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FISHNFF posted 06-13-2010 02:13 AM ET (US)
Has anyone successfully installed a piano hinge on their bow locker of an Outrage?
It is very cumbersome keeping the bow locker open to retrieve things, or just to deploy the anchor, on my 18 Outrage.
The little bungee is long gone, and seemed like a poor solution. A bungee works on my little 13, but that's about it!
I was thinking about installing a piano hinge on the port side, but wanted to have it recessed in such a way as it being mostly unseen. The problem I see is alignment.
FISHNFF
Tom W Clark posted 06-13-2010 11:47 AM ET (US)
Do not use a piano (strip) hinge. It will require dozens of holes and collect dirt and resist draining.
Use two short side hinges, either stainless steel or chrome plated bronze. Thsi si what Whaler installed on the Outrage 18 in later years.
elaelap posted 06-13-2010 01:14 PM ET (US)
From a similar discussion June 1, 2008:
"My 1988 Outrage 18 bow anchor locker cover was hingeless and unattached in any other way when I bought the boat as its third owner. I can't understand why the prior owners hadn't taken care of this problem, since the boat had been used in the ocean in Southern California. Tom Clark walked me through the simple installation of starboard-side bolted-through hinges, and I decided to use fairly long strips of Velcro to hold the hatch cover down, which worked very well for me.
I've never understood why a boat so well-designed as the classic OR 18 lacked some sort of fastening for that locker cover. In a hurry to anchor on a breezy day, alone on board, and that unhinged cover could become a real hazard and/or could easily lost overboard. But it was a very easy fix.
Tony
Now don't get me started about the lack of midships springline cleats on the classic Whalers..."
FISHNFF posted 06-13-2010 07:27 PM ET (US)
Thanks. I wanted to keep the deck clear and flat. Guess that's not possible. 2 SS hinges it is.
Thanks.
FISHNFF
FISHNFF posted 06-13-2010 09:55 PM ET (US)
OK There are a bazillion hinges out there.
I'd like to go SS or chrome plated brass or bronze.
What style was OEN in later years?
Were they recessed?
Thanks,
FISHNFF
Tom W Clark posted 06-14-2010 12:24 AM ET (US)
I recommend you use a pair of Perko #987 Shortside hinges.
number9 posted 06-14-2010 01:33 AM ET (US)
This is the Perko PN, 0987DP1CHR.
annapoliswhaler posted 06-14-2010 11:56 AM ET (US)
I replaced the bench seat on my Nauset years ago with a RPS, and used a brass piano-type hinge on it. (I didn't have the benefit of CW back then!) If I had to do it again I would have used something different (as has been suggested here). but I have not had any problems with the set up I have....
megawhaler posted 06-24-2010 10:54 PM ET (US)
I know this is not an 18 hatch, but thought it could give you some ideas. This is on my 15. I've been wanting to do this for years...I'm very happy with the way it turned out, especially that notch for the anchor line!!!
To re-enforce the screw holes for the hinges, I epoxied them, then re-tapped the holes and coated the screws with 42 or 5200. Thats a cheap snap spring holding it open, which they make larger ones for the extra weight of the 18 hatch.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d84/megawhaler/15whaler005.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d84/megawhaler/15whaler018.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d84/megawhaler/15whaler021-1.jpg

Russ 13 posted 06-25-2010 10:53 AM ET (US)
What a great idea on the line notch.....
Why has something so simple eluded me for so long??
Nice Starboard hatch & hinge set up!!
Russ
stefan posted 06-28-2010 02:07 PM ET (US)
I've thought about this too. Only issue with my '82 18 is the Bimini top folds down forward inside the bow rail.
So if I needed access to the locker, if hinged, and Bimini not up, I wouldn't be able to.

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Author	Topic: Piano hinge for bow locker
FISHNFF	posted 06-13-2010 02:13 AM ET (US) Has anyone successfully installed a piano hinge on their bow locker of an Outrage? It is very cumbersome keeping the bow locker open to retrieve things, or just to deploy the anchor, on my 18 Outrage. The little bungee is long gone, and seemed like a poor solution. A bungee works on my little 13, but that's about it! I was thinking about installing a piano hinge on the port side, but wanted to have it recessed in such a way as it being mostly unseen. The problem I see is alignment. FISHNFF
Tom W Clark	posted 06-13-2010 11:47 AM ET (US) Do not use a piano (strip) hinge. It will require dozens of holes and collect dirt and resist draining. Use two short side hinges, either stainless steel or chrome plated bronze. Thsi si what Whaler installed on the Outrage 18 in later years.
elaelap	posted 06-13-2010 01:14 PM ET (US) From a similar discussion June 1, 2008: "My 1988 Outrage 18 bow anchor locker cover was hingeless and unattached in any other way when I bought the boat as its third owner. I can't understand why the prior owners hadn't taken care of this problem, since the boat had been used in the ocean in Southern California. Tom Clark walked me through the simple installation of starboard-side bolted-through hinges, and I decided to use fairly long strips of Velcro to hold the hatch cover down, which worked very well for me. I've never understood why a boat so well-designed as the classic OR 18 lacked some sort of fastening for that locker cover. In a hurry to anchor on a breezy day, alone on board, and that unhinged cover could become a real hazard and/or could easily lost overboard. But it was a very easy fix. Tony Now don't get me started about the lack of midships springline cleats on the classic Whalers..."
FISHNFF	posted 06-13-2010 07:27 PM ET (US) Thanks. I wanted to keep the deck clear and flat. Guess that's not possible. 2 SS hinges it is. Thanks. FISHNFF
FISHNFF	posted 06-13-2010 09:55 PM ET (US) OK There are a bazillion hinges out there. I'd like to go SS or chrome plated brass or bronze. What style was OEN in later years? Were they recessed? Thanks, FISHNFF
Tom W Clark	posted 06-14-2010 12:24 AM ET (US) I recommend you use a pair of Perko #987 Shortside hinges.
number9	posted 06-14-2010 01:33 AM ET (US) This is the Perko PN, 0987DP1CHR.
annapoliswhaler	posted 06-14-2010 11:56 AM ET (US) I replaced the bench seat on my Nauset years ago with a RPS, and used a brass piano-type hinge on it. (I didn't have the benefit of CW back then!) If I had to do it again I would have used something different (as has been suggested here). but I have not had any problems with the set up I have....
megawhaler	posted 06-24-2010 10:54 PM ET (US) I know this is not an 18 hatch, but thought it could give you some ideas. This is on my 15. I've been wanting to do this for years...I'm very happy with the way it turned out, especially that notch for the anchor line!!! To re-enforce the screw holes for the hinges, I epoxied them, then re-tapped the holes and coated the screws with 42 or 5200. Thats a cheap snap spring holding it open, which they make larger ones for the extra weight of the 18 hatch. http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d84/megawhaler/15whaler005.jpg http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d84/megawhaler/15whaler018.jpg http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d84/megawhaler/15whaler021-1.jpg
Russ 13	posted 06-25-2010 10:53 AM ET (US) What a great idea on the line notch..... Why has something so simple eluded me for so long?? Nice Starboard hatch & hinge set up!! Russ
stefan	posted 06-28-2010 02:07 PM ET (US) I've thought about this too. Only issue with my '82 18 is the Bimini top folds down forward inside the bow rail. So if I needed access to the locker, if hinged, and Bimini not up, I wouldn't be able to.