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Marko888 posted 08-14-2015 02:53 PM ET (US)   Profile for Marko888  
I've read a lot of old threads about c.1986 Outrage 20 boats. They sound like great boats, but ones which require a careful setup for correct weight distribution. I've noticed a couple of mentions of moving the console forward. This sounds like a smart modification as it would create more space aft as well as move the centre of gravity forward. I realize this would involve losing the standard cooler seat location, or at minimum requiring a revision to its mounting. One option would be a bracketed seat in place of the cooler seat in front of the console.

Does anyone have a photo of an Outrage 20 with the standard console moved forward? Does anyone have any input on how far foward the console could be moved while still being above the rigging tunnel hawsepipe through the floor?

Thanks

cc378 posted 08-14-2015 08:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for cc378  Send Email to cc378     
I have the Outrage 20 with Whaler Drive, a Honda [250], and two batteries in the stern. I did not move the console forward. I have never had [concerns about weight], even with four big guys fishing in the stern fishing. I would hate to lose the room for the cooler seat.
Phil T posted 08-16-2015 05:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Phil T  Send Email to Phil T     
Marko--I think you are reading about the V20 that was produced from 1977 to 1984. This model had the [concerns about weight distribution] you describe. There is a good read by Sal D. on his boat and observations in the reference section:

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/V20Outrage/

The 1985 to 1989 model of the Outrage 20 had a different hull design and was not similar.

Marko888 posted 08-16-2015 10:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marko888    
I'm aware of the two generations of Outrage 20: 1978 to 1985 and 1986 to 1989. I've read posts indicating the 1986 to 1989 OUTRAGE 20 had similar [concerns about weight distribution] to the first V20, but that the deeper V-hull made it a better riding boat. I also read about a console move, and was looking for more on this topic.
jimh posted 08-17-2015 07:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I am not aware of any particular special concern about weight distribution on the OUTRAGE V-20 c.1978 or the OUTRAGE 20 c.1986 that would be significantly different from any 20-foot boat. If there are four heavy adults aboard any 20-foot boat, their positions in the boat will affect the trim on the boat.
Phil T posted 08-17-2015 10:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Phil T  Send Email to Phil T     
Marko -

Please educate Jim and us and paste some links to the threads that illustrate your concerns.

Marko888 posted 08-17-2015 08:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marko888    
There have been many. Here are a couple:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004819.html

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010594.html

I have not been able to re-find the one where a console move was mentioned.

I've just got an obsession going on here because the Outrage 18 project is finished, so I'm plotting and scheming for the next one!

Phil T posted 08-19-2015 01:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Phil T  Send Email to Phil T     
I still go back to my comment that MANY members discuss ride characteristics of the [OUTRAGE 20] when they are referring to the [OUTRAGE V-20]. The V-20 has a completely different hull then the 1986-89 Outrage 20.

Larry points out a critical fact:

quote:
The [OUTRAGE V-20] had porpoising problems with the OMC V-6 engine of the same years, 1978-1984, because of lack of adequate engine "tuck-in" trim range.

Regardless, I like the idea of moving the console forward. No one likes to ride in the bow area in the snot.

andygere posted 08-19-2015 01:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
One of the downsides of moving the console forward is that the apparent ride for the helmsman worsens as you move closer to the bow. One thing I love about my Outrage 22 Cuddy is that the console is farther aft than on a standard Outrage, which means the ride feels softer at the helm.
jimh posted 08-20-2015 10:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
That is a vintage comment from Larry. He says the cause of the problem was due to not using a Mercury outboard engine. In LHG's point of view, the cause of many problems with Boston Whaler boats tends to stem from not using Mercury engines. Also, to the best of my knowledge, Larry never owned a c.1986 Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 20, and I doubt he has spent much time, if any, underway on a c.1986 Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 20. If searching for opinions about the behavior of a c.1986 OUTRAGE 20 hull, I'd give more credence to comments from people who actually own the boat have perhaps a few hundred hours of time underway on the boat. Larry also acknowledges (in one of the old threads mentioned above) that he has never been on one of the models about which he offers observations and comments.

I operated a 20-foot hull in the REVENGE 20 model, and it did not have any particular tendency to porpoise wildly or uncontrollably. Problems with porpoising are usually a result of excessive transom weight and poor trim settings. You can have porpoising in almost any moderate v-hull planing boat if you don't correct for it with trim of the engine. Even an OUTRAGE 25 with twin 200-HP engines on an long set back bracket will porpoise, and I say that from first hand experience.

Marko888 posted 08-20-2015 02:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marko888    
Thanks for the considered replies.

Can anyone provide some guidance on approximately how far forward the console could be moved forward, yet still be above the rigging tunnel enough to not require surgery below the deck? I would expect the console floor would have to be replaced with the rigging hawse moved aft, but that's easy.

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