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Smallfrye posted 05-06-2013 11:01 AM ET (US)   Profile for Smallfrye   Send Email to Smallfrye  
Has anyone installed hydo (Sea Star)steering on the old "banana boat" 19 Outrage and can you tell me the hose length you used?
If you could check the hose, the length is normally marked near the hose ends.
thx
Jim
L H G posted 05-06-2013 01:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
I have the original Big-T mechanical on mine, and it uses an 18' cable. I would say that would be your hose length, but if you want to be safe, use 19'. You can always coil up extra length in the console.
Smallfrye posted 05-06-2013 03:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Smallfrye  Send Email to Smallfrye     
LHG, do you have any loop in your cable at the motor? Do you know if the 18' length is end to end or the jacket length (fitting to fitting?)
L H G posted 05-06-2013 07:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
Take a look at the rigging photos in this album, and maybe you can see what you are looking for.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/lgoltz/media/Outrage%2019/R1-18.jpg. html?sort=6&o=68#/user/lgoltz/media/Outrage%2019/R1-18.jpg.html?sort=6& o=68&_suid=1367882620752008532263418897257

As for the original Big-T steering cable, it was white and needed to be replaced due to age deterioration of the exterior. It worked fine, but looked bad. Since it was marked 18', I replaced it with a new 18' cable. I don't know how Teleflex determines that dimension, but it fits perfectly.

The throttle/shift cables are also 18', but I think 19' would have given a little extra to work with. I would recommend 19' cables, but be aware I am using a 6" setback jackplate, and my console is raised 6".

Smallfrye posted 05-06-2013 08:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Smallfrye  Send Email to Smallfrye     
Beautiful finish. How do you feel about the 150HP? I believe its rated to 175, does it need the extra power? The spec says there is a 10" draft, is it any better with the jack plate extention?
L H G posted 05-07-2013 01:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
Thank you. I think 150HP is more than adequate for the hull, and mine is only a small 2.0 liter size. The boat runs 46 MPH. The later 2.5 liter engines, including the Opti 150's, are even more powerful. The 175 HP rating was based on powerhead HP, not the prop HP introduced around 1984 engines. A 175HP Optimax Pro XS (close to 200 HP)would be a screamer on this hull, probably 55 MPH or better.

Reportedly a strong 115 provides 40 MPH.

The hull draws very little water, and I think the jackplate improves ride and handling, and maybe top speed as well.

kmev posted 05-07-2013 07:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for kmev  Send Email to kmev     
I have a Honda 150 on the 21-foot version of this hull, and even when loaded with 6 scuba divers and gear it performs very well.

Depending on the exact model of hydraulic ram you plan to use, remember that the ram may move back and forth in front of the engine, which requires the hoses to move slightly.

Smallfrye posted 05-07-2013 09:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for Smallfrye  Send Email to Smallfrye     
LHG, what process and finish did you use to get the wood finish on this boat? They look like new parts.
L H G posted 05-07-2013 04:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
The wood on mine is all factory original and was in perfect condition. As many here already know, the boat was stored, unused for 32 years, in a construction equipment garage in Kewaunee WI, wheere it was purchased new in 1975. It was sold to me by the original buyer, an insurance client of ours. Other than the old gal who owns the building, I was probably the only person who knew the boat was buried in the back of this building. Finally, at age 84, and after many requests to purchase, the owner finally agreed to sell it to me. He said that if I didn't buy it, he was going to have Twin Cities Marine sell it for him.

After removing all of it, I first cleaned the wood with a one-step mild teak cleaner, to remove diesel exhaust residue from the many years of storage.

Then it was sanded using 3M's Sandblaster paper. Where necessary, countersunk holes for the original oval head screws were filled, pegged and re-drilled for for a pan head/washer replacement (which won't break the varnish film when tightened down).

One coat of ZAR oil based #120 teak stain was wiped on, followed by 12 coats of Z-Spar Flagship varnish.

If needed, I understand that Blackduck Gallery is making the replacement teak plywood doors for this generation of center console (often called a "winged" console).

Smallfrye posted 05-11-2013 10:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Smallfrye  Send Email to Smallfrye     
LHG: where is the original HIN number on you 19 Outrage? I find the hull serial number in the normal place; front bulkhead but see no HIN of any type.
Any help is appriciated.
Jim
L H G posted 05-11-2013 12:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
It is on a metal plate on the outside of the transom. My boat a 1975, manufactured in October 1974, hull #750.

I would think your registration papers would have the HIN number. If only the hull number, than you may have an early model. I'm not sure when HIN's were initiated, but it was in this period. My 1971 Whaler has no HIN, only a hull number. WhalerCentral has cataloged information on this subject.

Smallfrye posted 05-11-2013 04:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Smallfrye  Send Email to Smallfrye     
Thx, is it found anyplace else? Newer hulls have the same plate in the forward compartment.
What is the format of the HIN in your year model? Does it begin as the new modern production BWC?

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