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dremsen posted 04-10-2013 09:18 AM ET (US)
Hello everyone. This is my first post to this forum and I'm happy to have found a group with a focus on the classic whalers. I run a department with several whalers all of which serve as work boats in support of research here in Woods Hole. We have two Outrages and one Montauk. The Outrage I am posting about here is Hull 001, the first 21 foot Outrage, which has been serving us as far back as I can remember. I dove off this boat when I was an undergrad summer diver here in the early 80s and I feel quite privileged to be in charge of her now. This boat is still used daily and with the low ribbed sides, is still the best dive boat we have.
For some time now i've thought that this old classic has earned a break and deserves a little pampering. Like me, she has moved on from our undergraduate days and has gained a few wrinkles, callouses and stories. The current financial climate here at the lab, however, is not conducive to spending on what the unappreciative might simply think of as "cosmetics." Particularly when we have another, younger Outrage bucking in the stalls at our boat shop just waiting to test his mettle. He may have youth, and filled out ribs, but he hasn't proven himself like she has. She has learned the hard way how to pick her way through the Southwest Gutter in Hadley's Harbor and into the pool where that Great White was trapped on Naushon back in 2005 and has the scratches to prove it. The sea clams we collected off Menemsha back in the day have resulted in not one but two Nobel prizes.
I'm posting for two reasons.
1. Do you suppose Boston Whaler, Inc. but be interested to know this boat is still active and serving a (relatively) noble cause? I wondered if they might find sponsoring a cleanup and makeover worthy of some outreach and visibility. On the other hand, I've also wondered if the brand hasn't left these classic models behind where it's old news to them.
Any opinions and/or leads on who one might contact?
2. If we were going to work on her ourselves, I would like to be assured that we do things 'properly.' My guys here are boat guys but they are of the pragmatic and self-reliant generation of dragger men where respect is measured in scars, creases and the roughness of ones hands.
Would anyone in the Cape area might have the know-how and willingness to give her a look-over and some useful directions as to what we might prioritize and do and, as importantly, what we should not do to for short-term gain but woeful violation of her pedigree? We couldn't pay in dollars but I would be happy to take that person on a ride aboard her for a tour of the Woods Hole waters as well as a continued tour of our marine resources facility where we keep many local species used in science and education. It's a lot of interesting history and stories.
We love this boat and want to see her in action and beautiful for years to come. But she does gets her hands pretty dirty and deserves a little dressing up to be shown off for the classic she is.
with regards,
David Remsen
-----------------------------------------------------------
David Remsen
Manager, Marine Resources Department
Marine Biological Laboratory
Woods Hole, MA 02543
508-274-4055
Skype: dremsen
Jeff posted 04-10-2013 10:04 AM ET (US)
David,
Good to see you posting here. You have a very unique boat there and one I know a few people would be willing to pay a lot to own. That said it is great that you guys are still out there using it. In fact, my good friend's son spent all last summer with you guys there at the institute and was on that boat everyday last summer. His name is Justin Waraniak.
As for the boat, I would say Whaler would be VERY interested to know where that boat is and that you are using it on a daily basis. I personally think it would be a cool story for them to refit the boat for the institute through their commercial products division. It could make for a great boat for you and a great story for them.
Here are images of the the first Ribside Outrage Hull #001.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dremsen/sets/72157631734784185/
- Jeff Rohlfing
Jeff posted 04-10-2013 10:08 AM ET (US)
Here is a photo of the stencil #001
https://sites.google.com/site/rohlfingsuploads/home/ Screen%20shot%202013-04-10%20at%2010.06.09%20AM.png
-Jeff Rohlfing
Jeff posted 04-10-2013 10:14 AM ET (US)
David-- Here is a link to the factory restoration program. Like I said these refurbs are typically done at, and by the Brunswick Commercial Products Group and know Boston Whaler themselves. I know someone who has had a couple boats done there. Below is the link to a short description of the program with a contact. They handle both the commercial restorations as well as private jobs.
http://brunswickcgp.com/advantages/#!/factory-programs
-Jeff Rohlfing
dremsen posted 04-10-2013 11:57 AM ET (US)
Jeff,
Thank you for the link. I think the photos I took earlier are pretty bad and I am going to try to get some nicer ones. Our boathouse is supposed to keep the boat clean and out of the elements but in the summer it houses a community of barn swallows. We are celebrating the 125th anniversary of the lab this summer and I want to have the boat as decked out and dressed up as we can by then.
p.s. - I tried to send you a link to some whaler posts on Craigslist
p.p.s. - I drove two hours to look at a 25' Revenge last night. Where is best to post questions I might have about it?
many thanks,
Dave Remsen
Marine Resources Department, Marine Biological Laboratory
Woods Hole, MA 02543
dremsen@mbl.edu
jay18 posted 04-10-2013 01:20 PM ET (US)
Very cool. I came across Hull #001 V-22 Outrage here in Wisconsin a few years back. It is still here, and in great shape..
dremsen posted 04-10-2013 01:47 PM ET (US)
Might be kinda useful and interesting to develop a register of the classic models. A friend of mine has a Friendship sloop and they have one.
L H G posted 04-10-2013 02:23 PM ET (US)
I would suggest you contact, and speak directly to Chuck Bennett at Boston Whaler's Customer Service department. He is one of the last remaining people at the company familiar with the old boats. I would guess that there is a good chance that #001 was used in some of Whaler's catalog photos when the hull was introduced as a 1971 modle year boat.
My guess is that the Company may very well be interested in doing a story about the first hull in the original Outrage line, and the fact that it is still in service. As to whether they would put money into a workboat I would nave no idea. It would depend on what the advertizing/marketing dept considers valuable.
Be sure to check out hull #007 in Cetacea page 36 on this site. I own all original hull #132.
As for repair advice, you might be able to interest Metan Marine up in Boston. The have competely restored a couple of these hulls to almost original configuration, and are selling them for $100,000. He might be willing to help you out in some manner, but it's just a guess on my part.
ABout the only fix-up advice I could offer from seeing the photos is to eliminate the large bolts throught the topside hull, and find an original console, either the original large teak console or the smaller "lectern style" Outrage III console. The small one was specifically for the workboat models of the hull.
One of the contributors here, Tom Clark, I believe has a family member who has one of the Outrage III models beautifully restored, an is in the greater Boston area.
That boat could be nice prototype for what you could achieve with #001.
tyno22 posted 04-11-2013 10:44 PM ET (US)
I have hull #0001 in the 19' outrage and is an ongoing restoration process. Bought it back in 2009 and still have not had it in the water yet. Am getting frustrated its taking so long, but we've had some other stuff going on that has taken much of our time. Interesting to hear you have 0001 in the 21' outrage.
Tom W Clark posted 04-15-2013 11:54 AM ET (US)
First of all, I suggest you contact Chuck Bennett at Whaler to find out what history he has on this boat. That would be very interesting for us to hear about.
Hull # 003 is alive ad well and out here near Seattle. I wonder here #002 is?
As Larry mentions, my brother in law, Tom Olsen, and his two brothers own a very nice Outrage III which you will find in Sesuit Harbor in-season. Tom is the owner of Olsen Marine in Dennis and is a master shipwright. If you need repair advice, I suggest you contact him:
http://www.olsencapecod.com/cncaboutus.html
http://home.comcast.net/~tomwclark/Outrage21_QuivettCreek.jpg
egres posted 04-21-2013 07:44 PM ET (US)
[I have hull #0001 in the 19' outrage and is an ongoing restoration process. Bought it back in 2009 and still have not had it in the water yet. Am getting frustrated its taking so long, but we've had some other stuff going on that has taken much of our time. Interesting to hear you have 0001 in the 21' outrage. ]
Amen to that Tyno..
I do know precisely on how you feel.My refit has taken also a wee while to look the way it does now.
I will be keen to see of your end results.
Do not loose faith.
PS- I am the proud owner (of vice versa) of the Classic Outrage 19 My Girl.

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dremsen	posted 04-10-2013 09:18 AM ET (US) Hello everyone. This is my first post to this forum and I'm happy to have found a group with a focus on the classic whalers. I run a department with several whalers all of which serve as work boats in support of research here in Woods Hole. We have two Outrages and one Montauk. The Outrage I am posting about here is Hull 001, the first 21 foot Outrage, which has been serving us as far back as I can remember. I dove off this boat when I was an undergrad summer diver here in the early 80s and I feel quite privileged to be in charge of her now. This boat is still used daily and with the low ribbed sides, is still the best dive boat we have. For some time now i've thought that this old classic has earned a break and deserves a little pampering. Like me, she has moved on from our undergraduate days and has gained a few wrinkles, callouses and stories. The current financial climate here at the lab, however, is not conducive to spending on what the unappreciative might simply think of as "cosmetics." Particularly when we have another, younger Outrage bucking in the stalls at our boat shop just waiting to test his mettle. He may have youth, and filled out ribs, but he hasn't proven himself like she has. She has learned the hard way how to pick her way through the Southwest Gutter in Hadley's Harbor and into the pool where that Great White was trapped on Naushon back in 2005 and has the scratches to prove it. The sea clams we collected off Menemsha back in the day have resulted in not one but two Nobel prizes. I'm posting for two reasons. 1. Do you suppose Boston Whaler, Inc. but be interested to know this boat is still active and serving a (relatively) noble cause? I wondered if they might find sponsoring a cleanup and makeover worthy of some outreach and visibility. On the other hand, I've also wondered if the brand hasn't left these classic models behind where it's old news to them. Any opinions and/or leads on who one might contact? 2. If we were going to work on her ourselves, I would like to be assured that we do things 'properly.' My guys here are boat guys but they are of the pragmatic and self-reliant generation of dragger men where respect is measured in scars, creases and the roughness of ones hands. Would anyone in the Cape area might have the know-how and willingness to give her a look-over and some useful directions as to what we might prioritize and do and, as importantly, what we should not do to for short-term gain but woeful violation of her pedigree? We couldn't pay in dollars but I would be happy to take that person on a ride aboard her for a tour of the Woods Hole waters as well as a continued tour of our marine resources facility where we keep many local species used in science and education. It's a lot of interesting history and stories. We love this boat and want to see her in action and beautiful for years to come. But she does gets her hands pretty dirty and deserves a little dressing up to be shown off for the classic she is. with regards, David Remsen ----------------------------------------------------------- David Remsen Manager, Marine Resources Department Marine Biological Laboratory Woods Hole, MA 02543 508-274-4055 Skype: dremsen
Jeff	posted 04-10-2013 10:04 AM ET (US) David, Good to see you posting here. You have a very unique boat there and one I know a few people would be willing to pay a lot to own. That said it is great that you guys are still out there using it. In fact, my good friend's son spent all last summer with you guys there at the institute and was on that boat everyday last summer. His name is Justin Waraniak. As for the boat, I would say Whaler would be VERY interested to know where that boat is and that you are using it on a daily basis. I personally think it would be a cool story for them to refit the boat for the institute through their commercial products division. It could make for a great boat for you and a great story for them. Here are images of the the first Ribside Outrage Hull #001. http://www.flickr.com/photos/dremsen/sets/72157631734784185/ - Jeff Rohlfing
Jeff	posted 04-10-2013 10:08 AM ET (US) Here is a photo of the stencil #001 https://sites.google.com/site/rohlfingsuploads/home/ Screen%20shot%202013-04-10%20at%2010.06.09%20AM.png -Jeff Rohlfing
Jeff	posted 04-10-2013 10:14 AM ET (US) David-- Here is a link to the factory restoration program. Like I said these refurbs are typically done at, and by the Brunswick Commercial Products Group and know Boston Whaler themselves. I know someone who has had a couple boats done there. Below is the link to a short description of the program with a contact. They handle both the commercial restorations as well as private jobs. http://brunswickcgp.com/advantages/#!/factory-programs -Jeff Rohlfing
dremsen	posted 04-10-2013 11:57 AM ET (US) Jeff, Thank you for the link. I think the photos I took earlier are pretty bad and I am going to try to get some nicer ones. Our boathouse is supposed to keep the boat clean and out of the elements but in the summer it houses a community of barn swallows. We are celebrating the 125th anniversary of the lab this summer and I want to have the boat as decked out and dressed up as we can by then. p.s. - I tried to send you a link to some whaler posts on Craigslist p.p.s. - I drove two hours to look at a 25' Revenge last night. Where is best to post questions I might have about it? many thanks, Dave Remsen Marine Resources Department, Marine Biological Laboratory Woods Hole, MA 02543 dremsen@mbl.edu
jay18	posted 04-10-2013 01:20 PM ET (US) Very cool. I came across Hull #001 V-22 Outrage here in Wisconsin a few years back. It is still here, and in great shape..
dremsen	posted 04-10-2013 01:47 PM ET (US) Might be kinda useful and interesting to develop a register of the classic models. A friend of mine has a Friendship sloop and they have one.
L H G	posted 04-10-2013 02:23 PM ET (US) I would suggest you contact, and speak directly to Chuck Bennett at Boston Whaler's Customer Service department. He is one of the last remaining people at the company familiar with the old boats. I would guess that there is a good chance that #001 was used in some of Whaler's catalog photos when the hull was introduced as a 1971 modle year boat. My guess is that the Company may very well be interested in doing a story about the first hull in the original Outrage line, and the fact that it is still in service. As to whether they would put money into a workboat I would nave no idea. It would depend on what the advertizing/marketing dept considers valuable. Be sure to check out hull #007 in Cetacea page 36 on this site. I own all original hull #132. As for repair advice, you might be able to interest Metan Marine up in Boston. The have competely restored a couple of these hulls to almost original configuration, and are selling them for $100,000. He might be willing to help you out in some manner, but it's just a guess on my part. ABout the only fix-up advice I could offer from seeing the photos is to eliminate the large bolts throught the topside hull, and find an original console, either the original large teak console or the smaller "lectern style" Outrage III console. The small one was specifically for the workboat models of the hull. One of the contributors here, Tom Clark, I believe has a family member who has one of the Outrage III models beautifully restored, an is in the greater Boston area. That boat could be nice prototype for what you could achieve with #001.
tyno22	posted 04-11-2013 10:44 PM ET (US) I have hull #0001 in the 19' outrage and is an ongoing restoration process. Bought it back in 2009 and still have not had it in the water yet. Am getting frustrated its taking so long, but we've had some other stuff going on that has taken much of our time. Interesting to hear you have 0001 in the 21' outrage.
Tom W Clark	posted 04-15-2013 11:54 AM ET (US) First of all, I suggest you contact Chuck Bennett at Whaler to find out what history he has on this boat. That would be very interesting for us to hear about. Hull # 003 is alive ad well and out here near Seattle. I wonder here #002 is? As Larry mentions, my brother in law, Tom Olsen, and his two brothers own a very nice Outrage III which you will find in Sesuit Harbor in-season. Tom is the owner of Olsen Marine in Dennis and is a master shipwright. If you need repair advice, I suggest you contact him: http://www.olsencapecod.com/cncaboutus.html http://home.comcast.net/~tomwclark/Outrage21_QuivettCreek.jpg
egres	posted 04-21-2013 07:44 PM ET (US) [I have hull #0001 in the 19' outrage and is an ongoing restoration process. Bought it back in 2009 and still have not had it in the water yet. Am getting frustrated its taking so long, but we've had some other stuff going on that has taken much of our time. Interesting to hear you have 0001 in the 21' outrage. ] Amen to that Tyno.. I do know precisely on how you feel.My refit has taken also a wee while to look the way it does now. I will be keen to see of your end results. Do not loose faith. PS- I am the proud owner (of vice versa) of the Classic Outrage 19 My Girl.