays.

jimh posted 05-28-2006 12:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

Peter--Thanks for the excellent summary of OMC motors. Perhaps one of our many Mercury motor fans can do the same for their engines.

jimh posted 05-29-2006 12:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

Please append information on the weight of older motors to this discussion. We will move the discussion of re-powering and comparative performance to a separate thread.

Brys13s posted 05-29-2006 08:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Brys13s  Send Email to Brys13s     
1987 Mercury 35, no p/t,remote 214#.
The Judge posted 05-30-2006 03:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for The Judge  Send Email to The Judge     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

What do you need? I have about every OMC, Mercury, Mariner, Suzuki, Yamaha, brochure from the 70's, 80's, 90's, etc. I probably have 100 brochures. I also have option brochures for OMC as well from the 70's + 80's.

A 1974 OMC 85hp weighs 267lbs

A 1977 OMC 85hp weighs 270, 298 with PTnT. 320 in 25" with PTnT.

The Judge posted 05-30-2006 03:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for The Judge  Send Email to The Judge     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

FYI...1987 Merc 35hp is 148lbs with electric strt no PTnT 20".

The Judge posted 05-30-2006 03:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for The Judge  Send Email to The Judge     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

1991 Mercury brochure states the following:

9.9 + 15hp...69 & 71lbs
20 + 25hp....112lbs
40hp...182lbs
50 + 60hp...217lbs
75 + 90hp...299lbs
100 + 115...326lbs
135 to 200...395-410lbs
275hp...550-575lbs

Compare to 1977 brochure:

7.5 + 9.8hp...64 & 71lbs-ES(elec start)
20hp...94 & 101lbs-ES
40hp...142 & 152lbs-ES
50hp...168 & 176lbs-ES
70hp(3cyl)...190lbs
85hp(4cyl)...244lbs
115 + 150hp(inline 6)...290 & 301lbs PTnT
175hp(V6)...349lbs PTnT

Compare to 2001 brochure:

Four strokes only
9.9 + 15hp...111 & 127lbs-BF(bigfoot)
25hp...175lbs
30 + 40hp...204lbs
40BF + 50 + 60hp...236 & 252lbs-BF
75 + 90 + 115hp...386 & 406lbs-XL(25")

Optimax only:
135 + 150hp...443 & 455lbs-XL
200 + 225hp...531 & 547lbs-XL

2 smokes only:
9.9 + 15hp...74lbs
20 + 25hp...112lbs
30hp...163lbs
40 classic(2cyl)...176lbs
40hp(3cyl) + 50 classic...199lbs
60hp....219 & 242-BF
75 + 90hp....303lbs & 323-XL
115 + 125hp...347lbs & 367-XL
150 + 200hp...406 & 414-XL & 416/424lbs-EFI
250hpEFI....484 & 500-XXL(30")
300x....467lbs


oliverweagle posted 06-10-2006 06:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for oliverweagle  Send Email to oliverweagle     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

What is the weight of Mercury 1985 35-HP outboard? Thank you--Matthew.

jimh posted 06-10-2006 06:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
See above.
JayR posted 06-10-2006 09:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for JayR  Send Email to JayR     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

[What is the weight of a ]Bearcat 85?

PeteB88 posted 06-10-2006 10:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

From Owner's Manual, 1992 Yamaha Marine 40 and 50 HP

40 D, 151.8 short 156.2 long MANUAL START, CONTROL
40 ED 150.7 sh 155.1 lng ELECTRIC START, REMOTE CONTROL
40 EDT 167.2 sh 171.6 long ABOVE W/ POWER TILT
50 ED 163.9 sh 168.3 long
50 ETMD 198.2 long MANUAL CONTROL, PWR TILT/TRIM
PRO 50 D 185.9 sh 190.3 lng EL START, REMOTE, PWRTILT/TRIM

Weight in pounds.

Manual copyright 1989
My outboard is a 1992

montauk steve posted 06-21-2006 12:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for montauk steve  Send Email to montauk steve     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

[Tell me the weight of] an 1983 Evinrude 90-Hp

NWB posted 06-21-2006 03:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for NWB  Send Email to NWB     
According to the 1981 Johnson brochure, a 90-HP 20'shaft with power trim weighs 301 pounds.
Teak Oil posted 06-21-2006 04:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

It is about 305-310 with a prop, gear lube, trim fluid, etc.

jimh posted 06-22-2006 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

[Consolidated another discussion on this topic into this discussion; the other discussion was removed.]

sraab928 posted 08-14-2006 10:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

I usually go to NADA online guides - They list boat and motor weights when you look up values. I am not sure how accurate it is but I would think it is close. I got the weights for the following 1987 models assuming power tilt and trim.

Mercury 70ELPTO - 265 Pounds
Evinrude E70TLCU - 257 Pounds

Hope this helps out.
Scott

The Judge posted 08-14-2006 01:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for The Judge  Send Email to The Judge     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

288 for the merc with PTnT. I show 250 even for the OMC.

To answer the question asking if NADA weights are incorrect:

No the 265-lbs is correct for the 70 merc in NADA but that is w/o PTnT. With PTnT it is 288. All of my brochures claim the 70 OMC at 250 with PTnT and I think 237 w/o.

Sarge posted 10-26-2006 02:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sarge  Send Email to Sarge     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

I have searched high and low but can't find any specs on the weight of the 1986 Evinrude 150 HP V6 outboard.

I want to compare that to the weight of the various modern alternatives for repowering...

Thanks in advance for the magic answer!

Peter posted 10-26-2006 07:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

About 390 lbs give or take 10 lbs.

jimh posted 10-26-2006 08:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Weight of Older Outboard Engines

[All questions about the weight of older outboards are moved to this discussion.] List recompiled by pisano


Year Constructor Hp inches pounds Notes


1976 Johnson 85 20 300
1975 Johnson 70 20 202
1975 Johnson 70 25 220
1988 Johnson 40 20 180
1988 Johnson 40 25 187
1988 Johnson 40 20 211 PT/T
1988 Johnson 40 25 218 PT/T
1987 Johnson 70 25 284 W/TILT


2 cylinder, 521 cc platform, 20/25/30/35 HP

1992 Evinrude 15 115 rope start
1992 Evinrude 15 118 elec. Start
1992 Evinrude 20 117 rope start
1992 Evinrude 20 120 elec. Start


2 cylinder 737 cc platform, 40/48/50/55/60 HP

1992 Evinrude 20 190 elec st/man tilt
1992 Evinrude 20 195 elec st/trim tilt


3 cylinder 849/920 cc platform, 50/60/70 HP
1992 Evinrude 20 237 elec st/man tilt
1992 Evinrude 20 250 elec st/trim tilt
(This motor used to displace ~849 cc and was about 10 lbs lighter)


V4 1632 cc platform, 85/88/90/100/115 HP
1992 Evinrude 20 288 elec st/man tilt
1992 Evinrude 20 301 elec st/trim tilt
1992 Evinrude 25 311 elec st/trim tilt


V4 2000 cc (loop charge) platform, 120/130/140 HP
1992 Evinrude 20 365 elec st/trim tilt
1992 Evinrude 25 370 elec st/trim tilt


V6 2448 cc (cross flow, 90 degree) platform, 150 HP
1992 Evinrude 20 397 elec st/trim tilt
1992 Evinrude 25 402 elec st/trim tilt


V6 2589 cc (loop charge, 60 degree) platform, 150/175 HP
1992 Evinrude 20 370 elec st/trim tilt
1992 Evinrude 25 375 elec st/trim tilt


V6 3000 cc (loop charge) platform, 200/225 HP
1992 Evinrude 25 455 elec st/trim tilt
1992 Evinrude 25 480 elec st/trim tilt/power steering
(This platform started out with lesser displacement
(~2700 cc) and slightly lighter weight)


V8 4000 cc (loop charge) platform, 250/275/300 HP
1992 Evinrude 25 555 elec st/trim tilt
1992 Evinrude 25 580 elec st/trim tilt/power steering


Shaft Weight
Year Constructor Hp inches pounds Notes


1974 OMC 85 20 267
1977 OMC 85 20 270
1977 OMC 85 20 298 W/PTnT
1977 OMC 85 25 320 W/PTnT


1987 MERC 35 20 148 electric strt no PTnT


1991 MERC 9.9 20 ? 69
1991 MERC 15 20 ? 71
1991 MERC 20, 25 20 ? 112
1991 MERC 40 20 ? 182
1991 MERC 50 20 ? 217
1991 MERC 60 20 ? 217
1991 MERC 75 20 ? 299
1991 MERC 90 20 ? 299
1991 MERC 110 20 ? 326
1991 MERC 115 20 ? 326
1991 MERC 135 to 200 395-410
1991 MERC 275 20 ? 550-575


1977 ? MERC 7.5 20? 64 ES (elec start)
1977 ? MERC 9.8 20 ? 71 ES (elec start)
1977 ? MERC 20 20 ? 94 & 101 ES (elec start)
1977 ? MERC 40 20 ? 142 & 152 ES (elec start)
1977 ? MERC 50 20 ? 168 & 176 ES (elec start)
1977 ? MERC 70 (3cyl) 20 ? 190 ES (elec start)
1977 ? MERC 85 (4cyl) 20 ? 244
1977 ? MERC 115 (inline6) 20 ? 290 W/PTnT
1977 ? MERC 150 (inline6) 20 ? 301 W/PTnT
1977 ? MERC 175 (v6) 20 ? 349 W/PTnT


Four strokes only
2001 MERC 9.9 BF 111
2001 MERC 15 BF 127
2001 MERC 25 20 175
2001 MERC 30 20 204
2001 MERC 40 20 204
2001 MERC 40BF + 50 + 60hp...236 & 252lbs-BF
2001 MERC 75 + 90 + 115hp...386 & 406lbs-XL(25")


Optimax only
2001 MERC 135 XL 443
2001 MERC 150 XL 455
2001 MERC 200 XL 531
2001 MERC 225 XL 547


2 strokes only
2001 MERC 9.9 20 ? 74
2001 MERC 15 20 ? 74
2001 MERC 20 20 ? 112
Shaft Weight
Year Constructor Hp inches pounds Notes


2001 MERC 25 20 ? 112
2001 MERC 30 20 ? 163
2001 MERC 40 (2cyl) 20 ? 176
2001 MERC 40 (3cyl) 20 ? 199
2001 MERC 50 classic 20 ? 199
2001 MERC 60 20 ? 219
2001 MERC 60 BF 242
2001 MERC 70, 90 20 ? 303
2001 MERC 70, 90 XL 323
2001 MERC 115, 125 20 ? 347
2001 MERC 115, 125 XL 367
2001 MERC 150, 200 20 ? 414
2001 MERC 150, 200 XL 416/424 EFI
2001 MERC 250 EFI XL ? 484
2001 MERC 250 EFI XXL 500
2001 MERC 300x 467


1992 YAM 40 D 20 151.8 MANUAL START
1992 YAM 40 D 25 156.2 MANUAL START
1992 YAM 40 ED 20 150.7 ELECTRIC START, REMOTE CONTROL
1992 YAM 40 ED 25 155.1 ELECTRIC START, REMOTE CONTROL
1992 YAM 40 EDT 20 167.2 ABOVE W/ POWER TILT
1992 YAM 40 EDT 25 171.6 ABOVE W/ POWER TILT
1992 YAM 50 ED 20 163.9
1992 YAM 50 ED 25 168.3
1992 YAM 50 ETMD 25 198.2 MANUAL CONTROL, PWR TILT/TRIM
1992 YAM PRO 50 D 20 185.9 EL START, REMOTE, PWRTILT/TRIM
1992 YAM PRO 50 D 25 190.3 EL START, REMOTE, PWRTILT/TRIM

A2J15Sport posted 02-24-2007 12:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for A2J15Sport  Send Email to A2J15Sport     
The OMC crossflow V-4's (99.6 cid block) also came in:

110, 112 (SPL models. 1980's and 1990's)

100, 125, 135, 140 (1970's) The pre-1972 models were electric shift. 1973 and later were two cable hydraulic assist-"Power Shift II".

All the V-4's (crossflow-1969 and later) were right about 300-310 pounds.

jgkmmoore posted 02-27-2007 12:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for jgkmmoore  Send Email to jgkmmoore     
I'm about to buy/restore a 1977 Johnson 200hp V6 (non-running)engine.Can't find specs. Need to know..the weight.
The Judge posted 02-27-2007 01:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for The Judge  Send Email to The Judge     
I think they weigh about 370lbs, are DEFINATELY cross flow gas hogs (but bulletproof).
footsie posted 09-20-2009 10:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for footsie  Send Email to footsie     
Everyone seems to be overlooking what would appear to be the lightest weight 30 hp motors. Tohatsu/ Nissan built these strong 2 cylinder motors up thru 2001. Their weights vary from 101 to 108 lbs.
SJUAE posted 09-26-2009 02:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
I think LIQUIDNIRVANA website has all sales brochures since 1909 for Evinrude, so you can find almost all data you want here:

http://community.webshots.com/user/LIQUIDNIRVANA2

Regards
Steve

SJH posted 09-27-2009 05:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for SJH  Send Email to SJH     
1989 Evenrude, 90hp, 20"shaft with PTnT 302 lbs.
Don88outrage posted 09-29-2009 04:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Don88outrage  Send Email to Don88outrage     
Here's the NADA listing, don't see anything related to shaft length unless that's tied to model no. http://www.nadaguides.com/default.aspx?LI=1-24-0-5601-928-994-60566&l=1& w=24&p=38&f=5693&gc=mr>c=ob&any=0
Spuds posted 01-28-2014 12:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Spuds    
I pulled this info on my 1993 90hp SUZUKI from NADA. I believe it is correct.

DT90TCLP 2 stroke
337 lbs.

The Suzuki is a narrow V-4 with oil injection under the cowling (you always have gravity flow) and power tilt and trim.

This is quite a bit heavier than the other popular 90hp's of that year, such as the YAMAHA which was a 3 cylinder engine, with tilt and trim, and weighted in at 260 lbs.

The MERCURY was also a 3 cylinder but weighed in at a hefty 288 lbs.

The EVINRUDE/JOHNSON's of that year were 60° V-4's They had remote oil injection, which was prone to failure, but it did give the motor a slightly lighter initial weight, 311#.

The Whaler dealer at the time warned me away from the Yamaha's saying that they ran hot after a few years of service because of their lack of weight (volume of metal).

All I know is my Suzuki is still running strong.

elvis posted 01-25-2014 06:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for elvis  Send Email to elvis     
[What is] the weight of my 2002 Evinrude 200 model E200FPXSNF?
Peter posted 01-25-2014 06:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
About 530 lbs.
sraab928 posted 01-25-2014 08:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
514 lbs per NADA guides.

http://www.nadaguides.com/Boats/2002/Evinrude/E200FPXSN/20002833/ Outboard-Motors

Peter posted 01-25-2014 12:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
My copy of the 2002 operating manual says 537 lbs for the 25 inch shaft length and 515 lbs for the 20 inch length. You have a 25 inch length according to the model number.
elvis posted 01-25-2014 05:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for elvis  Send Email to elvis     
Hi Peter, yes, you are correct, if is a 25" lower unit. Hard to believe a motor can weigh some 500+ pounds!

Thanks!

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