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Kim posted 03-11-2001 11:23 AM ET (US)
I have a montauk17 (1983) and repowered it last year. had a omc 70hp 2-stroke. I looked at all brands of o/b but the suzuki was the best. and I am very happy with it one year later, (228hrs)on it .
this year they came out with a DF90 & DF115 HP models weight is 416 lbs. 4-stroke DOHC in-line cylinder, 4 valves per cylinder with long track pulse-tuned intake manifold and digital sequential multi-port fuel injection.
all the suzuki's (4-stroke) are fuel injection. this is one of the reasons I got the suzuki. the other is the six yes six year warranty. but to get this six year warranty it has to be bought befor 3/31/01. suzuki dose this promation (s/p) every year. what a deal !!! fuel injection plus six year warranty , lets see honda or the others top that !
one more thing the weight for the DF60 & DF70 is 335 lbs DF50 & DF40 is 238 lbs DF30 & DF25 is 221 lbs.
kim.

bdb posted 03-11-2001 01:59 PM ET (US)
Kim,
Which engine did you buy? How does it compare to the 70 you were running?
Kim posted 03-11-2001 02:40 PM ET (US)
I got the DF70 . there is no way to compair (s/p) I'm swinging a 13 & 1/4 inch x 18 pitch ss prop. top speed 38 mph on gps.lots of POWER! if you are not holding on it would throw ont of the boat.almost to mutch HP.have a 26 gal tank, but only burn 6.2 gal a day rock cod fishing. thats about 8 to 10 hrs running time,about 36 miles. better than half of the 2-stroke.
I NEVER thought I would have Suzuki !!! but I'm sure glad I do.
kim. PS I did the installation my self, it allso has a smart system built in, like most of the new o/b's
jimh posted 03-11-2001 10:55 PM ET (US)
The Suzuki 4-stroke with fuel injection seems to be the market leader in current 4-stroke engine technology.
Where did you buy it? From a local dealer?
In my boating area (SE Michigan) I have to drive 50 miles to find even a Yamaha dealer, and I'd have to drive 150-200 miles to find the nearest Suzuki dealer. In the process I would have driven past dozens of OMC and MERC dealers.
It seems like Suzuki has not quite been able to get their advanced engine to the marketplace due to lack of dealers. At least that is the perspective here.
I would be curious to hear if Suzuki in your area has a strong dealer network. That would be a definite plus in choosing any engine brand.
lhg posted 03-11-2001 11:11 PM ET (US)
Suzuki was supplying all of OMC's 4 Strokes until OMC went bust, so I think they thought they had the market covered with OMC's dealerships. Now I hear they have made the same deal with Bombardier, and will be supplying their 4 strokes, but not until the 2002 model year.
I notice they've finally given up on this game that all other manufacturers have been playing for years in painting an outboard as dark as possible, but not Mercury black. Now they're just plain painting the new 4 strokes their own shade of black!
Dick posted 03-11-2001 11:16 PM ET (US)
From what I have seen Suzuki protects their dealer network an doesn't put a dealer on every corner. I run a Merc 4 stroke now but if I were to re-power it would be Suzuki. I think the drive would be worth it. Nothing against my Merc but I like the Suzuki technology.
Dick
Kim posted 03-12-2001 08:11 AM ET (US)
you are right they don't put one on rvery corner, only one here in san diego. but more in LA. I got mine at
Pacific Marine Supply
4114 Napier St.
San Diego, CA. 92110
619 275 0508
the owner name is Pat a great guy to deal with. they would have been happy to do the installation / but I like doing the work on my boat. a motor could be shiped to where erver you are I'm sure. they come in a well protected box.just
like merc. or the others.

there some difrances(s/p) in the omc like; the prop is omc. the wireing harness, gages suzuki are mutch better than onc they have red lights omc has white. also in the way they are sold. the tac. comes with on suzuki not so with omc.and so on ...
jim I have some pics of thru hul transducer (furuno / cams BR7)
I will send you if you like ? some dig & some foto. I'm kinda limited on what I can do with this web tv.
kim.
Whaletosh posted 03-12-2001 08:47 AM ET (US)
JimH,
We have a suszuki dealer in Kalamazoo.
Let me know (direct e-mail if you like) if you would like the name address, phone, etc.
We also have 2 Honda dealers as well.
Dan posted 03-12-2001 09:37 AM ET (US)
Kim, I'm glad you're happy with your Suzuki engine.
I just sold my Montauk, which had a 1989 Suzuki 115 on it. One of the reasons I sold the boat was because the Suzuki dealers that I dealt with on Long Island were terible -- (in my opinion) -- Jensens Marine and Moriches Boat & Motor. Each place, in my opinion, ripped me off and had only their own interests in mind. Several boaters I've recently come in contact with have voiced the same thoughts regarding these dealers. I would sooner buy a paddleboat, then ever again get involved with a Suzuki product. Furthermore, even on Long Island, population over 7 million, there are very few Suzuki dealers -- 3 I think, and virtually no boat repair facilities or mechanics want to work on Suzuki motors. Parts take longer to get. Guages, props, controls are all harder to find and with less variety. Also having a Suzuki, makes it harder to sell your boat. I now own a Merc. The only other brand I'd consider is a Yamaha. However, with Mercs available everywhere, and with many more options for repair and parts -- it's definitely my first choice. One of the reasons Suzuki offers a 6-year warranty is because consumers need this incentive to overcome the negative factors I mentioned previously.
gvisko posted 07-04-2001 07:01 PM ET (US)
dan i just purchased my new 70hp susuki 4 stroke
from moriches boat and motor and i found them
to be very professional and nice .
what are some of the things that made you mad at them. gvisko
Dan posted 07-05-2001 11:46 AM ET (US)
Gvisko, I'm sure Moreitches (lol) was nice to you -- after all you were spending a lot of money. They act friendly. I liked them too. I mistakenly believed they were nice. But when they had the opportunity to help me they tried to screw me. They told me I had a cracked crankcase and tried to bang me for 1200 plus. I went somewhere else -- turned out the carbs needed cleaning. I lost a month of boating in the process. To top it all off, Moreitches charged me for their self-serving "diagnosis." Suzuki might be worth owning, but on Long Island, with few Suzuki dealers, one's options are limited. With my current Merc, or a Yamaha there are many more dealers. A customer has options. The above are my unique experiences and how I view them. Other people may have better experiences. In the end it comes down to trust. I believe you have a 6-year warranty. Good luck.
gvisko posted 07-05-2001 05:30 PM ET (US)
thanks dan i do have the 6 yr warrenty so
i hope they take care of it and bill suzuki
which iam sure they will if any thing goes wrong. i realy feel that 80% of all marine
dealers will try to get you if you let them
same as home improvment buissness and
other related buissness thats why you need
refferals i thank you for your heads up
and will keep my eys open when i deal with
them hope to sea you on the water sometime
thanks gvisko<><
Dan posted 07-05-2001 09:07 PM ET (US)
Gvisko, Moritches is a great/beautiful spot for boating. I'm on the North Shore, and with a 17, I doubt I'll be getting around Montauk anytime soon, but, who knows?

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Author	Topic: Suzuki
Kim	posted 03-11-2001 11:23 AM ET (US) I have a montauk17 (1983) and repowered it last year. had a omc 70hp 2-stroke. I looked at all brands of o/b but the suzuki was the best. and I am very happy with it one year later, (228hrs)on it . this year they came out with a DF90 & DF115 HP models weight is 416 lbs. 4-stroke DOHC in-line cylinder, 4 valves per cylinder with long track pulse-tuned intake manifold and digital sequential multi-port fuel injection. all the suzuki's (4-stroke) are fuel injection. this is one of the reasons I got the suzuki. the other is the six yes six year warranty. but to get this six year warranty it has to be bought befor 3/31/01. suzuki dose this promation (s/p) every year. what a deal !!! fuel injection plus six year warranty , lets see honda or the others top that ! one more thing the weight for the DF60 & DF70 is 335 lbs DF50 & DF40 is 238 lbs DF30 & DF25 is 221 lbs. kim.
bdb	posted 03-11-2001 01:59 PM ET (US) Kim, Which engine did you buy? How does it compare to the 70 you were running?
Kim	posted 03-11-2001 02:40 PM ET (US) I got the DF70 . there is no way to compair (s/p) I'm swinging a 13 & 1/4 inch x 18 pitch ss prop. top speed 38 mph on gps.lots of POWER! if you are not holding on it would throw ont of the boat.almost to mutch HP.have a 26 gal tank, but only burn 6.2 gal a day rock cod fishing. thats about 8 to 10 hrs running time,about 36 miles. better than half of the 2-stroke. I NEVER thought I would have Suzuki !!! but I'm sure glad I do. kim. PS I did the installation my self, it allso has a smart system built in, like most of the new o/b's
jimh	posted 03-11-2001 10:55 PM ET (US) The Suzuki 4-stroke with fuel injection seems to be the market leader in current 4-stroke engine technology. Where did you buy it? From a local dealer? In my boating area (SE Michigan) I have to drive 50 miles to find even a Yamaha dealer, and I'd have to drive 150-200 miles to find the nearest Suzuki dealer. In the process I would have driven past dozens of OMC and MERC dealers. It seems like Suzuki has not quite been able to get their advanced engine to the marketplace due to lack of dealers. At least that is the perspective here. I would be curious to hear if Suzuki in your area has a strong dealer network. That would be a definite plus in choosing any engine brand.
lhg	posted 03-11-2001 11:11 PM ET (US) Suzuki was supplying all of OMC's 4 Strokes until OMC went bust, so I think they thought they had the market covered with OMC's dealerships. Now I hear they have made the same deal with Bombardier, and will be supplying their 4 strokes, but not until the 2002 model year. I notice they've finally given up on this game that all other manufacturers have been playing for years in painting an outboard as dark as possible, but not Mercury black. Now they're just plain painting the new 4 strokes their own shade of black!
Dick	posted 03-11-2001 11:16 PM ET (US) From what I have seen Suzuki protects their dealer network an doesn't put a dealer on every corner. I run a Merc 4 stroke now but if I were to re-power it would be Suzuki. I think the drive would be worth it. Nothing against my Merc but I like the Suzuki technology. Dick
Kim	posted 03-12-2001 08:11 AM ET (US) you are right they don't put one on rvery corner, only one here in san diego. but more in LA. I got mine at Pacific Marine Supply 4114 Napier St. San Diego, CA. 92110 619 275 0508 the owner name is Pat a great guy to deal with. they would have been happy to do the installation / but I like doing the work on my boat. a motor could be shiped to where erver you are I'm sure. they come in a well protected box.just like merc. or the others. there some difrances(s/p) in the omc like; the prop is omc. the wireing harness, gages suzuki are mutch better than onc they have red lights omc has white. also in the way they are sold. the tac. comes with on suzuki not so with omc.and so on ... jim I have some pics of thru hul transducer (furuno / cams BR7) I will send you if you like ? some dig & some foto. I'm kinda limited on what I can do with this web tv. kim.
Whaletosh	posted 03-12-2001 08:47 AM ET (US) JimH, We have a suszuki dealer in Kalamazoo. Let me know (direct e-mail if you like) if you would like the name address, phone, etc. We also have 2 Honda dealers as well.
Dan	posted 03-12-2001 09:37 AM ET (US) Kim, I'm glad you're happy with your Suzuki engine. I just sold my Montauk, which had a 1989 Suzuki 115 on it. One of the reasons I sold the boat was because the Suzuki dealers that I dealt with on Long Island were terible -- (in my opinion) -- Jensens Marine and Moriches Boat & Motor. Each place, in my opinion, ripped me off and had only their own interests in mind. Several boaters I've recently come in contact with have voiced the same thoughts regarding these dealers. I would sooner buy a paddleboat, then ever again get involved with a Suzuki product. Furthermore, even on Long Island, population over 7 million, there are very few Suzuki dealers -- 3 I think, and virtually no boat repair facilities or mechanics want to work on Suzuki motors. Parts take longer to get. Guages, props, controls are all harder to find and with less variety. Also having a Suzuki, makes it harder to sell your boat. I now own a Merc. The only other brand I'd consider is a Yamaha. However, with Mercs available everywhere, and with many more options for repair and parts -- it's definitely my first choice. One of the reasons Suzuki offers a 6-year warranty is because consumers need this incentive to overcome the negative factors I mentioned previously.
gvisko	posted 07-04-2001 07:01 PM ET (US) dan i just purchased my new 70hp susuki 4 stroke from moriches boat and motor and i found them to be very professional and nice . what are some of the things that made you mad at them. gvisko
Dan	posted 07-05-2001 11:46 AM ET (US) Gvisko, I'm sure Moreitches (lol) was nice to you -- after all you were spending a lot of money. They act friendly. I liked them too. I mistakenly believed they were nice. But when they had the opportunity to help me they tried to screw me. They told me I had a cracked crankcase and tried to bang me for 1200 plus. I went somewhere else -- turned out the carbs needed cleaning. I lost a month of boating in the process. To top it all off, Moreitches charged me for their self-serving "diagnosis." Suzuki might be worth owning, but on Long Island, with few Suzuki dealers, one's options are limited. With my current Merc, or a Yamaha there are many more dealers. A customer has options. The above are my unique experiences and how I view them. Other people may have better experiences. In the end it comes down to trust. I believe you have a 6-year warranty. Good luck.
gvisko	posted 07-05-2001 05:30 PM ET (US) thanks dan i do have the 6 yr warrenty so i hope they take care of it and bill suzuki which iam sure they will if any thing goes wrong. i realy feel that 80% of all marine dealers will try to get you if you let them same as home improvment buissness and other related buissness thats why you need refferals i thank you for your heads up and will keep my eys open when i deal with them hope to sea you on the water sometime thanks gvisko<><
Dan	posted 07-05-2001 09:07 PM ET (US) Gvisko, Moritches is a great/beautiful spot for boating. I'm on the North Shore, and with a 17, I doubt I'll be getting around Montauk anytime soon, but, who knows?