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1986 MONTAUK 17: Adding Cuddy Cabin; Moving Console Forward: Ride Characteristics
|Author||Topic: 1986 MONTAUK 17: Adding Cuddy Cabin; Moving Console Forward: Ride Characteristics|
posted 01-03-2015 01:43 AM ET (US)
Has anyone added [a cuddy cabin or shelter or dodger or pilot house] to the [bow] of their [Boston] Whaler [MONTAUK 17]?
[Has anyone moved] the console [toward the bow]? I am thinking about [moving the console forward to] have more room in [the stern] for fishing. I would not want to [move the console of a Boston Whaler MONTAUK 17 forward] if the ride is really bad.
Information and pictures [about adding a cuddy cabin and moving the console forward on a Boston Whaler MONTAUK 17] would be appreciated.
posted 01-03-2015 11:12 AM ET (US)
A good approximation of the ride characteristics that would result if the console of a Boston Whaler MONTAUK 17 were moved forward can be obtained by standing farther forward in the boat while someone else steers from the existing console. If you are thinking about providing some sort of forward shelter on a Boston Whaler MONTAUK 17, you should consider adding a canvas dodger.
posted 01-03-2015 02:24 PM ET (US)
The 17' Montauk can easily accommodate a small forward cuddy cabin. My 6' long cabin could sleep 2 adults comfortable. The Montauk rides light in the bow with a 100hp outboard on the stern. The added weight of the cabin actually improved the boats ride quality.
This photograph shows the completed cuddy cabin project and the previous 4-images show stages of the construction.
All the best of luck on your Montauk project.
posted 01-03-2015 02:37 PM ET (US)
Boston Whaler made a [cuddy cabin] 17-footer for a few years. It was called a MENEMSHA.
The Menemsha answers two of your questions, because it eliminates the console and utilizes a helm station that is attached to the hard forward shell; there is more space in the [stern]. Not sure about the ride characteristics, but it was a weird looking duck.
You can also make one yourself. Here's a 15-footer with an enclosed bow: http://www.whalercentral.com/images/photoalbum_3/useralbum_22/ photo_169_t2.jpg
Of course, with the exception of buying a well used Menemsha (they are fairly difficult to find, but generally sell for cheap unless restored), you may find the best price option is to go to a local canvas shop or buy a Mills shelter for the boat.
As for moving the console forward, depending on the year your boat is, your floor config might limit how far forward you can move the console, and that will limit the utility/space of your forward shelter, be it canvas or fiberglass.
In general, adding weight forward (hard shelter) will improve the ride, to a point, since it will change the trim angle to cut the water where there is more of a "V" pattern on the hull *(forward, and for smirked hulls this will be a greater benefit than for smirkless ones).
If you have fiberglass construction skills, adding a hard [cuddy cabin] will cost you a lot of time and about $700 in materials. If you have a hard cabin added to the boat, it could cost several thousand or more. Mills canvas is somewhere in the ballpark of $1500 but you wouldn't be able to use it with the console moved forward as the rear bar for the shelter will interfere with the console railing. If you are set on doing both (Canvas and console forward) a good local canvas shop that comes with recommendations for custom construction might be the way to go. This could cost a couple thousand also.
Just some thoughts.
posted 01-03-2015 06:18 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the links to images of cuddy cabins and dodgers or forward shelters.
posted 01-03-2015 07:09 PM ET (US)
[T]hanks for all the feedback. [What is being sought as a modification to the MONTAUK 17] is something like [what is shown in the image at] http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/clyde3758/media/01111_9l9ML12BfhL_600x450_zpscd299d7c.jpg.html
posted 01-04-2015 02:30 AM ET (US)
Do you plan to construct a large cuddy cabin with very tall headroom as shown in the image (see URL above) and also have a center console for your control station?
posted 01-05-2015 11:01 AM ET (US)
http://static.parastorage.com/services/santa/1.356.12//static/external/ galleries/Thumbnails/Thumbnails.html?compId=Thmbnls0-smr& deviceType=desktop&locale=en&viewMode=site
I'm not sure if the above link will work.
If I'm not mistaken, someone used one of these consoles on a Montauk. The first link is to what I believe is that boat.
posted 01-05-2015 11:48 AM ET (US)
Reading the original post, I immediately had a few thoughts:
1. Why would anyone want a cuddy on a Montauk? The classic Montauk is only 16' 7" long, hardly a boat big enough to want to spend the night on. There is a reason Boston Whaler stopped building the Menemsha, it was a design that didn't really work well for anything.
In my humble opinion, if someone wants a boat with a cuddy, they should buy a larger boat that comes from the factory with a cuddy. That said, it's your boat, do what you like with it.
posted 01-07-2015 02:17 AM ET (US)
I totally understand why someone would want to put shelter on the boat but as mentioned it really has some restrictions. I tried it and it lasted a few years before I just realized I needed a larger Whaler.
However without the console (Standard) model there is much more space to deal with so you can add a platform and a bimini shelter and still have the stern and the middle section of the boat where the console is located. Storage just slid under the platform out of the way. Add two swivel seats instead of a bench and you have a reasonable semi cuddy with space. When you don't want/need it the shelter just folds down like any other.
The 20 or 22 Outrage gives the best ability to customize with a console in this manner as its hull is heavier and stronger to distribute weight concerns. It offers higher side walls with a console and flat floor up front. The best I have seen is the 22 with a molded powder coated and gel-coat t-top with black canvas custom to fit the bow. Looks real sharp with the desert tan gel-coat glimmering in the sun with fishing rods up on the top with down-riggers spread off the back.
I know this is not the boat in the topic but thought I would mention how its ideal for an open boat offering front shelter options at the same time still having the space for other stuff. Of course the 22 Outrage with Cuddy is another model that thought of this for the all around fisherman that wanted an Outrage but a place to sleep.
posted 01-07-2015 05:46 AM ET (US)
Adding a pilot house to a Boston Whaler 17' Montauk offers shelter from wind and spray. This allows you to end a day of fishing on a good note by remaining warm and dry.
Here are 2 custom built pilot houses on Montauks.
posted 01-07-2015 09:43 AM ET (US)
Bill--your modified Boston Whaler NANTUCKET SLEIGHRIDE looks great. You did an wonderful job on the conversion.
posted 01-07-2015 01:43 PM ET (US)
Thank you very much for the compliment.
Boston Whaler enthusiast owe you a debt of gratitude for creating and maintaining this outstanding website.
posted 01-14-2015 12:27 AM ET (US)
Wow Bill - Nantucket Sleighride!
You've done some incredible work there.
Definitely has the function before form styling,
but I can imagine a drier trip home from Santa Cruz!
Spied all the shots and all the house-whalers look like workhorses.
Can't believe you got away with building those in your yard though!
Thanks for showing these off!
posted 07-17-2015 01:27 PM ET (US)
I am planning a cuddy for my 1987 Montauk. Your online photos are great and have given me many of ideas. I was wondering if you could give me some pointers on plywood thickness and layers of glass. Also paint v gelcoat
posted 07-17-2015 03:04 PM ET (US)
I will be glad to answer any questions that you have regarding the construction of a pilot house on your Montauk
posted 07-17-2015 03:23 PM ET (US)
My apologies for not responding to your comments more quickly.
You mentioned that:
Don't fire-up the power tools until after 9am and stop making a racket after 8pm.
I also do handyman work (Carpentry, electrical, and plumbing) for all my neighbors.
Time for me to get back to my "Boston Whaler Boat Barn" and get some work done on my 1988 Guardian 18'.
All the best
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