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Marko888 posted 04-10-2015 01:21 AM ET (US)
I'm looking at a boat with the big super console, and I would prefer a Montauk-size standard console for more deck space. I realize [the smaller console] should be a bolt-in, but I'm curious as to how ugly the [deck] will be from the former super console footprint, and how tough it may be to repair the floor so it's not an eyesore.
Has anyone done the swap from super console to standard console in a classic Outrage?
jimh posted 04-10-2015 11:31 AM ET (US)
I don't recall ever seeing any discussion on this topic or any images or photographs showing the appearance of the deck after a Super Console was removed. I imagine the deck would just show some dirt and old sealant, along with the screw fastener holes that were used to fasten the console to the deck. You should be able to remove the old sealant, if any were used, and to clean up the deck areas that have accumulated dirt and stains. Repair of the fastener holes is simple. If the fastener holes are located in areas of the deck that have a non-skid pattern, matching the non-skid pattern and casting it into the repair will be difficult. It probably is not necessary.
The biggest concern in making such a swap of consoles is the location of any large access holes in the deck. If there is a large access hole cut into the deck that was covered by the Super Console and will not be covered by the standard console, you'd have a big problem.
What model of Boston Whaler boat are you considering?
Marko888 posted 04-10-2015 11:50 AM ET (US)
Thanks Jim. [The boat is an] Outrage 22 Cuddy. I've had the standard console out of my 18, and yes, it was dirty along the mounting holes and would probably clean up. I was just hoping to find a photo as I don't have any from my own and haven't seen an image of a floor with super console removed.
Perhaps a good solution would be to fill the holes with countersunk (flush with surface) stainless screws and avoid trying to match the non-skid pattern.
Good thought re the rigging hawse. As this should be above the tunnel, my expectation would be that it should align for the standard console. Might anyone be able to confirm this?
jimh posted 04-10-2015 01:34 PM ET (US)
Yes, a good way to cosmetically hide old fastener holes is to fill them with a fastener. People seem to tolerate an unexplained screw head in the middle of the deck better than they do a mis-match in the non-skid pattern. A nice touch for the cosmetic fastener: use a flat head screw and a dress washer.
andygere posted 04-10-2015 05:19 PM ET (US)
On my '89 22 Cuddy, the rigging hawse is just slightly aft of the square deck plate on the starboard side of the boat. My boat originally had captain's chairs, and the previous owner installed a leaning post. I put in an RPS, so there were a few holes to fill in the deck. I countersunk them slightly to get a clean area to repair, and injected thickened polyester resin into the holes, about 1/8" below flush. After curing, I cleaned them up with the countersink and filled to flush with color matched Spectrum patch paste. I did not try to match the non skid pattern, and you can barely see the repairs.
On the 22 Cuddy, I think the Montauk style console is a better option. It allows more room to move around the console, and allows a 94 qt. cooler seat to fit in front of the console with plenty of room to get in and out of the cuddy. In this photo you can sort of get an idea of how much space is available with the Montauk console. Note that the cooler pictured here as a big 128 qt. that I've since replaced with the smaller 94 qt.
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/andygere/media/2008%20Rendezvous/ IMG_3912_1.jpg.html
Hoosier posted 04-11-2015 08:57 AM ET (US)
One thing to consider in doing the console swap is the Montauk console is shorter than the Super Console. There have been discussions about the low helm position while standing and several people, me included, have raised the console to get a more comfortable helm position.
crabby posted 04-11-2015 09:54 AM ET (US)
[Offers to provide private email with more information]. Beyond fastener holes you may need to deal with scuffing on the deck if the console was loose. And as has been mentioned you will need to deal with the cabling. I agree with everyone who has said that the super console just takes up too much room with the cuddy; I almost pulled my standard console from the Montauk to put in this boat but instead opted to remove the cuddy.
Marko888 posted 04-11-2015 03:46 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the input everyone.

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Author	Topic: Replacing Super Console With Standard Console
Marko888	posted 04-10-2015 01:21 AM ET (US) I'm looking at a boat with the big super console, and I would prefer a Montauk-size standard console for more deck space. I realize [the smaller console] should be a bolt-in, but I'm curious as to how ugly the [deck] will be from the former super console footprint, and how tough it may be to repair the floor so it's not an eyesore. Has anyone done the swap from super console to standard console in a classic Outrage?
jimh	posted 04-10-2015 11:31 AM ET (US) I don't recall ever seeing any discussion on this topic or any images or photographs showing the appearance of the deck after a Super Console was removed. I imagine the deck would just show some dirt and old sealant, along with the screw fastener holes that were used to fasten the console to the deck. You should be able to remove the old sealant, if any were used, and to clean up the deck areas that have accumulated dirt and stains. Repair of the fastener holes is simple. If the fastener holes are located in areas of the deck that have a non-skid pattern, matching the non-skid pattern and casting it into the repair will be difficult. It probably is not necessary. The biggest concern in making such a swap of consoles is the location of any large access holes in the deck. If there is a large access hole cut into the deck that was covered by the Super Console and will not be covered by the standard console, you'd have a big problem. What model of Boston Whaler boat are you considering?
Marko888	posted 04-10-2015 11:50 AM ET (US) Thanks Jim. [The boat is an] Outrage 22 Cuddy. I've had the standard console out of my 18, and yes, it was dirty along the mounting holes and would probably clean up. I was just hoping to find a photo as I don't have any from my own and haven't seen an image of a floor with super console removed. Perhaps a good solution would be to fill the holes with countersunk (flush with surface) stainless screws and avoid trying to match the non-skid pattern. Good thought re the rigging hawse. As this should be above the tunnel, my expectation would be that it should align for the standard console. Might anyone be able to confirm this?
jimh	posted 04-10-2015 01:34 PM ET (US) Yes, a good way to cosmetically hide old fastener holes is to fill them with a fastener. People seem to tolerate an unexplained screw head in the middle of the deck better than they do a mis-match in the non-skid pattern. A nice touch for the cosmetic fastener: use a flat head screw and a dress washer.
andygere	posted 04-10-2015 05:19 PM ET (US) On my '89 22 Cuddy, the rigging hawse is just slightly aft of the square deck plate on the starboard side of the boat. My boat originally had captain's chairs, and the previous owner installed a leaning post. I put in an RPS, so there were a few holes to fill in the deck. I countersunk them slightly to get a clean area to repair, and injected thickened polyester resin into the holes, about 1/8" below flush. After curing, I cleaned them up with the countersink and filled to flush with color matched Spectrum patch paste. I did not try to match the non skid pattern, and you can barely see the repairs. On the 22 Cuddy, I think the Montauk style console is a better option. It allows more room to move around the console, and allows a 94 qt. cooler seat to fit in front of the console with plenty of room to get in and out of the cuddy. In this photo you can sort of get an idea of how much space is available with the Montauk console. Note that the cooler pictured here as a big 128 qt. that I've since replaced with the smaller 94 qt. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/andygere/media/2008%20Rendezvous/ IMG_3912_1.jpg.html
Hoosier	posted 04-11-2015 08:57 AM ET (US) One thing to consider in doing the console swap is the Montauk console is shorter than the Super Console. There have been discussions about the low helm position while standing and several people, me included, have raised the console to get a more comfortable helm position.
crabby	posted 04-11-2015 09:54 AM ET (US) [Offers to provide private email with more information]. Beyond fastener holes you may need to deal with scuffing on the deck if the console was loose. And as has been mentioned you will need to deal with the cabling. I agree with everyone who has said that the super console just takes up too much room with the cuddy; I almost pulled my standard console from the Montauk to put in this boat but instead opted to remove the cuddy.
Marko888	posted 04-11-2015 03:46 PM ET (US) Thanks for the input everyone.