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pglein posted 06-18-2008 03:29 PM ET (US)   Profile for pglein   Send Email to pglein  
Ok, I have a 1984 Johnson V6 that has already been upgraded to the new four-wire VRO pump. However, I'd like to also install a System Check gauge so that I will have warning lights and buzzers for all those critical things like low-oil and over-temp

I've already ordered a tachometer with the SystemsCheck lights integrated into it so all I need to do now is figure out how to connect it.

According to the Reference article on VRO's, there is a kit called #176709 that can be used to accomplish this. I contacted SeaWay Marine in Seattle, who specializes in hard-to find parts for OMC outboards and they said they could get it, but it was over $300, and it wasn't totally clear on exactly what it was. It seems as though it includes the new pickup for the VRO tank and the cabling to the engine and the console, but I'm still not totally clear on what it does and does not accomplish. Has anyone installed this kit on their engine? Does anyone have pictures of it? Can you describe it? I've searched the internet far and wide and come up with nothing more than the article on this site that references it.

Any input would be appreciated. I think I want to do this, but before I spend over $300 on it, I want to make sure it will do what I'm hoping it will.

jimh posted 06-18-2008 05:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I have purchased the System Check upgrade kit and installed it myself on my 1992 Evinrude 225 TXENR motor.

The kit does not include the actual SystemCheck gauge. You can either buy a separate SystemCheck gauge which has the four annunciator lights, or you can buy a new tachometer with SystemCheck built-in. I opted for the separate SystemCheck gauge, about $65.

Working from memory, I recall the kit contains:

--new oil reservoir pickup and sensor

--new engine main harness adaptor

--new wiring harness, engine to system SystemCheck gauge

--numerous small connectors, pins, color coded wires, brackets, etc.

--new alarm sounder or buzzer

Installing the kit is a fairly complicated undertaking that involves re-wiring quite a few circuits under the engine cowling. I describe this from the perspective of having worked for 45 years with electronics, tools, wires, connectors, etc. You have to remove some pins, replace some wires, install new harnesses, and so on. Plan on a weekend of work.

I have the kit and instructions (somewhere). If I can find it I can look up more specifics.

rabyers1 posted 06-27-2008 04:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for rabyers1  Send Email to rabyers1     
I have a 1995 115 OMC with 4-wire VRO and want to upgrade the alarm system to the system check gauge with four alarm indicators. I know from information in the Reference section that there is an wiring adapter kit (OMC 0176709) that makes this upgrade possible. I found one source for it so far at a cost of over $300. Can anyone tell me if this price is what I should expect to pay or know of a less expensive source for this adapter kit?
jimh posted 06-27-2008 09:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I don't recall the exact price when I purchased the upgrade about two years ago, but $300 is approximately the price. As far as I know the only source of the kit is from Bombardier via a dealer.
jimh posted 06-27-2008 09:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The kit also contains:

--a new cap for the oil reservoir tank

--a long length of new hose to connect the tank to the engine

--new primer bulb for the oil supply hose

--new gaskets

--all the screws, nylon cable ties, hardware, and little odd pieces you will need, and probably more; I have quite a collection of parts left over.

After you install the kit the only part of the oil system that will be original will be the oil tank itself and the hardware holding it down. You will have a new pick-up, a new float switch, a new oil line, new primer bulb, new cap, new gaskets, new filter screen for the end of the pick up hose, and a new cable running from the tank back to the engine to connect into the alarm system (that will mate to a new connector you will install as part of the modification). If your oil tank is old, you might consider just buying the tank body, too. That way you could sell the entire old tank as an assembly.

I'd have to go to the boat to refresh my memory on how the wiring harnesses are configured, but as I recall there is a new harness that will run from the engine to the helm, and some type of adapter that will integrate the old main harness and connector to the new set up.

rabyers1 posted 06-27-2008 11:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for rabyers1  Send Email to rabyers1     
Jimh & pglein,

Thanks for your help with this. I guess I was thinking that this kit consisted of just the wiring harness, connectors, etc.

Pglein - After reading your entry, I did more searching and found a diagram on the BRP site of the entire kit contents, with each included item identified by name. It's in the parts section, under "OB Accessories" tab, then go to folder "2001-2004", then to "Electical System (Misc.)", then to "Engine Cable Adapter Kit - 95 Boat to 99 Engine System Check". (Took me a while to find it). Also found the kit for sale at Boats.net, where it is called "BRP ADPTR KT, 95BE/96SC". Their price is $303.00. After seeing what is included and Jim's description as well, I now understand why the price point is where it is!

Jimh - besides this kit, the 4 wire VRO and the 2" System Check Gauge, is there anything else that you remember needing to complete this upgrade? Thanks for the help. I am a new member and this is a great site.

jimh posted 06-28-2008 09:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The OMC SystemCheck Upgrade kit modifies the wiring of the alarm system. In the original configuration there are four sensors which can trigger an alarm. The sensors are:

--oil reservoir level float switch

--cylinder head temperature-sensitive switch

--fuel line vacuum switch

--OMS ("VRO2") pump flow sensor

In the original configuration, all of these sensors were connected in parallel in a wired-OR configuration to the TAN alarm wire. If any sensor detected a fault condition it would pull the TAN alarm wire to ground. This would cause the aural alarm sounder to operate, alerting the operator of the fault condition.

Because all the sensors were wired parallel, you could not distinguish which one was triggering the alarm, except by interpretation of the alarm cadence or the circumstances of the alarm.

In the new configuration, the four alarm sensors are kept separate. Much of the electrical modification consists of re-wiring the various sensors with new wire and new connectors. The TAN wire is now changed to TAN plus a color identification stripe for each sensor. Instead of one TAN wire to the helm there are four TAN-plus-color-stripe wires.

The four alarm wires connect to the SystemCheck gauge. When an individual alarm sensor indicates a fault condition, the SystemCheck gauge identifies which sensor is signaling.

The aural alert is also changed. In the old configuration the aural alert was supplied with battery voltage and the common TAN alarm conductor turned on the alert when it was grounded. The new aural alert is driven from the SystemCheck gauge. The SystemCheck gauge tells the aural alert to sound and controls the cadence.

In the new system I am not certain if the aural alarm has a distinct cadence for each alarm or not. I have only had the alarm go off once, and that was for the low oil reservoir level (and it was intentionally done to check that the level sensor was working). The alarm gave an alert for about 30-seconds, then it changed its cadence and went to a staccato chirp once every ten seconds or so.

In the new system the aural alert sounds at power-up. Each time you turn the ignition key from OFF to ON the aural alert will briefly sound. This is a good way to confirm that it is working.

The SystemCheck gauge has a Deutsch connector (8-pin). The upgrade provides a new wiring harness to carry the alarm signals from the engine to the helm.

I believe the reason you have to change the oil float sensor in the oil reservoir tank is related to the alarm cadence. The old sensor was designed to not be a steady contact closure, but instead it gave an intermittent closure when the oil level was low (to create the distinctive alarm cadence in the aural alert sounder). In the new float switch it apparently just gives a closure when the float switch operates, and the SystemCheck gauge handles the identification.

The temperature sensor, fuel vacuum sensor, and OMS pump sensor remain unchanged in the new system.

ASIDE: Check your fuel line vacuum switch sensor when you make this modification. On my engine the fuel line vacuum switch sensor failed after I installed this modification. The failure was not directly related to the modification. The fuel line vacuum switch developed a leak and was venting gasoline. I replaced the vacuum switch with a new OEM part; cost was about $75. The old part had a two-piece body that was glued or joined. It failed at the joint. The new part has a better design and looks less prone to fail. As it happens I was just at my local Evinrude dealer this week and noticed there was an engine in the shop for service; they were replacing the fuel vacuum switch sensor due to a leak.

System Check Gauge Wiring

Looking at the back-side of the gauge, holding it upright, the pin layout is:

1-2-3-4
8-7-6-5

Pin 1 = 12 Vdc VIOLET
Pin 2 = Ground or battery negative BLACK
Pin 3 = Tachometer signal GRAY

A ground on the following pins activates the associated indicator:

Pin 4 = No Oil (OMS sensor) TAN/YELLOW stripe
Pin 5 = Low Oil (Reservoir float) TAN/BLACK stripe
Pin 7 = Check Engine (fuel vacuum sensor) TAN/ORANGE stripe
Pin 6 = Engine Hot (cylinder head sensor) TAN

Pin 8 = Activate Aural Alert (supplies a ground to the horn circuit when any of pins 4 - 7 are grounded) TAN/BLUE stripe

jimh posted 06-28-2008 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
rabyers1--that was some strong work to dig into the shop.evinrude.com parts section and find that listing. When I tried to follow that same path I encountered an error from the server. Perhaps it is only temporary and that resource will return soon.


This is the listing you also mentioned where a vendor had the kit for sale:

http://www.boats.net/parts/detail/brp/B-0176709.html

Incidentally, the packaging of the kit I purchased was all labeled with the older OMC logotypes. My guess is that the kit was sitting in a warehouse somewhere and had been manufactured before the BRP takeover of OMC.

rabyers1 posted 06-28-2008 09:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for rabyers1  Send Email to rabyers1     
Jimh,I tried the shop.evinrude.com route and encountered the server error as well. Try www.brp.com instead. It is a much longer path as you have to select the country first, then go to the "Related Products' tab, which when cursored-over will show a drop down menu that includes "parts". When you click parts, it will show a prompt to "Visit the site now" Following this will take you to another site which is titled BRP Parts Catalog. After responding to the request to provide your e-mail address, you will be redirected to the catalog search page. Select "OB Accessories" in the "Products:" drop down menu, then the "2001-2004 folder", then the "ELECTRICAL SYSTEM (Misc.)" folder, then the subfolder "ENGINE CABLE ADAPTER KIT - 95 BOAT to 99 ENGINE SYSTEM CHECK" That should bring up the diagram and parts list/description. WHEW! But it works.

Once again, thank you for all of your help. Your detailed description for how this system upgrade works and the components involved will be very beneficial when I start this project. I do appreciate it. I have my gauge - just waiting for the kit and a work window in which to cooperate.      

jimh posted 06-29-2008 12:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
You can get to the alternate part search website from here:

http://epc.brp.com/

Here is a diagram showing what is included in the kit

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/graphics/ OMC_SystemCheckKit728x459.gif

jimh posted 06-29-2008 12:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I added a link to this discussion from the REFERENCE article on the VRO or OMS oil system in which the upgrade kit is mentioned. I am certain that this information about how to locate the kit and what parts are included will be useful for anyone planning to upgrade their older OMC motor.
jimh posted 06-30-2008 11:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
This article is now the number one hit in GOOGLE for a search on the terms "OMC SystemCheck Upgrade."
pglein posted 11-06-2008 02:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
If a person didn't want to spend $300 for the kit I would think they could conceivably manually wire each sensor individually to a labeled light on the dash that would indicate the cause of the fault, and achieve some of the same results of the systems-check display.

The low oil light would flash, rather than stay on, due to the design of the older sender, unless you replaced it. No big deal. The temperature light would simply come on if it overheated. On the V models, since there are two sensors, you could even wire two lights, to indicate which head was overheating (for whatever that's worth). I'm guessing the oil flow switch would have to be added, unless it's built in to the 4 wire pump. But as I'm pretty sure we've concluded in other discussions, the VRO pump will not continue to pump fuel if there is no oil flowing through it, so it may not be strictly necessary. And there would be no "check engine" light, but I'm not quite sure what a fuel vacuum sensor really tells you anyway. Does anyone know?

But help me out here, you wouldn't want to have ONLY the lights. You would want to have the buzzer sound for any fault, and then have the correct light come on for the individual fault. How do you ensure that voltage does not back-feed through the buzzer to the other lights? Not possible, right? I guess you'd need multiple buzzers. Looks like a simple, univerasal piezo alarm is $15 at Fisheries Supply. You'd need at least two. Indicator lights are about $7 each. So, $45 plus wire and connectors. You could probably do the whole thing for under $100. Not exactly SystemsCheck, but not bad for a fraction of the price.

jimh posted 11-06-2008 09:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The vacuum operated switch which is T-ed into the fuel line monitors the suction in the fuel line. If the fuel line suction exceeds the threshold of the switch, a contact closes and provides an electrical circuit for the alarm function. I believe this is only provided on the larger motors. On a smaller motor with the System Check gauge, I don't really know what circuit is wired to the CHECK ENGINE alarm.
jimh posted 11-07-2008 08:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I don't think the price of the upgrade kit is excessive. It includes many items, including non-electrical parts like:

--new oil pick up assembly
--new oil filter
--new oil breather cap
--new oil lines
--new oil primer bulb
--new oil float switch sensor

The only part of the oil system that is re-used is the plastic tank and its mounting parts. These new parts will give your oil system a complete makeover. At OEM retail price, I am sure all of those individual parts would be well over $100 total.

Among the electrical parts there are over ten new connectors involved. If you have priced any sort of electrical connector lately, you will know that even the smallest of connectors when purchased one at a time is usually at least $6 plus shipping, and a large multi-pin connector can be considerably more. So if we allow another $100 just for the connectors it is a reasonable cost.

Unless you happen to have a marvelous inventory of marine-grade wire in a very wide selection of color coded insulation, you would probably spend $50 minimum buying all the wire you will need for this modification.

We still don't have the buzzer, and that is probably a $25 part.

By this rough estimate there is at least $275 of "stuff" in the kit. Going with the OEM field modification kit probably is slightly more expensive than rolling your own modification, but I believe there is some value in it. When you're done you'll have a motor that matches up to OEM connectors and standard rigging. That has some value, too.


pglein posted 11-07-2008 10:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Jimh,

I'm not saying that it's excessive for what you get. But when you consider that, in order to do the upgrade you also have to buy the SystemsCheck gauge, the harness that runs from the engine to the console, and a new key, the price of the upgrade goes up. And then consider that, in most cases, you're replacing a lot of parts that are still perfectly functional, and gaining only a minimal amount of extra information.

I would definitely like to make this upgrade to my engine at some point, but I see it probably costing as much as $500 when it's all said and done. It will have to wait. In the mean time, I will consider installing some custom warning lights for a fraction of the price.

Of more value, might be installing an independent water temperature gauge and sensor, and relying on the original buzzer system for the low-oil warning. That way, you'd be able to monitor the actual temperature, not just whether it's above or below some unknown pre-set level.

Anyway, I'm just weighing the options. I know that I need some sort of instrumentation for low-oil and overheat, as those are the two things that have gotten me into trouble in the past. It's just a question of what provides the best solution for the right amount of money and effort.

jbelway posted 08-11-2009 06:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for jbelway  Send Email to jbelway     
Hello out there... new guy here, I'm about to tackle switching my '89, 70hp Johnson to the System Check set-up from collecting pieces here and there on Ebay. I'd like to know if anyone actually has the installation instructions that I could get a copy of or knows where I can download a copy from? I'm a licensed auto tech and just getting into boating, since there wasn't any gauges in the boat to begin with, I'm looking forward to doing this upgrade.

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