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sraab928 posted 07-15-2006 08:23 AM ET (US)   Profile for sraab928   Send Email to sraab928  
I finally had a successful launch of my outboard powered Rage yesterday. It ran incredibly well. I had some unsuccessful launches late last season due to carb problems on the Yamaha 70. I had a really busy spring and yesterday was my first opportunity.

I launched her around 7:00 last night. Pulled away from the ramp, idled through the no wake zone and as soon as I was clear I gave it all she had. She jumped right out of the water, planed perfectly and really moved out well. The boat handles beautifully, turns well and has no purpoising at all. I did not have a Speedo or GPS. I would give a conservative estimate of about 35 MPH. I ran it around for about an hour and the pulled and parked her in my slip for overnight. She looks great sitting there.

For those of you unfamiliar with the boat it is a 1995 Rage 15 with a 1991 Yamaha 70 Outboard on a aluminum set back / jack plate bracket.

I will take some pics this weekend and post. I have to tell you I am still grinning from ear to ear. What a journey to get here and what a boat! Thanks again Bob for having the courage to do this originally, I now have a one of a kind Whaler that I am really proud of!

Oh yeah and thanks Jim for this great forum.

Scott

an86carrera posted 07-15-2006 11:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for an86carrera  Send Email to an86carrera     
Pics!!
where2 posted 07-16-2006 12:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
Bob's Rage lives on... Glad to hear whe finally met the water again with success. Both you and Bob had some stumbles to get to this point. Looking forward to the photos...
sraab928 posted 07-16-2006 08:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
I had it out for about 4 hours yesterday - Ran like a top - Really moves out well. I will be taking it out again today and I will post photos when I return home - I am on dial up now and there is no way I can do it now.

Happy Whalering!

Raging14 posted 07-16-2006 05:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Raging14  Send Email to Raging14     
Can't wait to see the pics. I have a line an an old Johnson 100. I might want to pick it up and stash it away for the day my TurboJet finally gives up.
sraab928 posted 07-17-2006 09:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
Here are the pics - I took low res pics so they could be posted easier. Enjoy!

http://www.myfishpix.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=181

Larry posted 07-17-2006 11:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for Larry    
Looks great, any pics of how you did it?
Raging14 posted 07-17-2006 12:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Raging14  Send Email to Raging14     
Looks Great! Very nice job. What are you doing with all that "trunk" space?
sraab928 posted 07-17-2006 02:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
I have some pics showing the details - Basically I created marine plywood plugs for the holes in the hull - I then created stringers going from the transom along the edge of where the jet intake orginally was ( this was the strongest area with wood ) to the plywood at the transom. I then added about 3 layers of 3/4" to the outside of the transom and a addition 1 layer on the inside basically creating a sandwich. Its a very strong setup but I wanted to be safe. I ran it pretty hard all weekend. I had 4 people on the boat and pulling two on the tube and it performed beautifully. I reinspected all the glass work after the weekend runs and it all looks perfect. I am really happy with the conversion.

As for the trunk - right now its a big empty space. I have to do some thinking on that one.

gerryb posted 07-17-2006 03:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for gerryb  Send Email to gerryb     
Hi Scott,

I just bought a 1998 Rage 15 with Merc 175, you have probably seen my topic. " Rage 15 Engine won't start". Its good to see that I have alternative now. can you keep me posted on how you did the conversion.
Thanks,
Gerry

sraab928 posted 07-17-2006 04:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
Hi Gerry - to be honest the Merc 175 Jet is a keeper. I would love to come across an affordable one of those. They really move out.

I picked up another Rage 15 with a blown 115 OMC in it and plan on doing another conversion - I have some new ideas having been through this once already.

Feel free to email me and I would gladly share pics and details on what I have done - If you are local you are more then welcome to come see the boat for yourself.

BOB KEMMLER JR posted 07-18-2006 12:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for BOB KEMMLER JR    
LOOKS AWESOME Scott!!!!! I'm really glad to hear that thing is finally getting wet again.I wish i had confidence in my glass and gel coating skills,because thats all it really lacked when i did the swap.Looks clean and factory,job well done! So since you bought this for the kids,just how many hours have they logged in it? ;o) I know i'm biased,but of the few outboard conversions i have seen on the Rages,i think mine/yours looked the best.You can probably run around quite a long time on a full tank of gas with that 70 yammy.
BOB KEMMLER JR posted 07-18-2006 12:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for BOB KEMMLER JR    
PS-Get a water pressure guage and raise that motor up a little at a time and see if it picks up etc.I bet you can raise it a good bit from it's current position and run a bigger prop for better top end without sacrificing the low end grunt for pulling tubes.
sraab928 posted 07-18-2006 07:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
Hey Bob, good to hear from you - hope sunny Florida is treating you well these days.

Thanks for the compliments - All I did was see your vision through.

When people come down our lagoon they all take a second glance at the little whaler with and outboard hanging off the back - it truly is a unique piece.

The kids cannot get any wheel time in NJ anymore - they have to be 16 now and take a safety course to get a liscense. I logged about 8 hours of motor run time this weekend - They were with me for every hour of it (my nephew and niece as well).

I was thinking about raising the motor - it feels like its in the water too low right now - Its hard to see when you are zipping along because of the big back deck. All I can say is when I start working the trim the boat really starts to lift out of the water and fly.

I started the weekend with the gas tank full and its still full - who knows when I will have to refill it!

Take care
Scott


Larry posted 07-19-2006 09:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for Larry    
Scott, how would you place a price on your Rage/Dauntlas? With all the storage, seating and gas tankage, I think you have built a better Dautlas.
sraab928 posted 07-19-2006 11:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
Thats an interesting question. I have a person at work thats been asking me to buy it. I keep telling them not until the next one is done (which wont be for a while as my new home is being built and I have no garage right now).

It has turned out to be a great little package - with a ton of storage space. - The hatch also makes a great place to carry a tube as well so it doesn't interfere with passenger comfort.

Anyone have any ideas what this might be worth?

runpasthefence posted 07-20-2006 12:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for runpasthefence  Send Email to runpasthefence     
This is such a cool mod. The look of a full transom 15' boat is pretty cool.
I do agree that the motor looks a little buried.
sraab928 posted 07-20-2006 06:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
Thanks for the compliment - when you say buried does that mean too low?
WHALER27CC posted 07-20-2006 07:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for WHALER27CC  Send Email to WHALER27CC     
That Rage looks FANTASTIC, I bet even Trafficlawyer would even have to like that one!! Seeing that one makes me kind of wish I had my old Rage back to do a conversion like that.
I am curious though, can you tak pics of the inside where the engine used to be inside the engine box? I would be interested in seeing how you sealed up the floor/bottom and what it looks like now with ALL that storage
sraab928 posted 07-20-2006 09:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
Thanks for the compliment - I can take a picture and post it next weekend - we are going away this weekend and I wont see the boat. The interior has not been painted yet so its just a yellow look. For some reason the inside of the hatch area appears to be this light gray color and doesnt match what I used on the outside of the hull. I still have to color match it and get it finished up.

Right now that center comparment is empty - its big enough for me to sit down in. I have my vests stored on one side and nothing in the center or other side. I am fearful its going to give me a liscense to pack rat some stuff in there. I have to be carefull of weight I would think.

bb79ta posted 07-20-2006 10:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for bb79ta  Send Email to bb79ta     
Rob,
I am an owner of a 15' Rage. I know some day I will be looking to convert to an outboard.

I can't wait to see the pictures I hear you did a great job. It's good to know we don't have to trash the boat because of an obsolete drive set up.

Thanks.
Bill

bb79ta posted 07-20-2006 10:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for bb79ta  Send Email to bb79ta     
Sorry Scott. I called you Rob. I'm lousey at names.
sraab928 posted 07-20-2006 11:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
Thats ok Bill - There is a link earlier in the thread that shows pictures of everything but the inside - I will take them next week.

I see you are located in Berlin - I keep the boat at my Machine Shop in West Berlin during the off season - you are more than welcome to come see it then in person if you would like.

gerryb posted 07-23-2006 06:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for gerryb  Send Email to gerryb     
Scott,

where would you suggest mounting an aux engine, I use my rage on on tidal water, so I want the added safety.
Gerry.

runpasthefence posted 07-24-2006 02:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for runpasthefence  Send Email to runpasthefence     
Found this on Boattrader the other day...
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/2/85030652.htm
sraab928 posted 07-24-2006 10:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
Im sure that 90 TLDI has alot to do with that price - Then again I guess anyone can ask what they want - what they get is truly what sets its value. Thanks for the link - I have have seen a company in Mass called Boat Brokerage thats been bolting on a Stainless Marine type bracket and selling these in the 5K range without power. I do not know much about how they are doing it though.

Gerry, to be honest I don't know where I would put an auxillary engine on a Rage - I remember someone doing it before but I really dont remember the details. Sorry.

sraab928 posted 07-29-2006 08:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
Please see my post over in the performance section regarding engine height settings. Thanks
where2 posted 07-31-2006 11:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
I've been thinking more about this concept of an outboard powered Rage hull and wondering why we could not have someone faricate a "Whaler Drive" style bracket which provides additional flotation, additional setback distance, an attaches to the hull mainly using the existing OMC drive flange (a few extra fasteners out toward the sides wouldn't hurt).

With approximately 24" of setback, you could tilt the engine clear of the water, have plenty of additional flotation while at rest, and the equivalent of a 17' hull.

Mind you, my Rage merely needed minor modifications over the weekend, but I continue to marvel at the boat that Bob started and Scott finished while wondering what the next incarnation will look like.

BOB KEMMLER JR posted 08-01-2006 12:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for BOB KEMMLER JR    
I think you'll find the way Scott and i did it,is the most practical.It's probably going to end up the most cost effective,easy on the eyes,and long lasting.Some of those brackets you are talking about are $1500 and up easily.Thats a lot of coin for just the bracket.Add labor,glass,gelcoat work,and a outboard and you can have a bundle wrapped up in it in no time.Owners of these boats have probably already dumped far too much into a 15 foot boat to spend that much more.The cheapest i have seen the hulls go for is around $1800,so even starting with a cheaper clean slate is kinda pricey that route.
I'd much rather have it cost less,look decent and get me back on the water asap.I wonder how many 14/15 rages they made with the OMC jetdrive?
sraab928 posted 08-01-2006 06:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
I paid $1500 for my newest Rage addition with trailer. It does not have a motor but did have the jet intake.

I have some neat plans for this one... stay tuned. I will start working on it when my new house is complete(some time this winter).

Also pulled the Rage out last night - the old 70 Yammy is being pulled and my 2001 Merc 90 is going on this week.

Binkie posted 11-24-2006 04:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Binkie    
I`m interested in the bracket. Did you build it or buy it?. Also Bob mentioned a 14/15` Rage. Did it come in two different lengths?

Rich

sraab928 posted 11-24-2006 09:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
The bracket that was used was a 10 inch setback jack plate.

The Rage Hull was produced in both 14 & 15 foot versions. The one I have is the 15.

where2 posted 11-24-2006 09:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
13', 14', 15' and 18' length Rage's were produced at various times across the span between '92 and '98. Check the bottom of Jimh's reference page here http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/specifications.html

sraab928 posted 11-25-2006 07:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
I knew about the 18 but my brain farted and forgot to mention it. I have not seen a 13 though. Im guessing they are lower production models.
letsrock posted 01-19-2010 11:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for letsrock  Send Email to letsrock     
sraab928 can you e-mail me eny info on your conversion i have a 94 rage 15 with a 115 omc junk want to convert.
A2J15Sport posted 01-21-2010 06:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for A2J15Sport  Send Email to A2J15Sport     
How do you see the pic's? All I et is a welcome (sign in) page.

DillonBW posted 01-21-2010 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for DillonBW  Send Email to DillonBW     
Me not see pictures either.......
sraab928 posted 01-22-2010 09:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
Try this....

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v472/sraab928/Rage%20Conversion/

project13 posted 01-26-2010 08:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for project13  Send Email to project13     
Maybe a dumb question, but why don't you rage owners try and get your hands on one of those new 250 hp hopped up jet ski motors and just do a drop in? Seems like a lot less work for a lot better result. I bet tons of people are wrecking those overpowered skis and therefore there are probably a lot of salvage motors around, no?
wobstuff posted 06-08-2010 04:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for wobstuff  Send Email to wobstuff     
Hi Sraab,

Can you tell me more aboutthe motor bracket that you used in your conversion.Where exactly did you buy it,and for how much.

Is the boat still going strong and was the conversion a success?

Thanks.

Wobstuff

sraab928 posted 06-08-2010 08:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
The bracket was a jackplate by hydro dynamics - 10" setback. I sold the boat but the new owner tells me its still going strong.
sammysbeachfront posted 08-18-2010 11:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for sammysbeachfront    
Hi Sraab,
I was just wondering if the 70hp Yamaha was enough power for the Rage or was it to much? I'm wanting to convert mine over the winter but not sure what motor to go with. Any suggestions?
Thanks, Sammy
sraab928 posted 08-18-2010 08:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
70 was good but the 90 made it a blast. I think 90 is the better match if you like to go fast.
sammysbeachfront posted 08-19-2010 07:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for sammysbeachfront    
Do you remember what your top speeds was on both boats and how was the handling at top speed?
Thanks for the quick reply.
sraab928 posted 08-19-2010 09:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
With the 90 she ran between 46 and 48 mph. That was without any fine tuning of the setup - Handling was great once I resolved [the engine] trim [position]. The 70 never ran 100-percent-right so I really couldn't say about the speed.
sammysbeachfront posted 08-20-2010 01:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for sammysbeachfront    
Okay. Thanks for the information. I think 50-MPH on a 14-foot boat should be a blast. I have my eyes on a 90-HP Yamaha. Thanks again.
sammysbeachfront posted 10-12-2010 03:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for sammysbeachfront    
Hey sraab928, could I bug you for some information on the modifications that you did on your conversion? Did you happen to take pictures during your journey? Any help would be greatly appreciated. You can Email me if you would like. Thanks again, Sammy. sammysbeachfront@yahoo.com
toddsams posted 07-07-2011 11:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for toddsams  Send Email to toddsams     
im suprised to see the dry weight of the 15 rage is 1200 lbs..thats going to be less after removing the jet drive but still seems like compared to a 15 dauntless that 15 rage hull is much more heavy. That was the turn off to me to do the conversion and i see why 90 hp is needed to power the boat and fuel mileage will not be good..thx
KevinE posted 09-11-2011 09:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for KevinE  Send Email to KevinE     
Hello Everyone,

I was recently given a 1994 14' Rage that was in the process of being converted into an outboard. I'm interested in selling it. The jet drive has been removed, and the hull has been professionally fiber glassed in. It comes with a trailer. It also has a nice outboard bracket that has not been mounted yet.

Would anyone be interested in this for $2300? Or you can make me an offer- 954-634-2089

KevinE posted 01-16-2012 10:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for KevinE  Send Email to KevinE     
Here's the link, asking $1750 now:

http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/boa/2786739293.html

ootom88 posted 02-17-2014 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for ootom88  Send Email to ootom88     
Hey Guy's,

I'm new to the site and own a 96 Rage 18 with an 06 Redline v8 that only has +-30 hrs on it. The boat has a few flaws but is in excellent shape for its age. I puchased it last summer and although it runs fine, I don't care for the jet drive and its drawbacks (poor handeling @ low speed and top end limit of 40mph).

I see that several people have done an outboard conversion on the Rage's, but cant find any info on putting an I/O drive on mine in place of the jet. Has anyone done this or checked if it is even possible?

I am fully aware that this would be a heck of a project, but I love the boat and really like owning something different. Personally I feel that whaler hit it out of the park with the looks/layout of this model, it just had the wrong propulsion system.Thoughts?

Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Tom

sraab928 posted 02-18-2014 07:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
The 18 Rage is a completely different beast. You certainly have the engine compartment room for the sterndrive as the boat already has a v8 in there. Not sure what the transom area looks like as I have only seen pictures and never one up close.

To answer your question - I have never seen one converted to sterndrive, however there is no reason not to explore the possibility. Back in 2005 putting an outboard was thought to be not possible. Now there are hundreds of them around.

Post up some good pictures of the transom area and start doing some measuring. Find a local boat with a sterndrive already installed and crawl around it and see whats involved. The only other area of considering is transom thickness. I am pretty sure Mercruiser has a specific transom thickness and angle they are looking for.

Good luck.

Binkster posted 02-18-2014 12:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Binkster  Send Email to Binkster     
Sounds like a cool project. Anything is possible. Its the pioneers that get all the credit. I would visit a marine boneyard, and look for I/O boats with empty hulls, and take some measurements of the I/O cutout and transom thickness, and where it is located on the transom. Maybe make a cardboard templet. Then decide what brand you will use, and get some prices for the needed parts along with the outdrive. They are expensive. You will no doubt have to move your engine forward or back.
Good luck and keep us posted.

rich

BQUICK posted 02-18-2014 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for BQUICK  Send Email to BQUICK     
Am I missing something or is 35 mph with 70hp on a 15 ft Rage slow?

I had a 16ft7in Whaler that was faster with 65hp Johnson 2 stroke.

sraab928 posted 02-18-2014 02:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
If you are referring to the 70 I had on there the motor wasn't running quite right - the 90 without tuning or prop changing got up to 46-48 mph range. Remember this thread is from 2006 so memory could be a little stale.
BQUICK posted 02-18-2014 03:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for BQUICK  Send Email to BQUICK     
Cool. Yeah, with the jackplate and the right prop 50mph should be easy.

I remember years ago racing against a red Rage with 50 Merc that went 42. I was impressed. I barely won going 44 with my 13 ft Whaler with 50 Merc on it as well.

BQUICK posted 02-18-2014 03:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for BQUICK  Send Email to BQUICK     
SORRY, I was thinking MISCHIEF (closed bow).
jimh posted 02-18-2014 04:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Please start a new thread to continue your discussion about the RAGE 18 conversion. This thread began eight years ago.

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