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rjgorion posted 06-20-2007 02:57 PM ET (US)
Grettings all, I am in the process of adjusting my trailer to provide better support and a better fit for the Outrage 18 than the way it is currently set up. First, I am installing new stoltz keel rollers, which the trialer previouly did not have and second, I would like to move the lateral bunks to a better position. If we use the example on Cetacea Page 73 of how not to place the lateral bunks, my question is: should the bunks be placed just inside the chine line or outside the chine line near the port and starboard edges of the boat? If the bunks are placed inside the chine, should I be concerned about the sump drain (which has a clam shell over it) on the starboard hull bottom coming in contact with the bunk or is it not an issue because the keel rollers will be supporting the bulk of the weight? I have read the trailer setup guide in the reference section (which is excellent) and looked at many photos and I cannot find a good example of just exactly how this should be done. Currently, the bunk supports are welded in place but I am going to buy new galvanized bunk supports so that I can place them in the proper location. Any help or guidance in how to proceed would be appreciated. Thanks very much,
Ron
MyOutrage posted 06-20-2007 05:57 PM ET (US)
I'm not sure you have to worry too much about the exact placement of the bunks since they're there only to keep the boat from rocking. All of the weight should be on the keel rollers.
ConB posted 06-20-2007 08:00 PM ET (US)
I would keep the sump drain clam shell a way from the bunk.
The clam shell will bend and / or the screws will loosen.
Mine had that problem when I bought it.
Con
jechura posted 06-20-2007 10:48 PM ET (US)
Ron
My 22 Outrage trailer had the similar problems until I rebuilt it. From black rubber to Stoltz, doubled and moved the bunks from the outside to the inside. It is basically a self centering when cranking the boat on the trailer. As far as the clam shell on top of the bunk, generally no problem. Shallow water or a short dock and you got to push the boat off the trailer, the clam shell can catch on the bunk carpet. I notched the bunk just past the clam shell.
Jerry
[url]http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/jerrym4/Spouter/?action=view¤t=boat368.jpg [url/] http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/jerrym4/Spouter/?action=view& current=IMG_2452.jpg
rjgorion posted 06-20-2007 11:55 PM ET (US)
Thanks everyone for your helpful responses and Jerry, thanks for providing a very nice photo. Also, Jerry when you doubled up the rollers, did you drill holes through the frame of the trailer for secruring the roller brackets? thanks in advance,
Ron
jechura posted 06-21-2007 09:34 AM ET (US)
Ron
Yes, and if you drill, drill as close to the center of the member so as not to degrade its strength.
Jerry
rjgorion posted 06-21-2007 02:14 PM ET (US)
Thanks Jerry,
Ron
andygere posted 06-22-2007 01:48 PM ET (US)
Ron,
Once you have the rollers installed and the boat back on the trailer, it's important to do some final adjustment to be sure the rollers are really doing their job and carrying most of the load. When I set up my Montauk trailer, I did this by rolling a floor jack under the roller bracket, with an appropriate sized timber on it such that the jack was centered under the roller bracket. Then, I backed off on the mounting bolts just enough to allow the jack to lift the bracket a bit. Jack just enough to see the roller itself just start to deflect. Stop jacking, then tighten the bolts. It may take a second iteration of this process to be sure that all the rollers are carrying load, but it's worth the time. Be sure to use anti-seize compound on the threads.
rjgorion posted 06-23-2007 12:19 AM ET (US)
Andy, that sound like a good way to adjust the keel rollers. I had not thought of that. Today, I completed the repositioning of the bunks to the new location, which is much better. I will install the keel rollers when they arrive in a few days. Even though the trailer was nearly new when I purchased the boat, it was never really set up properly so this will be a major improvement. Additionally, I just rewired the whole trailer and installed an LED light set. Thanks very much for the helpful advice. Talk soon,
Ron
rjgorion posted 07-06-2007 12:47 AM ET (US)
After installing new keel rollers and new adjustable brackets to reposition the bunks, I think I now have the trailer set up pretty well. Some minor adjustments may need to be done for fine tuning but overall, the boat sits on the trailer and rides better than it ever has. I also installed a new set of LED lights, which are very nice. See photos at:
https://home.comcast.net/~rjgorion/Outrage%2018.htm
scroll down to see the photos of the trailer setup.
Andy, the method that you described for adjusting the keel rollers worked very well. Thanks,
Ron
blacksmithdog posted 07-06-2007 07:47 AM ET (US)
Ron:
where did you get those roller brackets? the bunk trailer for my 18' outrage doesn't have keel rollers, and I've been wanting to add them, without drilling holes in the galvanized trailer.
Thanks
Phil
rjgorion posted 07-06-2007 09:17 AM ET (US)
Phil,
I found the rollers and the brackets online at:
http://shop.easternmarine.com/
I think you can also find them on the champion trailers website. The yellow roller at the bow is a 10" and the orange ones are 5". I had to use the 5" because the larger ones would not fit between the center bunks. Much better now.
Ron
andygere posted 07-06-2007 11:35 AM ET (US)
Ron, I'm glad the tip worked for you. The trailer looks first class, and it is inspiring me to begin mods/rehab on my all-bunk EZ Loader soon. How's the fishing been down in your neck of the woods?
rjgorion posted 07-06-2007 07:58 PM ET (US)
Thanks Andy.
If you need or want any help with the rehab of your trailer give me a call. Lake Berryessa fishing is great and I've picked up a few Sripers in the river lately but haven't been out to chase the Salmon because it has been slow lately, as I'm sure you know. Thanks again. Talk soon,
Ron

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Author	Topic: Trailer adjustment for Outrage 18
rjgorion	posted 06-20-2007 02:57 PM ET (US) Grettings all, I am in the process of adjusting my trailer to provide better support and a better fit for the Outrage 18 than the way it is currently set up. First, I am installing new stoltz keel rollers, which the trialer previouly did not have and second, I would like to move the lateral bunks to a better position. If we use the example on Cetacea Page 73 of how not to place the lateral bunks, my question is: should the bunks be placed just inside the chine line or outside the chine line near the port and starboard edges of the boat? If the bunks are placed inside the chine, should I be concerned about the sump drain (which has a clam shell over it) on the starboard hull bottom coming in contact with the bunk or is it not an issue because the keel rollers will be supporting the bulk of the weight? I have read the trailer setup guide in the reference section (which is excellent) and looked at many photos and I cannot find a good example of just exactly how this should be done. Currently, the bunk supports are welded in place but I am going to buy new galvanized bunk supports so that I can place them in the proper location. Any help or guidance in how to proceed would be appreciated. Thanks very much, Ron
MyOutrage	posted 06-20-2007 05:57 PM ET (US) I'm not sure you have to worry too much about the exact placement of the bunks since they're there only to keep the boat from rocking. All of the weight should be on the keel rollers.
ConB	posted 06-20-2007 08:00 PM ET (US) I would keep the sump drain clam shell a way from the bunk. The clam shell will bend and / or the screws will loosen. Mine had that problem when I bought it. Con
jechura	posted 06-20-2007 10:48 PM ET (US) Ron My 22 Outrage trailer had the similar problems until I rebuilt it. From black rubber to Stoltz, doubled and moved the bunks from the outside to the inside. It is basically a self centering when cranking the boat on the trailer. As far as the clam shell on top of the bunk, generally no problem. Shallow water or a short dock and you got to push the boat off the trailer, the clam shell can catch on the bunk carpet. I notched the bunk just past the clam shell. Jerry [url]http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/jerrym4/Spouter/?action=view¤t=boat368.jpg [url/] http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/jerrym4/Spouter/?action=view& current=IMG_2452.jpg
rjgorion	posted 06-20-2007 11:55 PM ET (US) Thanks everyone for your helpful responses and Jerry, thanks for providing a very nice photo. Also, Jerry when you doubled up the rollers, did you drill holes through the frame of the trailer for secruring the roller brackets? thanks in advance, Ron
jechura	posted 06-21-2007 09:34 AM ET (US) Ron Yes, and if you drill, drill as close to the center of the member so as not to degrade its strength. Jerry
rjgorion	posted 06-21-2007 02:14 PM ET (US) Thanks Jerry, Ron
andygere	posted 06-22-2007 01:48 PM ET (US) Ron, Once you have the rollers installed and the boat back on the trailer, it's important to do some final adjustment to be sure the rollers are really doing their job and carrying most of the load. When I set up my Montauk trailer, I did this by rolling a floor jack under the roller bracket, with an appropriate sized timber on it such that the jack was centered under the roller bracket. Then, I backed off on the mounting bolts just enough to allow the jack to lift the bracket a bit. Jack just enough to see the roller itself just start to deflect. Stop jacking, then tighten the bolts. It may take a second iteration of this process to be sure that all the rollers are carrying load, but it's worth the time. Be sure to use anti-seize compound on the threads.
rjgorion	posted 06-23-2007 12:19 AM ET (US) Andy, that sound like a good way to adjust the keel rollers. I had not thought of that. Today, I completed the repositioning of the bunks to the new location, which is much better. I will install the keel rollers when they arrive in a few days. Even though the trailer was nearly new when I purchased the boat, it was never really set up properly so this will be a major improvement. Additionally, I just rewired the whole trailer and installed an LED light set. Thanks very much for the helpful advice. Talk soon, Ron
rjgorion	posted 07-06-2007 12:47 AM ET (US) After installing new keel rollers and new adjustable brackets to reposition the bunks, I think I now have the trailer set up pretty well. Some minor adjustments may need to be done for fine tuning but overall, the boat sits on the trailer and rides better than it ever has. I also installed a new set of LED lights, which are very nice. See photos at: https://home.comcast.net/~rjgorion/Outrage%2018.htm scroll down to see the photos of the trailer setup. Andy, the method that you described for adjusting the keel rollers worked very well. Thanks, Ron
blacksmithdog	posted 07-06-2007 07:47 AM ET (US) Ron: where did you get those roller brackets? the bunk trailer for my 18' outrage doesn't have keel rollers, and I've been wanting to add them, without drilling holes in the galvanized trailer. Thanks Phil
rjgorion	posted 07-06-2007 09:17 AM ET (US) Phil, I found the rollers and the brackets online at: http://shop.easternmarine.com/ I think you can also find them on the champion trailers website. The yellow roller at the bow is a 10" and the orange ones are 5". I had to use the 5" because the larger ones would not fit between the center bunks. Much better now. Ron
andygere	posted 07-06-2007 11:35 AM ET (US) Ron, I'm glad the tip worked for you. The trailer looks first class, and it is inspiring me to begin mods/rehab on my all-bunk EZ Loader soon. How's the fishing been down in your neck of the woods?
rjgorion	posted 07-06-2007 07:58 PM ET (US) Thanks Andy. If you need or want any help with the rehab of your trailer give me a call. Lake Berryessa fishing is great and I've picked up a few Sripers in the river lately but haven't been out to chase the Salmon because it has been slow lately, as I'm sure you know. Thanks again. Talk soon, Ron