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bud jones posted 06-02-2013 04:02 AM ET (US)
Hi. Take a gander at this classic Outrage 22 with Whaler Drive set-up, re-powered with twin HONDA 115 hp engines. What is interesting is that the Whaler Drive has bottom paint almost to the mini rub-rail, and the bottom paint seems to portray a static trim with a ridiculous amount of squat. The [water line on the] Whaler Drive on my boat is eight inches below this, about an inch below the drain tubes from the splash well. Is a twin HONDA 115 set-up truly this much too heavy for a classic OUTRAGE 22 WHALER DRIVE? Is this bad bottom painting? Is this just a poorly set up boat?
Just curious for insights as I am perpetually shopping for a 22-foot or larger Whaler Drive rig--more fishing friendly than my current 20 Whaler Drive Temptation set-up.
Thanks,
bud
jimh posted 06-02-2013 09:43 AM ET (US)
The location of the transom splash well drains on a Boston Whaler boat are a good indicator of where the designer thought the water line ought to be. If the weight of the outboard engine causes the transom splash well drains to be submerged, the weight of the engine is probably greater than the designer's intent.
On my Boston Whaler boat with Whaler Drive, the transom splash well drains are above the water line. Although I have only a single engine, I have sat on the cowling of the engine while another adult stood on the Whaler Drive so as to add the approximate weight of a second engine, and the transom drains only just reached the water line. This indicates to me that my boat could accommodate a second engine without experiencing an immersion of the Whaler Drive below its intended lines.
In the boat shown, the weight of those two four-stroke-cycle engines must be substantially greater than the intended weight of the Whaler Driver designer because, as indicated by the location of the anti-fouling paint, the Whaler Drive is submerged more than normal.
The Whaler Drive design has very little V or flare to the sides of the Whaler Drive. (Flare is the angle at which a ship's hull departs from the vertical in an outward direction with increasing height.) They are almost straight. This means as the Whaler Drive is pushed deeper in the water it does not create more buoyancy from the increasing volume as fast as it would if there were more flare to the sides. Having some flare produces more reserve buoyancy (the volume of a ship above the water plane). Apparently in the boat shown, the twin engines have required the Whaler Drive to be practically submerged to create enough buoyancy to offset the engine weight.
Buckda posted 06-02-2013 12:14 PM ET (US)
Impossible to tell without floating the boat, but it looks like a lousy bottom paint job to me.
Tom W Clark posted 06-02-2013 12:53 PM ET (US)
That is Alex Gardner's (alkar) old boat, much discussed here on ContinuousWave over the years. It's frightening to think how much money has been spent on that boat.
Yes, there is w a y too much weight in the stern. That boat floats VERY stern low.
Russ 13 posted 06-03-2013 01:11 AM ET (US)
Those 115's EACH weigh about the same as a v-6 two stroke.
I had a 135 Honda & upgraded to a 225 Yamaha & lost weight.
..
I would say that repowering with something lighter & more powerful would be the way to go.
..
That hull works very well with a single 200 to 250 Hp engine.
jimh posted 06-03-2013 08:26 AM ET (US)
The boat would probably perform better with a single HONDA BF250.
stayinstrewn posted 06-03-2013 09:17 PM ET (US)
I have a 2006 Honda 225 on my 1979 V-22...she floats fine -unless there's water in the bilge! New honda 250 looks sweet, though I'm not at all in the market!
Peter posted 06-03-2013 09:44 PM ET (US)
Those Hondas were over 500 lbs each. A V6 2-stroke 150 of similar vintage to the Whaler were about 400 lbs each.
That static trim gives a good indication of how that boat would float with a pair of Verado 150s.
jimh posted 06-03-2013 11:19 PM ET (US)
Maybe that explains why no one has ever re-powered a classic Boston Whaler with twin VERADO outboard engines.
bud jones posted 06-04-2013 02:13 AM ET (US)
Many thanks for the info.

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Author	Topic: Outrage 22 Whaler Drive Static Trim
bud jones	posted 06-02-2013 04:02 AM ET (US) Hi. Take a gander at this classic Outrage 22 with Whaler Drive set-up, re-powered with twin HONDA 115 hp engines. What is interesting is that the Whaler Drive has bottom paint almost to the mini rub-rail, and the bottom paint seems to portray a static trim with a ridiculous amount of squat. The [water line on the] Whaler Drive on my boat is eight inches below this, about an inch below the drain tubes from the splash well. Is a twin HONDA 115 set-up truly this much too heavy for a classic OUTRAGE 22 WHALER DRIVE? Is this bad bottom painting? Is this just a poorly set up boat? Just curious for insights as I am perpetually shopping for a 22-foot or larger Whaler Drive rig--more fishing friendly than my current 20 Whaler Drive Temptation set-up. Thanks, bud
jimh	posted 06-02-2013 09:43 AM ET (US) The location of the transom splash well drains on a Boston Whaler boat are a good indicator of where the designer thought the water line ought to be. If the weight of the outboard engine causes the transom splash well drains to be submerged, the weight of the engine is probably greater than the designer's intent. On my Boston Whaler boat with Whaler Drive, the transom splash well drains are above the water line. Although I have only a single engine, I have sat on the cowling of the engine while another adult stood on the Whaler Drive so as to add the approximate weight of a second engine, and the transom drains only just reached the water line. This indicates to me that my boat could accommodate a second engine without experiencing an immersion of the Whaler Drive below its intended lines. In the boat shown, the weight of those two four-stroke-cycle engines must be substantially greater than the intended weight of the Whaler Driver designer because, as indicated by the location of the anti-fouling paint, the Whaler Drive is submerged more than normal. The Whaler Drive design has very little V or flare to the sides of the Whaler Drive. (Flare is the angle at which a ship's hull departs from the vertical in an outward direction with increasing height.) They are almost straight. This means as the Whaler Drive is pushed deeper in the water it does not create more buoyancy from the increasing volume as fast as it would if there were more flare to the sides. Having some flare produces more reserve buoyancy (the volume of a ship above the water plane). Apparently in the boat shown, the twin engines have required the Whaler Drive to be practically submerged to create enough buoyancy to offset the engine weight.
Buckda	posted 06-02-2013 12:14 PM ET (US) Impossible to tell without floating the boat, but it looks like a lousy bottom paint job to me.
Tom W Clark	posted 06-02-2013 12:53 PM ET (US) That is Alex Gardner's (alkar) old boat, much discussed here on ContinuousWave over the years. It's frightening to think how much money has been spent on that boat. Yes, there is w a y too much weight in the stern. That boat floats VERY stern low.
Russ 13	posted 06-03-2013 01:11 AM ET (US) Those 115's EACH weigh about the same as a v-6 two stroke. I had a 135 Honda & upgraded to a 225 Yamaha & lost weight. .. I would say that repowering with something lighter & more powerful would be the way to go. .. That hull works very well with a single 200 to 250 Hp engine.
jimh	posted 06-03-2013 08:26 AM ET (US) The boat would probably perform better with a single HONDA BF250.
stayinstrewn	posted 06-03-2013 09:17 PM ET (US) I have a 2006 Honda 225 on my 1979 V-22...she floats fine -unless there's water in the bilge! New honda 250 looks sweet, though I'm not at all in the market!
Peter	posted 06-03-2013 09:44 PM ET (US) Those Hondas were over 500 lbs each. A V6 2-stroke 150 of similar vintage to the Whaler were about 400 lbs each. That static trim gives a good indication of how that boat would float with a pair of Verado 150s.
jimh	posted 06-03-2013 11:19 PM ET (US) Maybe that explains why no one has ever re-powered a classic Boston Whaler with twin VERADO outboard engines.
bud jones	posted 06-04-2013 02:13 AM ET (US) Many thanks for the info.