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K Albus posted 07-18-2006 03:16 PM ET (US)   Profile for K Albus   Send Email to K Albus  
Well, I’ve really screwed myself good this time. I own a 2002 180 Dauntless. Over the years the hull has accumulated a number of marks that would not come out with normal washing. This past weekend while washing the boat, I grabbed a 3M Scotch-Brite Heavy Duty Scrub Sponge, stuck it in a bucket of soapy water, and then began scrubbing the marks using the scrubber side of the sponge. All of the marks came out relatively easily, and everything looked fine until the boat dried. When the boat dried, there were dull spots on the hull in each of the locations I had scrubbed.

I have reviewed the Boston Whaler website concerning Fiberglass/Gel Coat Care and Refinishing, as well as a number of posts here about restoring gel coat, and polishing and waxing. Right now I’m trying to figure out exactly what I did, and how much work it’s going to take to get my boat looking good again.

In order to help you help me, here is the rather short history of storage and cleaning of my boat: I purchased the boat in April 2002. It was stored outside for approximately two years, and was shrink-wrapped in the winter with only a portion of the hull sides covered by the shrink-wrap. For the next two years it was stored in a garage during the summer, but was shrink-wrapped and stored outside for the winters. I have washed the boat regularly throughout the entire time period, but I only waxed it once, approximately two years ago. When washing the hull sides, I have only used West Marine boat soap.

Throughout my ownership of the boat it has remained relatively shiny, although it certainly does not look like new. I’m not sure if I would recognize “slight oxidation” if I saw it. However, while the hull still appears shiny for the most part, it does not appear to be as white as it once was (it seems to have yellowed slightly).

Based on what I’ve read, it appears that I’m going to have to do the Meguiar’s #44/ 3M Finesse-It II/wax routine. Before I start this, however, I’d like to know what you all think. Do you agree that this is what I should do? I not lazy, but I am fairly inexperienced with the whole polishing/waxing business. I would really hate to do even more damage than I’ve already done. Before I get started with all of this work I want to make sure I’m doing the right thing. Any advice would be appreciated.

The Judge posted 07-18-2006 03:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for The Judge  Send Email to The Judge     
No problem, get a good wax like colonite's(at west marine) and maybe some polish if the wax is not strong enough. Just polish the marks and wax the WHOLE boat, she will look great.
andygere posted 07-18-2006 03:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Try these in the following order:

1-gel coat restorer such as Finesse-it

If it still does not shine,

2-fiberglass rubbing compound (3M makes a good one)

If it still does not shine,

3-wet sand, starting with 2000 grit,

If it still does not shine,

4-wet sand with 1500 grit and so on.

Once the shine starts to come back, go through the list in reverse order. Be careful with the wetsanding to no remove too much gelcoat.

Scotch-brite pads can be quite abrasive, depending on the pad used, so I'm guessing you will probably need to do a little wet sanding. The pad puts fine scratches into the gelcoat, and those will need to be faired out. Use a rubber sanding block, and rinse and squeegee the work area frequently to see how the scratches are coming out. Don't sand or polish more than you need to.

An orbital polisher will make compounding and polishing much easier, but it can be done by hand. Work on small areas (say 2'x2') and polish in circles, being carefull not to over work hard edges such as the hull chines.

Binkie posted 07-18-2006 09:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Binkie    
Befor you try Andy`s method which is sure to do the job but is a bit of work, try this. Go to the Auto Parts store and pick up a can of "Astro Shield". Its in a yellow can in the wax section. Its not a wax, and it seems too easy, just wipe it on, let it haze and wipe it off. about $10. If it doesn`t make those dull spots shine, just save it for your car, and use Andy`s method, but I think it will. I found out about it a few years ago, when I saw a 30 foot glass cruiser, that shined like a new car. this boat was over ten years old. I asked the owner how he got it so shiny, and thats what he told me to use. He said he did the entire hull and cabin in 1/2 day and from a row boat. He does this once a year. Since then I have used Astro Sheild on my gel coated boats and my vehicles, once a year. After a year, the water still beads. Last weekend I did my Toyota Corrolla and Lincon Continental in less then two hours. It makes waxing easy, and no they don`t sell it on TV infomercials. LOL
keltonkrew posted 07-19-2006 08:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for keltonkrew  Send Email to keltonkrew     
I too use Astroshield...however I never saw it in the autoparts stores. A friend told me about it and I order it for 20/gallon from somewhere in New York. (no website, you have to phone the order in). Once a year on your car/boat/rv/motorcyle, etc....

on rv's it will actually remove the black streak as well from the rubber roof that streak the sides of campers.

pstollie posted 07-19-2006 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for pstollie    
http://www.buyastroshield.com/indexb.html?gclid=CPTjtqW5noYCFSyZFQodDUgK2A
Sneddog posted 07-22-2006 04:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sneddog  Send Email to Sneddog     
Meguires makes a great Gel-coat rubbing compound that works great!
K Albus posted 08-10-2006 10:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Well, I got the hullsides of my boat looking respectable again. I am a novice at this, so it was quite an adventure. I started by reviewing numerous articles here and at various other websites. I decided to go the Meguiar’s #44/Finesse-It II/Colonite’s Pure Boat Wax route. In order to get the job done in a reasonable amount of time, it appeared that I would need to buy a six or seven inch random orbital buffer. I already had a Craftsman 10 inch random orbital buffer, which I had used the previous time I waxed my boat, and it seemed pretty clear that it would be too big for the job.

I started by searching all of the local discount stores, do-it-yourself centers, and auto parts stores for one of the Porter-Cable buffers recommended by so many people here. I couldn’t find any Porter-Cable models other than a 10 inch random orbital buffer which appeared to be essentially the same thing as the Craftsman model I already had. After a couple of hours of searching I ended up buying a Craftsman six inch random orbital buffer. It was only $19.99, and the Sears store that I bought it at had good supply of the various bonnets available. I also picked up an assortment of bonnets.

Next stop: West Marine. Probably the most expensive place to shop for cleaning supplies, but I was pretty sure they would have all of the compounding/waxing products I was looking for. As I had hoped, they had everything in stock. The Meguiar’s #44 was about $12, the Finesse-It II was about $28, and the Colonite wax was about $20. Total – about $60.

I went home, washed the boat, and pushed it back into the garage after it dried. The next day I began the compounding work. Having never done this before, I was unsure how to use the Meguiar’s #44. The directions indicate that the product should be worked until nearly dry. I began spreading the product over small sections of the upper two hull panels, working it until I believed it was nearly dry. In accordance with LHG’s recommendations, I used a wool bonnet on the buffer to do this. I then wiped the section down with a clean white terry cloth towel. When I finished the whole side of the boat, I went back over the area with the orbital buffer using a clean wool bonnet.

When I was finished with the first side of the hull, I looked over my work, and I must say that I was not impressed. The hullside looked dull, not shiny, and worst of all, the scrub marks from the Scotch-Brite pad were still clearly visible. In hindsight, I am almost certain that I worked the Meguiar’s #44 too long. Back to the internet for some more education.

After seeking some input from the Meguiar’s website forum, I decided that I should start over. I also decided that I would need a more abrasive compound for the Scotch-Brite marks. I went to West Marine and purchased a bottle of Meguiar’s #49 Heavy Oxidation Remover (about $12).

Back in the garage, I began working the Scotch-Brite marks with the Meguiar’s #49. Using the six inch random orbital buffer with a wool bonnet, I would put a small amount of the Meguiar’s product on the bonnet and work the area of the blemish for a short time. Then, while the Meguiar’s product was clearly still wet, I wiped it off with a terry cloth towel, and then buffed the area with a clean wool bonnet. I immediately began seeing better results.

After treating all of the Scotch-Brite marks in this manner, I used the same technique to apply and remove the Meguiar’s #44 to the top two hullside panels on both sides of the boat and on the transom. I also did the same thing on the lower hullside areas forward of the bunks on my trailer. By this point the boat was looking much better. I did notice, however, that this process had left swirl marks all over the boat. The swirl marks were not readily apparent in natural sunlight, but in my garage with a painter’s light shining on the boat, they were clearly visible. I decided I would just have to live with the swirl marks. Unless somebody brought a painter’s light to the lake, nobody else would ever know.

Next, I move on to the Finesse-It II stage. Again, I followed LHG’s advice from this website, and this step proved to be fairly easy, although a bit fatiguing. Using a new clean wool bonnet and the orbital buffer, I began applying the Finesse-It II product to small sections of the hullside. I worked it until it seemed to be dry. I then wiped it down with a terry cloth towel. I repeated this process until I covered all of the same areas I had treated with the Meguiar’s products. I then went back and buffed the entire area with a clean wool bonnet. By this point, the boat was looking pretty good.

The last step was waxing the boat. I began by attempting to apply the Colonite wax using the orbital buffer with a terry cloth bonnet, as suggested on this website. I quickly became uncomfortable with this procedure. In the low-light conditions in my garage (even with the painter’s light) it was very difficult see if a particular area was covered with wax while working that particular area. I was also uncertain as to how thickly the wax should be applied. I decided that it would be better to apply the wax by hand. I figured it would be better to apply a little too much wax than it would be to miss some spots altogether. I used a terry cloth towel to finish applying the wax. After the wax dried, I wiped it off with a clean terry cloth towel, and then buffed the entire area with a clean terry cloth bonnet on the orbital buffer.

The final result of all of this work is that the hull now looks fairly respectable. For the most part the Scoth-Brite marks are pretty much gone, but I can find the remnants of a couple of them if I look hard enough. Also, the slight yellowing of the hull now seems to be gone in the areas I treated. Upon casual observation, the hullsides look very good, but I would not say that they look like new. Also, the area of the hull bottom from the front of the trailer bunks back has not been cleaned – hopefully nobody will see this when the boat is in the water.

All-in-all I feel pretty good about the work I did. My boat was long overdue for a waxing, and the Scotch-Brite marks made things much worse. I spent about $120 and 15 hours doing this, and my boat looks much better now. However, I’m not sure that I would do this again myself. I would much rather spend $500, turn it over to a professional and have him detail the entire boat, inside-and-out. At least for now it looks like I’m good for the rest of this boating season.

Loafer posted 08-11-2006 12:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Loafer  Send Email to Loafer     
K -

Thanks for the first hand update. A lot of good, practical advice for the rest of us. Especially valuable to know about going to Meguiar’s #49 Heavy Oxidation Remover before trying to polish with the #44.

Loafer

Binkie posted 08-12-2006 08:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Binkie    
Sorry you had so much trouble. Next year before you spend $500 for a detail, spend $12 for a can of Astroshield. You can do the job in about the same time as it took you to write that long article. Just wipe it on, and wipe it off. Don`t do it now though you have to let the wax wear off.

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