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Vic633 posted 11-27-2008 10:45 AM ET (US)
I recently purchased [a combined sidelight and chock fitting] for my 1975 13 sport and wondered a couple of things. Does the lip on the front go over the rub rail? How do I route the wire for this setup? I have a wire leading to the bow along the rub rail, but do [I] need to drill and fish a wire? Or can [the wiring] run outside of the deck? Take a look at the first couple of images and tell me what you think.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32806722@N04/
Thanks
Victoria

jimh posted 11-27-2008 08:42 PM ET (US)
Questions about how to wire the combined sidelights at the bow are frequently asked and that is why there is an answer in the section FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS. See
Q4: How Do I Repair the Wiring for the Combined Sidelights at the Bow?
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/FAQ/#Q4
jimh posted 11-27-2008 09:39 PM ET (US)
Details of the mounting of the combined sidelight and chock fixture were given in a prior discussion:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/009417.html
There are links to photographs showing details.
Vic633 posted 11-28-2008 08:33 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the help and sorry to be a pain. I'm still fumbling my way around the site a little as this is my first week using it. I did read the FAQ which was not the question I was asking however when I searched the forum I did not come up with that secound link you provided, Its priceless, thanks.
jimh posted 11-28-2008 09:30 AM ET (US)
I must have misunderstood your question. When you wrote:
"How do I route the wire for [the combined sidelights at the bow]?"
I thought for sure you were asking for advice on how to run or route the wires to the combined sidelights at the bow, which is explained in the FAQ.
Vic633 posted 11-28-2008 12:20 PM ET (US)
You are correct jimh,,, you did misunderstand my question, as I stated "I have a wire leading to the bow along the rub rail" the question is, once it's there how do I route it to the light. But the pictures provided by ratherwhalering were great.
Jimh, I really appreciate your retentiveness.
Tom W Clark posted 11-28-2008 12:40 PM ET (US)
Victoria,
Don't mind Jim, his reading comprehension is a bit weak ;-)
If you hull has never had a bow light mounted on it, you need to drill two holes to route the wire.
Drill a 1/2" diameter hull from the center of where the bow light will sit to a depth equal to the center of the rub rail.
You then drill a 1/4" hole laterally from the center of the receiver track to the bottom of the 1/2" hole. That is all there is too it.
In reality, I am sure that hull had those holes at some point; even hulls sold without navigation lights had the holes drill and usually a plastic plug installed.
Your hull has been painted though with close investigation you may be able to find the patch where the old holes were.
jimh posted 11-28-2008 12:54 PM ET (US)
My reading comprehension is not too bad, as I read the FAQ information which says:
"Carefully drilled holes led the wires from the rub rail track back into the hull to the base of the lamp fixture at the bow..."
If someone has a diagram that better illustrates that process, perhaps they would be kind enough to share it.
Vic633 posted 11-28-2008 01:07 PM ET (US)
Thanks for your help TOM.. I figured this was the only way it could be done cleanly but I'm always worried about drilling more holes in my hull. I know if I do it properly I won't have to worry about water intrusion or other issues but my first reaction is to drill as few holes as I can.
ps jimh just sounds grumpy to me, i hope his day gets better, although his help is very much appreciated.

Tom W Clark posted 11-28-2008 03:48 PM ET (US)
Victoria,
Jim is not grumpy. He is a bright guy with high standards. I like that. I do, however, enjoy teasing him now and then. I must remind you that this is his website and he can run it as he chooses.
Be careful with your new bow light. If it is one of the reproduction ones from Ebay, it may not fit your hull well. There have been several different versions of the bow chock over the years including distinct casting for different hulls. Then there are also the redroductions.
Though the parts all look the same, they are not the same. Early versions were designed to accommodate the one piece glue-on rub rail and later the casting was modified to fit the three piece Barbour rub rail.
I think the casting for the 13 footers was smaller than for the 17 footers too.
At any rate, you may find that to fit your bow chock it is necessary to trim the receiver track back, cutting off the flanges that hold the insert. The insert will then lay flat against it being compressed by the lip of the chock. This will allow the whole casting to move aft enough for the mounting bolts to be drilled though in the right place.
jimh posted 11-28-2008 04:14 PM ET (US)
Vic633--I don't think there is an issue with water intrusion into the interior structure of a hull of a Boston Whaler boat. As far as I can tell, everyone stands against water intrusion, and no one is in favor of it. Without opposing points of view and disagreements, there cannot be an issue on water intrusion. Water intrusion can be a problem in older Boston Whaler boats, but it is not much of an issue, at least I've never heard of anyone in favor of it.
If someone who has an older 13-footer has the time to take a series of photographs that show how the wires run from the rub rail to the lamp at the bow of the older 13-footers, and, if they email them to me, I will be pleased to host them and link to them from the FAQ. They way information gets collected is by people contributing it. Vic633's confusion indicates perhaps the FAQ was not sufficiently clear on this topic, so I have added additional material to it. Perhaps when Vic633 installs the wiring those pictures can be taken and sent, and in that way Vic633 will be able to participate in the providing of some information to others.
As for having "retentiveness" I am really glad this was mentioned because retention of content is one of the great features here. The website has been on-line since 1994 providing good information content, and just about all of it is still available, still at the same uniform resource indicator location, and still extraordinarily well-indexed by our own search engine as well as global search engines like GOOGLE. Retention of information content here on CONTINUOUSWAVE is probably its best feature.
Vic633 posted 11-28-2008 08:03 PM ET (US)
I love this site, it is full of great information and knowledgeable people. I would donate to the costs that must be associated with keeping and maintaining such a page if I could. As for providing information or pictures of my own, I get the feeling my "experience" would do little to add value to the site and might in fact dumb it down. Maybe after having my whaler for more than 6 months i might be in a position to contribute, in the mean time I'm just here riding coat tails.
Hope that's ok.
Victoria.
pglein posted 12-03-2008 09:35 AM ET (US)
Good god, jimh. Eat some prunes, will ya.

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Author	Topic: Older 13-Footer: Combined Sidelights at Bow
Vic633	posted 11-27-2008 10:45 AM ET (US) I recently purchased [a combined sidelight and chock fitting] for my 1975 13 sport and wondered a couple of things. Does the lip on the front go over the rub rail? How do I route the wire for this setup? I have a wire leading to the bow along the rub rail, but do [I] need to drill and fish a wire? Or can [the wiring] run outside of the deck? Take a look at the first couple of images and tell me what you think. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32806722@N04/ Thanks Victoria
jimh	posted 11-27-2008 08:42 PM ET (US) Questions about how to wire the combined sidelights at the bow are frequently asked and that is why there is an answer in the section FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS. See Q4: How Do I Repair the Wiring for the Combined Sidelights at the Bow? http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/FAQ/#Q4
jimh	posted 11-27-2008 09:39 PM ET (US) Details of the mounting of the combined sidelight and chock fixture were given in a prior discussion: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/009417.html There are links to photographs showing details.
Vic633	posted 11-28-2008 08:33 AM ET (US) Thanks for the help and sorry to be a pain. I'm still fumbling my way around the site a little as this is my first week using it. I did read the FAQ which was not the question I was asking however when I searched the forum I did not come up with that secound link you provided, Its priceless, thanks.
jimh	posted 11-28-2008 09:30 AM ET (US) I must have misunderstood your question. When you wrote: "How do I route the wire for [the combined sidelights at the bow]?" I thought for sure you were asking for advice on how to run or route the wires to the combined sidelights at the bow, which is explained in the FAQ.
Vic633	posted 11-28-2008 12:20 PM ET (US) You are correct jimh,,, you did misunderstand my question, as I stated "I have a wire leading to the bow along the rub rail" the question is, once it's there how do I route it to the light. But the pictures provided by ratherwhalering were great. Jimh, I really appreciate your retentiveness.
Tom W Clark	posted 11-28-2008 12:40 PM ET (US) Victoria, Don't mind Jim, his reading comprehension is a bit weak ;-) If you hull has never had a bow light mounted on it, you need to drill two holes to route the wire. Drill a 1/2" diameter hull from the center of where the bow light will sit to a depth equal to the center of the rub rail. You then drill a 1/4" hole laterally from the center of the receiver track to the bottom of the 1/2" hole. That is all there is too it. In reality, I am sure that hull had those holes at some point; even hulls sold without navigation lights had the holes drill and usually a plastic plug installed. Your hull has been painted though with close investigation you may be able to find the patch where the old holes were.
jimh	posted 11-28-2008 12:54 PM ET (US) My reading comprehension is not too bad, as I read the FAQ information which says: "Carefully drilled holes led the wires from the rub rail track back into the hull to the base of the lamp fixture at the bow..." If someone has a diagram that better illustrates that process, perhaps they would be kind enough to share it.
Vic633	posted 11-28-2008 01:07 PM ET (US) Thanks for your help TOM.. I figured this was the only way it could be done cleanly but I'm always worried about drilling more holes in my hull. I know if I do it properly I won't have to worry about water intrusion or other issues but my first reaction is to drill as few holes as I can. ps jimh just sounds grumpy to me, i hope his day gets better, although his help is very much appreciated.
Tom W Clark	posted 11-28-2008 03:48 PM ET (US) Victoria, Jim is not grumpy. He is a bright guy with high standards. I like that. I do, however, enjoy teasing him now and then. I must remind you that this is his website and he can run it as he chooses. Be careful with your new bow light. If it is one of the reproduction ones from Ebay, it may not fit your hull well. There have been several different versions of the bow chock over the years including distinct casting for different hulls. Then there are also the redroductions. Though the parts all look the same, they are not the same. Early versions were designed to accommodate the one piece glue-on rub rail and later the casting was modified to fit the three piece Barbour rub rail. I think the casting for the 13 footers was smaller than for the 17 footers too. At any rate, you may find that to fit your bow chock it is necessary to trim the receiver track back, cutting off the flanges that hold the insert. The insert will then lay flat against it being compressed by the lip of the chock. This will allow the whole casting to move aft enough for the mounting bolts to be drilled though in the right place.
jimh	posted 11-28-2008 04:14 PM ET (US) Vic633--I don't think there is an issue with water intrusion into the interior structure of a hull of a Boston Whaler boat. As far as I can tell, everyone stands against water intrusion, and no one is in favor of it. Without opposing points of view and disagreements, there cannot be an issue on water intrusion. Water intrusion can be a problem in older Boston Whaler boats, but it is not much of an issue, at least I've never heard of anyone in favor of it. If someone who has an older 13-footer has the time to take a series of photographs that show how the wires run from the rub rail to the lamp at the bow of the older 13-footers, and, if they email them to me, I will be pleased to host them and link to them from the FAQ. They way information gets collected is by people contributing it. Vic633's confusion indicates perhaps the FAQ was not sufficiently clear on this topic, so I have added additional material to it. Perhaps when Vic633 installs the wiring those pictures can be taken and sent, and in that way Vic633 will be able to participate in the providing of some information to others. As for having "retentiveness" I am really glad this was mentioned because retention of content is one of the great features here. The website has been on-line since 1994 providing good information content, and just about all of it is still available, still at the same uniform resource indicator location, and still extraordinarily well-indexed by our own search engine as well as global search engines like GOOGLE. Retention of information content here on CONTINUOUSWAVE is probably its best feature.
Vic633	posted 11-28-2008 08:03 PM ET (US) I love this site, it is full of great information and knowledgeable people. I would donate to the costs that must be associated with keeping and maintaining such a page if I could. As for providing information or pictures of my own, I get the feeling my "experience" would do little to add value to the site and might in fact dumb it down. Maybe after having my whaler for more than 6 months i might be in a position to contribute, in the mean time I'm just here riding coat tails. Hope that's ok. Victoria.
pglein	posted 12-03-2008 09:35 AM ET (US) Good god, jimh. Eat some prunes, will ya.