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sraab928 posted 04-06-2014 10:58 AM ET (US)
Good morning all - As you may or may not know I am in the process of refreshing my newly acquired 1971 Boston Whaler 21 Outrage Ribside. Thankfully the boat is all there including the factory [white all-round lamp]. I am in the process of stripping the boat down and getting ready to send all the railing parts etc out for re-chrome. I would like to get the lamp re-chromed, as well.
I am not quite sure how to get it apart and before I go attempting to figure it out I was hoping maybe someone here might have already done this.
Here is the lamp.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/sraab928/ 1971%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage%2021%20-%20Ribside/ Factory%20Stern%20Light/003_zpsc36bbadc.jpg
Here it is somewhat disassembled.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/sraab928/ 1971%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage%2021%20-%20Ribside/ Factory%20Stern%20Light/006_zps89a26522.jpg
I know have the post part - The top and bottom need to come off - I assume the post itself is stainless steel.
Here is what I see at the top - It appears to be a pin but does not go all the way through to the other side.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/sraab928/ 1971%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage%2021%20-%20Ribside/ Factory%20Stern%20Light/008_zpsab9c4cc7.jpg
Here is a view from the top.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/sraab928/ 1971%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage%2021%20-%20Ribside/ Factory%20Stern%20Light/010_zps1443b4fd.jpg
The bottom one does not have a pin that I can see or find.
Any input would be appreciated.
Thank you!
Scott
contender posted 04-06-2014 07:05 PM ET (US)
I think you need to remove the pin. Once the pin is out the socket should either unscrew or just be able to be pulled out with the wires. The pin in question looks like a roll pin (hammered in held in by pressure) I would try an easy out to remove the pin, but 1st soak in some type of lubricant to looses bolts and rusted stuff. let it sit overnight. Next would be to drill out the pin....good luck
Tom W Clark posted 04-06-2014 07:47 PM ET (US)
The tubing of the pole may be chrome plated brass, not stainless steel. That is what was typically used back then. I could be wrong and I can't tell looking at the photos.
Regardless, I do not think you are going to get the cast end fittings off without destroying them. See what the re-chrome shop says. Maybe plate it as is.
The roll pin just secures the socket in the casting. Get the pin out and remove the light socket.
sraab928 posted 04-07-2014 07:47 AM ET (US)
Thanks guys. I appreciate the input!
jimh posted 04-07-2014 10:38 AM ET (US)
You are going to a lot of effort to restore that old navigation lamp. Why not just replace it with something new?
The sidelight lamps on older Boston Whaler boats were often quite unique and special, but the white all-round lamp is usually rather generic.
If you are going for a museum-accurate restoration, then, by all means, restore the lamp you have, but if you just want a good white all-round lamp, there are probably better choices.
skred posted 04-07-2014 11:00 AM ET (US)
My plan is to use all the original stuff, and simply replace the bulb with and LED type...
sraab928 posted 04-07-2014 01:15 PM ET (US)
Jim, I understand there are a lot of options out there but these rear stern lights are rare these days. (at least I have not seen any of this type). If I can get it apart - (or not depending on what the tube is) the cost to plate it will be minimal in the grand scheme of all the parts I am getting plated for this project. It just seems like a nice original piece to restore for the boat.
Tom W Clark posted 04-07-2014 01:29 PM ET (US)
That stern light is as rare as hens' teeth, even more so if it is complete. You would have to be nuts to discard it. But if you do, I am sure that Tom Birdsey would be happy to take it off your hands; he lost his to storm damage several years ago
sraab928 posted 04-07-2014 04:32 PM ET (US)
Thank you for confirming what I already thought Tom. Mine is complete with original plastic top and all.
jimh posted 04-11-2014 09:09 AM ET (US)
Skred has a good idea: maintain the external appearance of the lamp but modify its internals to more modern illumination. I know the OEM sidelight lamps are a concern of purists, but I did not realize that there was similar attention on the white all-round lamp.
By the way, the present day regulations require the white all-round to be one meter higher than the sidelights lamps. Is that pole long enough?
sraab928 posted 04-11-2014 03:05 PM ET (US)
For those following this or for future reference. The light socket was held in by what appears to be a set screw. When I drilled a small hole and tried an ez-out it actually unthreaded. The post itself is brass. Good call. I took it to the plater today and they said no problem plating it as an assembly. I will post pictures when it comes back - which should be about 4 weeks from now.
As for modern updates - I plan on running an all around led bulb in there. My local camping world sells them. Something like this.
http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/ led-replacement-bulbs-93-1073-1141-1156-single/74275
As for whether its tall enough I am not sure. The boat is apart right now and all my railing fittings are at the chrome plater as well. I can tell you it does sit higher than most of those outboard cover mounted sternlights you see.

Honestly its factory and I am sticking with it regardless if the height is correct to today's standards.
Tom W Clark posted 04-11-2014 03:54 PM ET (US)
Boats this size built after 1983 were required to be equipped with a stern light one meter higher than the bow light.
Was this boat built in 1983 or more recently?

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Author	Topic: 1971 Outrage Factory White All-Round Lamp Rebuild
sraab928	posted 04-06-2014 10:58 AM ET (US) Good morning all - As you may or may not know I am in the process of refreshing my newly acquired 1971 Boston Whaler 21 Outrage Ribside. Thankfully the boat is all there including the factory [white all-round lamp]. I am in the process of stripping the boat down and getting ready to send all the railing parts etc out for re-chrome. I would like to get the lamp re-chromed, as well. I am not quite sure how to get it apart and before I go attempting to figure it out I was hoping maybe someone here might have already done this. Here is the lamp. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/sraab928/ 1971%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage%2021%20-%20Ribside/ Factory%20Stern%20Light/003_zpsc36bbadc.jpg Here it is somewhat disassembled. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/sraab928/ 1971%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage%2021%20-%20Ribside/ Factory%20Stern%20Light/006_zps89a26522.jpg I know have the post part - The top and bottom need to come off - I assume the post itself is stainless steel. Here is what I see at the top - It appears to be a pin but does not go all the way through to the other side. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/sraab928/ 1971%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage%2021%20-%20Ribside/ Factory%20Stern%20Light/008_zpsab9c4cc7.jpg Here is a view from the top. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/sraab928/ 1971%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage%2021%20-%20Ribside/ Factory%20Stern%20Light/010_zps1443b4fd.jpg The bottom one does not have a pin that I can see or find. Any input would be appreciated. Thank you! Scott
contender	posted 04-06-2014 07:05 PM ET (US) I think you need to remove the pin. Once the pin is out the socket should either unscrew or just be able to be pulled out with the wires. The pin in question looks like a roll pin (hammered in held in by pressure) I would try an easy out to remove the pin, but 1st soak in some type of lubricant to looses bolts and rusted stuff. let it sit overnight. Next would be to drill out the pin....good luck
Tom W Clark	posted 04-06-2014 07:47 PM ET (US) The tubing of the pole may be chrome plated brass, not stainless steel. That is what was typically used back then. I could be wrong and I can't tell looking at the photos. Regardless, I do not think you are going to get the cast end fittings off without destroying them. See what the re-chrome shop says. Maybe plate it as is. The roll pin just secures the socket in the casting. Get the pin out and remove the light socket.
sraab928	posted 04-07-2014 07:47 AM ET (US) Thanks guys. I appreciate the input!
jimh	posted 04-07-2014 10:38 AM ET (US) You are going to a lot of effort to restore that old navigation lamp. Why not just replace it with something new? The sidelight lamps on older Boston Whaler boats were often quite unique and special, but the white all-round lamp is usually rather generic. If you are going for a museum-accurate restoration, then, by all means, restore the lamp you have, but if you just want a good white all-round lamp, there are probably better choices.
skred	posted 04-07-2014 11:00 AM ET (US) My plan is to use all the original stuff, and simply replace the bulb with and LED type...
sraab928	posted 04-07-2014 01:15 PM ET (US) Jim, I understand there are a lot of options out there but these rear stern lights are rare these days. (at least I have not seen any of this type). If I can get it apart - (or not depending on what the tube is) the cost to plate it will be minimal in the grand scheme of all the parts I am getting plated for this project. It just seems like a nice original piece to restore for the boat.
Tom W Clark	posted 04-07-2014 01:29 PM ET (US) That stern light is as rare as hens' teeth, even more so if it is complete. You would have to be nuts to discard it. But if you do, I am sure that Tom Birdsey would be happy to take it off your hands; he lost his to storm damage several years ago
sraab928	posted 04-07-2014 04:32 PM ET (US) Thank you for confirming what I already thought Tom. Mine is complete with original plastic top and all.
jimh	posted 04-11-2014 09:09 AM ET (US) Skred has a good idea: maintain the external appearance of the lamp but modify its internals to more modern illumination. I know the OEM sidelight lamps are a concern of purists, but I did not realize that there was similar attention on the white all-round lamp. By the way, the present day regulations require the white all-round to be one meter higher than the sidelights lamps. Is that pole long enough?
sraab928	posted 04-11-2014 03:05 PM ET (US) For those following this or for future reference. The light socket was held in by what appears to be a set screw. When I drilled a small hole and tried an ez-out it actually unthreaded. The post itself is brass. Good call. I took it to the plater today and they said no problem plating it as an assembly. I will post pictures when it comes back - which should be about 4 weeks from now. As for modern updates - I plan on running an all around led bulb in there. My local camping world sells them. Something like this. http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/ led-replacement-bulbs-93-1073-1141-1156-single/74275 As for whether its tall enough I am not sure. The boat is apart right now and all my railing fittings are at the chrome plater as well. I can tell you it does sit higher than most of those outboard cover mounted sternlights you see. Honestly its factory and I am sticking with it regardless if the height is correct to today's standards.
Tom W Clark	posted 04-11-2014 03:54 PM ET (US) Boats this size built after 1983 were required to be equipped with a stern light one meter higher than the bow light. Was this boat built in 1983 or more recently?