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JimU posted 04-10-2001 02:59 PM ET (US)
Any recommendations as to the best 40 horse 2-stroke for a 13 sport? And where can I get the best price--any internet sources? Thanks Jim
compounder posted 04-10-2001 04:18 PM ET (US)
Jim, I don't at present have a 13 BW, but do own a Scout 145 Sportfish equipped with a c-40 Yamaha.
Engine is smooth, powerful & economical. Only complaint I have is that you cannot start the engine unless it is tilted all the way down.....and I have not found a way to bypass this feature yet.
I would try to establish a relationship with a nearby local dealership if at all possible.
I've mail ordered a couple of Tohatsu/Nissan engines from Houma Marine in Louisiana, but nothing beats a good, close-to-home dealer.
Joe
FISHNFF posted 04-10-2001 04:38 PM ET (US)
I ran a 40 Yamaha with oil injection and T/T and loved it. Smooth, strong, and reliable.
FISHNFF posted 04-10-2001 04:39 PM ET (US)
By the way, it was a 1990 motor on a 1981 hull, 13 Sport.
lhg posted 04-10-2001 04:56 PM ET (US)
Jim - I would recommend a Mercury, 3 cylinder model, 59 cubic inches vs the Yamaha 42 cubic inches. The Merc has got to be a lot stronger, with a much larger alternator. Merc weighs 199 lbs with 16 amp alternator, while the oil injected, PT, Yamaha weighs 189 lb with a 6 amp alternator.
I know a Dealer in Ft Lauderdale who will ship you one, no sales tax out of state, for $3278. It has 20" shaft, Power Trim & Oil injection. This is the standard engine being supplied with Whaler's new 13 Sport. Interestingly enough, a 50HP is the same price (of interest to you 15 & 17' owners)!
Bass Pro shops Outdoor World stores also sell for about these prices. You'll find these prices hard to beat.
If you want the 15" short shaft, with Merc you can get electric start and oil injection, but no power trim. Price is $2922. I would not do this, and instead install either a static lift plate or 6" setback jack plate, and go with the 20" engine.
All of this shows us some interesting figures on the current 13 Sport package being offered at $9000. Assuming the engine/control package at $3500., the trailer at $400., this means the 13' Sport boat is selling for about $5100.
JimU posted 04-11-2001 10:25 AM ET (US)
IHG--that $5100 price for the boat is interesting. I just bouught a "cherry" 1984 13' sport with older 40 hp merc in good shape and trailer in good shape for $2325. JIM
tbyrne posted 04-11-2001 11:27 AM ET (US)
I agree that it is interesting, but I think you need to discount the price a bit to account for freight, rigging, dealer prep, etc.
I also think that $400 for the trailer seems a bit low. My brother puchased a new trailer last year for his (formerly my) 1975 BW Classic 13. While I haven't seen it, he has described it and it sounds like the same trailer as that included in my 2000 Sport 13 package I think he paid at least $600.
I would guess that the actual boat price is more like $4,500. Only Brunswick knows, I guess. . .
lhg posted 04-11-2001 03:14 PM ET (US)
I was under the assumption that freight was extra on this Whaler, as it has always been with any Whaler. Maybe not. As for Dealer Prep, like with autos, this has always been questionable if the boat is pre-packaged. I have seen the Sport 13's come in, and all the Dealer has to do remove the white shrink wrap & drop in a battery. That's what the package concept is all about, supposedly. And that charge would be extra, anyway.
The factory rigging of the engine is an obvious cost, but since you can't buy this Whaler not factory rigged, it's just part of the assembly cost of the boat. This work couldn't be worth more than $200.
As for the trailer, it's a nice one, but it's still an "el cheapo". There's practically nothing to it, with no rollers at all. EZ Loaders are not particularly high quality trailers. I know a higher quality, all welded, galvanized keel roller trailer for a 13 is about $550 on the open market, so this one should be less. Same type keel roller trailer for a Montauk is about $800.
I am not trying to run down the Sport 13 here! Just thought it would be interesting to do a little business analysis on the package concept and sum of the parts. I would guess that BW sells the package rig to the Dealer for about $6700.
ron miller posted 04-21-2001 09:40 PM ET (US)
I too have a 1975 boston, super sport with a 82 Evinrude, just got redoing her from top to bottom, the boat and engine are in mint condition, today just finished putting on the final coat of paint on the engine, in the winter rejetted the carbs, pushing close to 50 horsepower, last night me and the wife just re did the steering cable and pulleys, this boat is show room condition, but it wasn't when we bought her last October, I personally wouldn't trade the 2-cycle for a 4-cycle, get up and go,,, boat, motor, and trailer we bought for 2,300..

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Author	Topic: 40 horse 2-strokes
JimU	posted 04-10-2001 02:59 PM ET (US) Any recommendations as to the best 40 horse 2-stroke for a 13 sport? And where can I get the best price--any internet sources? Thanks Jim
compounder	posted 04-10-2001 04:18 PM ET (US) Jim, I don't at present have a 13 BW, but do own a Scout 145 Sportfish equipped with a c-40 Yamaha. Engine is smooth, powerful & economical. Only complaint I have is that you cannot start the engine unless it is tilted all the way down.....and I have not found a way to bypass this feature yet. I would try to establish a relationship with a nearby local dealership if at all possible. I've mail ordered a couple of Tohatsu/Nissan engines from Houma Marine in Louisiana, but nothing beats a good, close-to-home dealer. Joe
FISHNFF	posted 04-10-2001 04:38 PM ET (US) I ran a 40 Yamaha with oil injection and T/T and loved it. Smooth, strong, and reliable.
FISHNFF	posted 04-10-2001 04:39 PM ET (US) By the way, it was a 1990 motor on a 1981 hull, 13 Sport.
lhg	posted 04-10-2001 04:56 PM ET (US) Jim - I would recommend a Mercury, 3 cylinder model, 59 cubic inches vs the Yamaha 42 cubic inches. The Merc has got to be a lot stronger, with a much larger alternator. Merc weighs 199 lbs with 16 amp alternator, while the oil injected, PT, Yamaha weighs 189 lb with a 6 amp alternator. I know a Dealer in Ft Lauderdale who will ship you one, no sales tax out of state, for $3278. It has 20" shaft, Power Trim & Oil injection. This is the standard engine being supplied with Whaler's new 13 Sport. Interestingly enough, a 50HP is the same price (of interest to you 15 & 17' owners)! Bass Pro shops Outdoor World stores also sell for about these prices. You'll find these prices hard to beat. If you want the 15" short shaft, with Merc you can get electric start and oil injection, but no power trim. Price is $2922. I would not do this, and instead install either a static lift plate or 6" setback jack plate, and go with the 20" engine. All of this shows us some interesting figures on the current 13 Sport package being offered at $9000. Assuming the engine/control package at $3500., the trailer at $400., this means the 13' Sport boat is selling for about $5100.
JimU	posted 04-11-2001 10:25 AM ET (US) IHG--that $5100 price for the boat is interesting. I just bouught a "cherry" 1984 13' sport with older 40 hp merc in good shape and trailer in good shape for $2325. JIM
tbyrne	posted 04-11-2001 11:27 AM ET (US) I agree that it is interesting, but I think you need to discount the price a bit to account for freight, rigging, dealer prep, etc. I also think that $400 for the trailer seems a bit low. My brother puchased a new trailer last year for his (formerly my) 1975 BW Classic 13. While I haven't seen it, he has described it and it sounds like the same trailer as that included in my 2000 Sport 13 package I think he paid at least $600. I would guess that the actual boat price is more like $4,500. Only Brunswick knows, I guess. . .
lhg	posted 04-11-2001 03:14 PM ET (US) I was under the assumption that freight was extra on this Whaler, as it has always been with any Whaler. Maybe not. As for Dealer Prep, like with autos, this has always been questionable if the boat is pre-packaged. I have seen the Sport 13's come in, and all the Dealer has to do remove the white shrink wrap & drop in a battery. That's what the package concept is all about, supposedly. And that charge would be extra, anyway. The factory rigging of the engine is an obvious cost, but since you can't buy this Whaler not factory rigged, it's just part of the assembly cost of the boat. This work couldn't be worth more than $200. As for the trailer, it's a nice one, but it's still an "el cheapo". There's practically nothing to it, with no rollers at all. EZ Loaders are not particularly high quality trailers. I know a higher quality, all welded, galvanized keel roller trailer for a 13 is about $550 on the open market, so this one should be less. Same type keel roller trailer for a Montauk is about $800. I am not trying to run down the Sport 13 here! Just thought it would be interesting to do a little business analysis on the package concept and sum of the parts. I would guess that BW sells the package rig to the Dealer for about $6700.
ron miller	posted 04-21-2001 09:40 PM ET (US) I too have a 1975 boston, super sport with a 82 Evinrude, just got redoing her from top to bottom, the boat and engine are in mint condition, today just finished putting on the final coat of paint on the engine, in the winter rejetted the carbs, pushing close to 50 horsepower, last night me and the wife just re did the steering cable and pulleys, this boat is show room condition, but it wasn't when we bought her last October, I personally wouldn't trade the 2-cycle for a 4-cycle, get up and go,,, boat, motor, and trailer we bought for 2,300..