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Frank O posted 05-04-2014 10:18 PM ET (US)   Profile for Frank O   Send Email to Frank O  
My 1995 Outrage 21 has a stock Mercury setup for the fuel-water separator filter, as in shown in this picture:

When I repowered with an Optimax 250 two years ago, the installers didn't see fit to replace the bracket.

Now that gas with ethanol is the norm in our area, I've been thinking I'd like to get a Racor filter with a transparent bowl and drain fitting so that I can check for water more easily. I gather that Racor now makes a filter that fits a Mercury-style bracket.

If you were in my shoes, would you: (a) just get the Racor filter and screw it onto the existing bracket? (b) replace the bracket with another Mercury-style bracket with a Racor filter that fits it? or (c) dispense with Mercury compatibility and go with a non-Merc Racor bracket and filter?

I gather from past posts that the Mercury brackets are stainless steel, while the Racor brackets are aluminum and corrode more easily. I therefore was leaning toward (b), unless (a) seems like it would be adequate.

jimh posted 05-05-2014 07:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I do not think that all of the canister fuel filter brackets sold under the Mercury brand are necessarily stainless steel. If you are a saltwater boaters, it may be prudent to get a stainless steel fuel filter bracket or manifold fitting.

RACOR makes their gasoline-water fuel separating filters in several sizes. There is one model that will fit the Mercury manifold. In fact, it seems like that is the most common model based on what I see on the shelf at West Marine. RACOR makes a couple of different manifold types. Some are three port, some are fout port, and one has its own primer bulb--well actually a primer button--built into the bracket. I don't know if they make a stainless steel model.

Also, based on the picture, watch out for the fuel hose seen on the right, the gray jacket fuel hose. The gray jacket fuel hose often associated with Mercury OEM primer bulb assemblies has been reported to be a source of problems when used with ethanol-gasoline blended fuels. The inner line of the fuel hose seems to be affected by the ethanol-gasoline fuel, and the liner deteriorates, separated from the other part of the rubber hose, and breaks away, restricting fuel flow.

Frank O posted 05-05-2014 08:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Frank O  Send Email to Frank O     
Thanks for the comments, Jim. Regarding the gray fuel hose, I see that on my boat it only appears on the one run between the fuel-water separating filter and the primer bulb. So that should not be too involved to replace.

I've had some difficulty finding a Mercury brand stainless steel fuel-water separator filter bracket in this bore on the Internet. The ones I find for Mercury are marked as being made by Sierra -- I wonder if this is Mercury's OEM? I also note that the threaded plugs that come with them to close off unused ports are made of brass. I wonder if there are any potential issues with bimetallic reactions when these metals are used together? Would that be a concern when I look for elbow fittings, which I'll need to fit the space where the filter is mounted under the gunwale?

Jefecinco posted 05-06-2014 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
Frank,

I believe Sierra is strictly aftermarket. Having said that I don't think their products are inferior. At one time I believe Moeller also sold a stainless filter mount.

I had a boat with the Sierra stainless steel mount and it stood up to the elements for many years and looked as good as new when I sold the boat. From the looks of your mount it would make a good replacement.

Butch

Frank O posted 05-10-2014 09:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Frank O  Send Email to Frank O     
Thanks.

I'm having a hard time finding Mercury's bracket(s) in their parts catalog for purposes of comparison. If I go to the catalog here:

http://www.mercurymarine.com/parts-and-accessories/parts-catalog/

the only option seems to be to browse for my particular engine based on its serial number, or product line and year. If I enter my engine's serial number, the parts are divided into various outboard subsystems, but nowhere among them do I find the fuel-water separating filter or bracket. Is there some other way to search their catalog?

Jefecinco posted 05-10-2014 10:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
I would search Moeller and Sierra. An exact piece/part replacement may not be available from Mercury. The filter mount on your boat is likely dealer installed and not necessarily a Mercury brand bracket.

I assume the important factor for you is for the mounting holes to match? The filter web sites will provide the hole diameters and center to center distance of the filter mounts the make/sell. The sites will also provide performance data for the filter elements they sell. Flow rate and minimum micron size will be available.

Butch

Frank O posted 05-10-2014 10:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Frank O  Send Email to Frank O     
Yes, it would make things easier if the mounting holes matched. I need to measure my existing setup, though, to make sure that a taller filter with see-through bowl and drain valve will fit in this space under the gunwale -- as the picture shows, it's not a huge amount of room. I may need to mount the bracket higher, assuming the taller filter will fit at all in this space.

From some online searches I found that Moeller makes its own fuel-water filter similar to Racor's, with a see-through bowl and drain valve. However there were a number of reviews online from boaters who said Moeller's bowl and valve tend to leak. I could always go with an all-Racor setup, but some users complained that the threading is a proprietary size and so other filters couldn't be used if necessary in a pinch. I guess in an ideal world I'd still like to go with a Mercury-compatible stainless bracket, and a Racor filter/bowl to fit it.

Jefecinco posted 05-11-2014 10:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
Frank,

Your ideal world solution would be my choice. I would probably select a Sierra stainless steel bracket and a Racor spin-on see through Mercury Marine size bowl with element.

If I recall correctly that is a fairly low profile arrangement and should fit in the space available.

Butch

Frank O posted 05-12-2014 05:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Frank O  Send Email to Frank O     
Thanks, Butch. I found a Racor spec sheet that says the vertical height of their filter/bowl/shuttlecock is 7.2", which is about 3.5" taller than my existing Mercury fuel-water separator filter. I'll measure under the gunwale later this week to see what's involved in getting the Racor to fit.

For jimh: Going back to our discussion of the gray fuel hose from the fuel-water separator to the primer bulb. I found some photos of my hose, which show it's marked as "Moeller Marine Products USCG Type B1-15 SAE J1527." I'm not 100% sure, but I'm thinking this hose may not have come with the primer bulb. From web searches it seems as though "J1527" is the spec that's supposed to mean it's ethanol-compatible. Are you still thinking this hose is probably bad news?


jimh posted 05-12-2014 08:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The gray fuel hose that I saw really in a sorry state of de-lamination and decay had a somewhat metallic and shiny finish, and it was part of a primer bulb assembly. I don't know the branding. A hose rated B2 and with a pedigree sounds better.
Ridge Runner posted 05-12-2014 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ridge Runner  Send Email to Ridge Runner     
I have always liked the Yamaha OEM Stainless Steel Mounting Head - Yamaha part number MAR-SPRTR-HD-SS http://www.simyamaha.com/Yamaha_Fuel_Filter_p/mar-sprtr-hd-ss.htm

You can pair it with the RACOR B32013 Fuel / Filter/ Water Separator.

Ridge Runner posted 05-12-2014 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ridge Runner  Send Email to Ridge Runner     
I also believe that the Mercury bolt pattern and the Yamaha are the same, I was told buy a Yamaha dealer that both companies use the same manufacture and same molds, but Mercury's is aluminum and Yamaha's is stainless steel.
rtk posted 05-13-2014 05:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
Frank, we have the same boat. I installed two RACOR fuel water separating fuel filter assemblies with the clear bowl under the aft gunnel space on the starboard side. One is for the kicker engine and one for the main.

I originally had the same set up as you. I patched the holes when I removed the old and used two aluminum L brackets to attach the new RACOR filter assemblies to the underside of the gunnel. The elevated position allows filter removal and you can still get a small cup under it to drain the plastic bowl if needed.

I just have the RACOR painted fuel filter brackets. 10 years in a salt water environment and they are still fine. I don't thing the stainless is necessary since the filter assembly is in a partially enclosed area. Hose down after you use the boat and you should be fine.

This is a link to what I installed:

http://www.marinefilters.net/v/vspfiles/pdf/320RRAC01.pdf

About 60 bucks from marinefilters.com.

Rich

Frank O posted 05-13-2014 12:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Frank O  Send Email to Frank O     
Rich, thanks for the info and the link. I was wondering if elevating the filter a few more inches would cause any flow issues, but it sounds like no.

The Racor S3227 filter you're using is shown as supporting a flow rate of 90 GPH, whereas the Racor filter sold as kind of a generic Merc replacement at West Marine is the S3213 which is rated for 60 GPH. Do you have any opinion on whether the higher rating of the S3227 is important? My current engine is a 2011 Optimax 250. I never see anything above 10 GPH on the Smartcraft instrument readout when I'm running, though I know they say you're supposed to have plenty of spare capacity to avoid starving the engine at higher speeds.

rtk posted 05-14-2014 09:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
You're welcome Frank.

I believe the Racor S3227 filter is a 60 gallon an hour max fuel flow filter. I don't see a need for a filter with a 90 gallon an hour max fuel flow.

The fuel flow of my 2003 Mercury 250 EFI engine at wide open throttle is approximately 28 gallons per hour according to Smartcraft instrumentation.

I have not noticed a fuel flow problem over the past ten years due to elevating my filter assembly a couple of inches.

Rich

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