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scotts152001 posted 05-25-2001 04:04 PM ET (US)
I have a Honda 50 4 stroke on my 14' inflatable that I'm thinking of putting on a new 17' Montauk that I'm about to order. Has anyone used a 50 hp 4 stroke on this boat and if so, how does it work? I will be in the Bay most of the time, with 3 or less on board, plus out salmon fishing along the coast.
dgp posted 05-25-2001 05:03 PM ET (US)
If you expand this thread to "Show topics from the last year" you'll see many postings on this subject.
Dick posted 05-25-2001 08:15 PM ET (US)
To save you a search. I run a Merc 50 4 stroke on my 1999 Montauk. With two people it will run in the low to mid 30s, depending on what else is aboard. I an happy with the combination.
Dick
Clark Roberts posted 05-27-2001 09:04 AM ET (US)
Scotts, you will fall in love with a Montauk
with 50hp (either two or four stroke). I had a 1984 Montauk with a 1999 Merc 50hp two stroker and it was great! Good hole shot, even with 4 adults aboard and would hit 35-36mph anytime. Fuel mileage was fantastic at around 7mpg also. I have friends with Montauks and 50's (Evinrude, Honda, Merc 4strokers...etc..) All perform well and with the lighter engines , handle great and draft is minimum.... Clark.. The Old Man and the Sea
Whalerdan posted 05-29-2001 10:08 AM ET (US)
Clark, to you think you could pull up a 220lb wakeboarder with a 50?
gunnelgrabber posted 05-29-2001 07:16 PM ET (US)
whalerdan,..i'm sure clark could do it!..in the 50's and 60's a 25hp johnson was THE "big motor." 200 pounders regularly got up on slaloms from deep water with that power and a 12'albright,cartercraft,pen yan etc.you'd see smaller folks skiing behind those 10 hp hurricane mercurys.the earliest v4 omcs, 50 hp? would pull 3 or more people.maybe the hp rating were different....but..i'll bet on clark roberts!...lm
andygere posted 05-29-2001 07:29 PM ET (US)
I wouldn't count on getting a heavy wakeboarder up with a 50, unless it's on the back of a 13 or you propped it with a very low pitch. The starting drag on a wakeboard is a lot more than on a slalom ski. Once up, no problem. Perhaps if you really put your boat on a diet (e.g. no extra gear gas or people except the spotter). I had to work hard to get an experienced big guy up with my 85 hp (13.25x17), albeit with three lightweights aboard and a moderate load of fuel, batteries and kicker motors. In my younger days I got up behind my 13 with a Merc 40, but the boat was virtually empty, the spotter weighed 115, and the wakeboard looked more like a surfboard than a skateboard (as they do today).
compounder posted 05-29-2001 08:28 PM ET (US)
I have the utmost respect for Clark Roberts opinion on Whaler matters, but I recently had the opportunity to take a 2000 model Montauk powered by a Yamaha 50hp four-stroke for a spin. In a word, performance "sucked."
This rig belongs to an older couple and they are relatively satisfied with it because they use it mostly for idling around in the creek and watching sunsets. I asked about props and the guy says he is on the third prop because of the performance of the first two. He's not sure of the pitch, but believes he is now propped correctly.
Lightly loaded, the boat took a very long time to come on plane and top end felt like no more than 20-25mph, although we had no means to measure that. There definitely was no "fun factor" present with this particular set-up.
Based on this experience and my experience so far with my 90hp, I'd say most folks are going to be happiest with 90-100 hp.
swoodfield posted 05-30-2001 12:11 AM ET (US)
I have the Honda 50 on a 73 Nauset. Good combo! Every once in a while though I wish I had more power. Of course this is only when running on glass which doesn't happen very often in Charleston harbor
Loewer posted 05-30-2001 06:46 AM ET (US)
I have a new Merc 60 four stroke on my Montauk. We've been quite pleased with the performance. We're using an aluminum 3 blade 10 3/8 x 13 prop and at 6000 rpm get close to 40mph on the gps. Enough to make my eyes tear and faster than we expected.
Jeff
JimU posted 05-31-2001 05:55 PM ET (US)
IMO 70 hp is minimum for a 16-7 hull if you are going to do any water sports. 90-100 is best. (20 plus years of experience pulling my sons from who are now in their late 20's-early 30's) I'd even go to a 115 if there wasn't an insurance problem. JIM
scotts152001 posted 06-02-2001 10:01 AM ET (US)
Thanks for all the input. I repowered my 14' inflatible from a 30 to a 50 honda 4 stroke because I wanted lots of power to move around in the surf while diving. I plan to continue diving out of the whaler so I want to make sure I can move quick when I need to, so I'm giving up on using my honda 50. I'm just about ready to order a new montauk without motor so I can put the "perfect" motor on it. I'll look over the last year's worth of comments to try to determine what that "perfect" motor is.
whalernut posted 06-02-2001 10:35 AM ET (US)
Would you please report back on what it costs to buy a new Montauk without a Mercury motor as I have heard the factory doesn`t like to do that and I heard it costs you more for the boat that way! Keep us notified. Regards-Jack Graner.
whalerfreak45 posted 06-09-2001 05:25 PM ET (US)
i own a 40 honda and it is great on my 15 sport. i would not recommending putting it on a 17' boat on the terms of power. i would try to get a honda 75hp
whalerfreak45 posted 06-09-2001 05:25 PM ET (US)
i own a 40 honda and it is great on my 15 sport. i would not recommending putting it on a 17' boat on the terms of power. i would try to get a honda 75hp
B Bear posted 06-09-2001 09:50 PM ET (US)
If you consider the Honda 75, then you should consider the Honda 90. the Honda 75 is a detuned 90, same displacement, same weight. There is only a small price change to get the 90 as compared to other engine makes prices as the HP goes up.
Bear
TightPenny posted 06-11-2001 10:43 AM ET (US)
My 2000 Montauk has a 90 hp Johnson on it. This was newly installed this spring.
Last year it had a 60 hp 3cyl Johnson on it. It maxed out at about 30 knots lightly loaded with the engine running at full 5500 RPM. It got up on plane fairly well, but no where near as quickly as it does with the new 90hp.
The 90 cruises at the same speed at a much more economical 4000 rpm. The old engine will soon be back on the Sport 15 (1977) that it was on originally.
Since for the most part, in rougher waters, you probably will not use all of the horsepower, the smaller engines can provide adequate performance, but not the speed available with the larger engines.
As to getting a Montauk without Mercury pre-rig, It is my understanding from my dealer that the 2000 model year was the last that BW would sell a boat without the mercury setup.
As an OMC fan, I got mine just in time. It is more work to rig your boat personally, but it is a lot more self satisfying.
Bigshot posted 06-15-2001 03:56 PM ET (US)
If MPG is an issue, go with a 90 Yamaha. It is only 260lbs and gets good gas milage. I do believe a 90 OMC(340lbs+/-) is faster and has more grunt but economy slacks a bit in comparison.

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Author	Topic: Honda motor for 17' montauk
scotts152001	posted 05-25-2001 04:04 PM ET (US) I have a Honda 50 4 stroke on my 14' inflatable that I'm thinking of putting on a new 17' Montauk that I'm about to order. Has anyone used a 50 hp 4 stroke on this boat and if so, how does it work? I will be in the Bay most of the time, with 3 or less on board, plus out salmon fishing along the coast.
dgp	posted 05-25-2001 05:03 PM ET (US) If you expand this thread to "Show topics from the last year" you'll see many postings on this subject.
Dick	posted 05-25-2001 08:15 PM ET (US) To save you a search. I run a Merc 50 4 stroke on my 1999 Montauk. With two people it will run in the low to mid 30s, depending on what else is aboard. I an happy with the combination. Dick
Clark Roberts	posted 05-27-2001 09:04 AM ET (US) Scotts, you will fall in love with a Montauk with 50hp (either two or four stroke). I had a 1984 Montauk with a 1999 Merc 50hp two stroker and it was great! Good hole shot, even with 4 adults aboard and would hit 35-36mph anytime. Fuel mileage was fantastic at around 7mpg also. I have friends with Montauks and 50's (Evinrude, Honda, Merc 4strokers...etc..) All perform well and with the lighter engines , handle great and draft is minimum.... Clark.. The Old Man and the Sea
Whalerdan	posted 05-29-2001 10:08 AM ET (US) Clark, to you think you could pull up a 220lb wakeboarder with a 50?
gunnelgrabber	posted 05-29-2001 07:16 PM ET (US) whalerdan,..i'm sure clark could do it!..in the 50's and 60's a 25hp johnson was THE "big motor." 200 pounders regularly got up on slaloms from deep water with that power and a 12'albright,cartercraft,pen yan etc.you'd see smaller folks skiing behind those 10 hp hurricane mercurys.the earliest v4 omcs, 50 hp? would pull 3 or more people.maybe the hp rating were different....but..i'll bet on clark roberts!...lm
andygere	posted 05-29-2001 07:29 PM ET (US) I wouldn't count on getting a heavy wakeboarder up with a 50, unless it's on the back of a 13 or you propped it with a very low pitch. The starting drag on a wakeboard is a lot more than on a slalom ski. Once up, no problem. Perhaps if you really put your boat on a diet (e.g. no extra gear gas or people except the spotter). I had to work hard to get an experienced big guy up with my 85 hp (13.25x17), albeit with three lightweights aboard and a moderate load of fuel, batteries and kicker motors. In my younger days I got up behind my 13 with a Merc 40, but the boat was virtually empty, the spotter weighed 115, and the wakeboard looked more like a surfboard than a skateboard (as they do today).
compounder	posted 05-29-2001 08:28 PM ET (US) I have the utmost respect for Clark Roberts opinion on Whaler matters, but I recently had the opportunity to take a 2000 model Montauk powered by a Yamaha 50hp four-stroke for a spin. In a word, performance "sucked." This rig belongs to an older couple and they are relatively satisfied with it because they use it mostly for idling around in the creek and watching sunsets. I asked about props and the guy says he is on the third prop because of the performance of the first two. He's not sure of the pitch, but believes he is now propped correctly. Lightly loaded, the boat took a very long time to come on plane and top end felt like no more than 20-25mph, although we had no means to measure that. There definitely was no "fun factor" present with this particular set-up. Based on this experience and my experience so far with my 90hp, I'd say most folks are going to be happiest with 90-100 hp.
swoodfield	posted 05-30-2001 12:11 AM ET (US) I have the Honda 50 on a 73 Nauset. Good combo! Every once in a while though I wish I had more power. Of course this is only when running on glass which doesn't happen very often in Charleston harbor
Loewer	posted 05-30-2001 06:46 AM ET (US) I have a new Merc 60 four stroke on my Montauk. We've been quite pleased with the performance. We're using an aluminum 3 blade 10 3/8 x 13 prop and at 6000 rpm get close to 40mph on the gps. Enough to make my eyes tear and faster than we expected. Jeff
JimU	posted 05-31-2001 05:55 PM ET (US) IMO 70 hp is minimum for a 16-7 hull if you are going to do any water sports. 90-100 is best. (20 plus years of experience pulling my sons from who are now in their late 20's-early 30's) I'd even go to a 115 if there wasn't an insurance problem. JIM
scotts152001	posted 06-02-2001 10:01 AM ET (US) Thanks for all the input. I repowered my 14' inflatible from a 30 to a 50 honda 4 stroke because I wanted lots of power to move around in the surf while diving. I plan to continue diving out of the whaler so I want to make sure I can move quick when I need to, so I'm giving up on using my honda 50. I'm just about ready to order a new montauk without motor so I can put the "perfect" motor on it. I'll look over the last year's worth of comments to try to determine what that "perfect" motor is.
whalernut	posted 06-02-2001 10:35 AM ET (US) Would you please report back on what it costs to buy a new Montauk without a Mercury motor as I have heard the factory doesn`t like to do that and I heard it costs you more for the boat that way! Keep us notified. Regards-Jack Graner.
whalerfreak45	posted 06-09-2001 05:25 PM ET (US) i own a 40 honda and it is great on my 15 sport. i would not recommending putting it on a 17' boat on the terms of power. i would try to get a honda 75hp
whalerfreak45	posted 06-09-2001 05:25 PM ET (US) i own a 40 honda and it is great on my 15 sport. i would not recommending putting it on a 17' boat on the terms of power. i would try to get a honda 75hp
B Bear	posted 06-09-2001 09:50 PM ET (US) If you consider the Honda 75, then you should consider the Honda 90. the Honda 75 is a detuned 90, same displacement, same weight. There is only a small price change to get the 90 as compared to other engine makes prices as the HP goes up. Bear
TightPenny	posted 06-11-2001 10:43 AM ET (US) My 2000 Montauk has a 90 hp Johnson on it. This was newly installed this spring. Last year it had a 60 hp 3cyl Johnson on it. It maxed out at about 30 knots lightly loaded with the engine running at full 5500 RPM. It got up on plane fairly well, but no where near as quickly as it does with the new 90hp. The 90 cruises at the same speed at a much more economical 4000 rpm. The old engine will soon be back on the Sport 15 (1977) that it was on originally. Since for the most part, in rougher waters, you probably will not use all of the horsepower, the smaller engines can provide adequate performance, but not the speed available with the larger engines. As to getting a Montauk without Mercury pre-rig, It is my understanding from my dealer that the 2000 model year was the last that BW would sell a boat without the mercury setup. As an OMC fan, I got mine just in time. It is more work to rig your boat personally, but it is a lot more self satisfying.
Bigshot	posted 06-15-2001 03:56 PM ET (US) If MPG is an issue, go with a 90 Yamaha. It is only 260lbs and gets good gas milage. I do believe a 90 OMC(340lbs+/-) is faster and has more grunt but economy slacks a bit in comparison.