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bill705 posted 03-25-2011 06:03 PM ET (US)
It looks like R L Hudson is going to market a new type /primer bulb. Bill
jimh posted 03-25-2011 08:49 PM ET (US)
I don't understand the manufacturer's statement:
"Beginning January 1, 2011, all marine primer bulbs must meet stringent new environmental standards."
It is marked with an asterisk that cites a California regulation. I don't think regulations in California apply to the other 49 states. Perhaps this product is only useful in California.
contender posted 03-25-2011 09:17 PM ET (US)
I agree with Jim: This product/statement is confusing. How does one primer bulb put off less emissions than the other type of bulb? unless it leaks... I would think it depends on the clamps used on the ends of the bulb...
modenacart posted 03-25-2011 09:52 PM ET (US)
Maybe the changed the porosity of the material the bulb is made out of or they changed to a more environmentally friendly material.
modenacart posted 03-25-2011 09:54 PM ET (US)
Sounds like they changed to a material that has a lower porosity.
seahorse posted 03-25-2011 11:50 PM ET (US)
The EPA added a number of new rules for 2011 concerning fuel permeation and vapor release for fuel lines, primers, fuel tank venting at all corners, charcoal cannisters or pressure valves on built in tanks, etc.
These various regulations go into effect on 1-1-11, 7-1-11, or according to stock on hand. Prices for compliance of these rules will cost everybody.
The special low-permeation fuel lines on your outboard are said to be 4 to 6 fold over what traditional lines were.
New tank venting plumbing plus the addition of vapor cannisters or a pressure valve on the tank vent will add to boat construction costs, plus more maintenance costs.
deepwater posted 03-26-2011 09:49 AM ET (US)
It states 70% less permeation Maybe all the E10 and higher is going through the bulbs and hoses It could be a hazard in enclosed storage areas
MarthaB posted 03-26-2011 11:16 AM ET (US)
Al Gore invented the new primer bulb.
JMARTIN posted 03-26-2011 11:27 AM ET (US)
Deepwater, that makes perfect sense. A number of the very expensive pollution devices we are required to have at fueling stations cause more harm than good.
The DOE or EPA gets sold a bill of goods of what wonders this new device will do for the environment. They require us to install it. A couple of years later problems develop.
Stage 2 vapor recovery systems for an example.
They probably did not test E-10 very well on primer bulbs and now they have problems.
John
seahorse posted 03-26-2011 02:06 PM ET (US)

quote:

Maybe all the E10 and higher is going through the bulbs and hoses,,It could be a hazard in enclosed storage areas

You ought to see what kind of permeation rate compared to the new hoses that an approved plastic gas tank has and it is permanently located an enclosed area of a boat.
rong posted 03-26-2011 05:39 PM ET (US)
Yamaha's primer bulb assembly went from $60.00 to $147.00.
WOW
deepwater posted 03-26-2011 07:52 PM ET (US)
Awhile back I posted that I replaced all my fuel lines with SS tubing I only need about 3' total length to run my motor
number9 posted 03-27-2011 03:02 AM ET (US)

quote:
Yamaha's primer bulb assembly went from $60.00 to $147.00.

Is this due to earthquake supply shortages?
Couple of things to keep in mind when purchasing replacements. New emissions/permeability standards are post ethanol fuel compatible fuel lines. If the line or primer is good to handle ethanol blended fuel no benefit to upgrading. A slight decrease in "gaseous hydrocarbon" permeability of a primer bulb is unlikely to make it more efficient in primary purpose of moving liquid.

rong posted 03-27-2011 07:28 AM ET (US)
Number9,
The primer bulb assembly I'm talking about includes the hose and connecting ends.
wezie posted 03-27-2011 11:33 AM ET (US)
Just more Kool-Aid from the bureau rats.
Chuck Tribolet posted 03-27-2011 10:45 PM ET (US)
For those of you who think this is all some bureaucrat plot,
we in California have led the way. We have a lot less smog now
(I can't remember the last brown cloud 1/4 mile vis day),
and the cars get a lot better gas mileage (my 2400 pound,
144 cu inch 1972 240Z got 20 MPG on a REALLY good day on the
freeway. My 3200 pound, 350 cu. inch, routinely gets 26 MPG
on the freeway. Good days are 29 MPG.)
If it's a conspiracy, it's working. ;-)

Chuck
Chuck Tribolet posted 03-27-2011 10:48 PM ET (US)
OOPS. Too busy digging up specs. The second car
referenced is a 1987 Corvette.

Chuck

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Author	Topic: Primer Bulb By R L Hudson
bill705	posted 03-25-2011 06:03 PM ET (US) It looks like R L Hudson is going to market a new type /primer bulb. Bill
jimh	posted 03-25-2011 08:49 PM ET (US) I don't understand the manufacturer's statement: "Beginning January 1, 2011, all marine primer bulbs must meet stringent new environmental standards." It is marked with an asterisk that cites a California regulation. I don't think regulations in California apply to the other 49 states. Perhaps this product is only useful in California.
contender	posted 03-25-2011 09:17 PM ET (US) I agree with Jim: This product/statement is confusing. How does one primer bulb put off less emissions than the other type of bulb? unless it leaks... I would think it depends on the clamps used on the ends of the bulb...
modenacart	posted 03-25-2011 09:52 PM ET (US) Maybe the changed the porosity of the material the bulb is made out of or they changed to a more environmentally friendly material.
modenacart	posted 03-25-2011 09:54 PM ET (US) Sounds like they changed to a material that has a lower porosity.
seahorse	posted 03-25-2011 11:50 PM ET (US) The EPA added a number of new rules for 2011 concerning fuel permeation and vapor release for fuel lines, primers, fuel tank venting at all corners, charcoal cannisters or pressure valves on built in tanks, etc. These various regulations go into effect on 1-1-11, 7-1-11, or according to stock on hand. Prices for compliance of these rules will cost everybody. The special low-permeation fuel lines on your outboard are said to be 4 to 6 fold over what traditional lines were. New tank venting plumbing plus the addition of vapor cannisters or a pressure valve on the tank vent will add to boat construction costs, plus more maintenance costs.
deepwater	posted 03-26-2011 09:49 AM ET (US) It states 70% less permeation Maybe all the E10 and higher is going through the bulbs and hoses It could be a hazard in enclosed storage areas
MarthaB	posted 03-26-2011 11:16 AM ET (US) Al Gore invented the new primer bulb.
JMARTIN	posted 03-26-2011 11:27 AM ET (US) Deepwater, that makes perfect sense. A number of the very expensive pollution devices we are required to have at fueling stations cause more harm than good. The DOE or EPA gets sold a bill of goods of what wonders this new device will do for the environment. They require us to install it. A couple of years later problems develop. Stage 2 vapor recovery systems for an example. They probably did not test E-10 very well on primer bulbs and now they have problems. John
seahorse	posted 03-26-2011 02:06 PM ET (US) quote: Maybe all the E10 and higher is going through the bulbs and hoses,,It could be a hazard in enclosed storage areas You ought to see what kind of permeation rate compared to the new hoses that an approved plastic gas tank has and it is permanently located an enclosed area of a boat.
rong	posted 03-26-2011 05:39 PM ET (US) Yamaha's primer bulb assembly went from $60.00 to $147.00. WOW
deepwater	posted 03-26-2011 07:52 PM ET (US) Awhile back I posted that I replaced all my fuel lines with SS tubing I only need about 3' total length to run my motor
number9	posted 03-27-2011 03:02 AM ET (US) quote: Yamaha's primer bulb assembly went from $60.00 to $147.00. Is this due to earthquake supply shortages? Couple of things to keep in mind when purchasing replacements. New emissions/permeability standards are post ethanol fuel compatible fuel lines. If the line or primer is good to handle ethanol blended fuel no benefit to upgrading. A slight decrease in "gaseous hydrocarbon" permeability of a primer bulb is unlikely to make it more efficient in primary purpose of moving liquid.
rong	posted 03-27-2011 07:28 AM ET (US) Number9, The primer bulb assembly I'm talking about includes the hose and connecting ends.
wezie	posted 03-27-2011 11:33 AM ET (US) Just more Kool-Aid from the bureau rats.
Chuck Tribolet	posted 03-27-2011 10:45 PM ET (US) For those of you who think this is all some bureaucrat plot, we in California have led the way. We have a lot less smog now (I can't remember the last brown cloud 1/4 mile vis day), and the cars get a lot better gas mileage (my 2400 pound, 144 cu inch 1972 240Z got 20 MPG on a REALLY good day on the freeway. My 3200 pound, 350 cu. inch, routinely gets 26 MPG on the freeway. Good days are 29 MPG.) If it's a conspiracy, it's working. ;-) Chuck
Chuck Tribolet	posted 03-27-2011 10:48 PM ET (US) OOPS. Too busy digging up specs. The second car referenced is a 1987 Corvette. Chuck