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llewellyn posted 07-06-2001 12:02 PM ET (US)
I'm still shopping around & reading everyone's comments, and am wondering if it might be smart to wait for new (2002) 4 stroke models? Best deal here so far is a 90hp 2stroke Merc.; but I'd rather have a relable (with very good dealer/service network), affordable 4 stroke that would perform well on the Montauk. What do you all
suggest, please?
Bigshot posted 07-06-2001 02:11 PM ET (US)
That 90 Merc is a Yamaha so it should be reliable and a lot cheaper than a Yamaha. 2002 are out now or in a few days(usually July) so 2001's might get a bit cheaper. Personally I would want the 2001 for less. In a few years who cares that your engine is a 01 vs an 02. i would love to have that on mine, maybe the 115 though.
Whaletosh posted 07-06-2001 02:40 PM ET (US)
On ther other hand the 2002 Mercury for strokes are going to be EFI. worth considering.
Whaletosh posted 07-06-2001 02:44 PM ET (US)
on the other hand the 2001 Mercury 4-strokes are carberated, and hence less dependent on a black box. Plus you could get one at close out prices.
Confusing isn't it? One could go crazy trying to figure this out. At some piont you just need to roll the dice and hpe the decision will be correct. I don't think you would be unhappy either way.
Sean
carlz posted 07-06-2001 03:43 PM ET (US)
Bigshot, What do you mean by "That 90 Merc is a Yamaha"? Is it a relabled Yamaha? What differences?
LLewellyn,
What price did you get on the 90ho 2stroke Merc, if I can ask?
dgp posted 07-06-2001 04:09 PM ET (US)
The 90 HP Mercury four stroke is a Yamaha powerhead. The 90 HP Mercury 2 stroke is all Mercury.
I have a 2001 Mercury 50 HP four stroke on my Montauk and it'll max out at 34 MPH. With the 60 HP version you might get a few more MPH.
The 2002 models have EFI and this is Mercury's first year for EFI on their own four stroke models. I'd sit it out the first year.
If you gotta buy in the next 12 months I'd opt for the 2001 60HP carburetor version.
andygere posted 07-06-2001 05:16 PM ET (US)
I think the Tohatsu (Nissan) DI 90 is an interesting alternative. It's on my list if my old (but really reliable) Johnson 85 gives out.
Dick posted 07-06-2001 08:22 PM ET (US)
My Montauk and Merc 50 hp 4 stroke turned 2 yesterday. I have nothing but good to say about the boat and motor. There have been a few times that a few more horses would have been nice but not necessary. It's a great combination.
Dick
whalernut posted 07-06-2001 10:44 PM ET (US)
Andygere, I would have to agree with you, I have a 75` 85h.p. Johnson and you can`t kill these things! Mine runs still runs very strong, and now with the Denso plugs it will troll for like a half hour beforew stalling, thats not bad for a V-4 at 26 years old! If I had my druthers, and if my current engine would die, and if I had the money, I would go 4-stroker and go 50h.p. Suzuki EFI(better warranty bought rite) or Evinrude EFI(no Suzuki dealers even remotely close to me). Also the 60h.p. Merc. 4-stroker looks light and strong. These engines would be for a 73` `16 Currituck, so weight would be an issue. I troll alot in Lake Erie in Conneaut, Ohio. I can`t wait for the Steelheads to start running! Regards-Jack Graner.
llewellyn posted 07-07-2001 09:55 AM ET (US)
I appreciate your responses very much. The 90hp 2stroke Saltwater Merc. w/tach,hour meter,1 year warranty,rigged, w/21 pitch SS prop I have on hand is $5600. A 80hp 4stroke Yamaha (50lbs more) is $2300 more, but includes a 3year warranty. The Suzuki 70hp 4stroke w/fuel injection and 3 year warranty
is $7100 w/SSprop,tach &hour meter( don't have a good feel for dealer service, though,
especially after reading some comments here.
Also heard that corrosion may still be a problem). Are any of you all running a 90 Merc? Thanks again, Lew
llewellyn posted 07-07-2001 10:04 AM ET (US)
Andygere, What do you know about the Nissan(Tohatsu)DI90, please? A local OMC dealer whom I like may be adding them to their line.
Carlz, What do you think of the price for the 90 Merc.?
Whalernut, What are Denso plugs, please?
Thanks, Sean. I'm probably experiencing buyer's remorse before the purchase...but!
carlz posted 07-07-2001 02:46 PM ET (US)
It's hard to compare prices given that each package is so different. But $2300 is a big markup to get 4-cycle. Have you heard one running? Are they really a lot quieter? I have a Yamaha 90 2 cycle and like it, but not for it's sound level.
Mort posted 07-07-2001 09:19 PM ET (US)
I see a lot of comments about Merc. Any comments about a Honda on a Montauk would be helpfull. I now have an old 70 Johnson and am concerned about weight with a 4 stroke. It appears that the 50 or 60 hp. Mercs will do the job fine, I am curious about the Honda.
whalernut posted 07-08-2001 11:28 AM ET (US)
Lew, Denso plugs are made in Japan and are very popular for 2-stroke motorcycles, I know Honda 2-stroke motorcycles come from the factory with them. I buy mine at Autozone auto parts store in Ohio and PA. Check around near you, I would think someone would carry them in you`re are? They are awsome plugs, I use the non-resister models as they don`t interfere with my fishfinder. As a side they are half the price as the resister models. Give them a try and I think you may like them, I know my 75` 85h.p. Johnson does! If you know you`re Champion plug #, they can cross reference it to get the Denso # at the store! Regards-Jack Graner.
Bigshot posted 07-08-2001 06:58 PM ET (US)
Nice $ on the 90. The Zuki is high, can get a 115 Zuki 4 stroke rigged for that, buddy just did. Gonna take a lot of running to make up that extra $$.
lhg posted 07-09-2001 06:43 PM ET (US)
Lew - since you're on the FL east coast, get in touch with Sundance Marine, of Ft Lauderdale and Jupiter. They have the best prices around on Mercs. 90 Saltwater 2 stroke $4800. Bass Pro Outdoor adventure world sells Merc 115 four strokes for $7100.
BW says Merc's 90 HP 4 stroke is faster than the 90 2 stroke. That's because it's really 95HP. (so is Yamaha's same engine 100HP)

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Author	Topic: re-power 1988 Montauk: best2001 or wait2002??
llewellyn	posted 07-06-2001 12:02 PM ET (US) I'm still shopping around & reading everyone's comments, and am wondering if it might be smart to wait for new (2002) 4 stroke models? Best deal here so far is a 90hp 2stroke Merc.; but I'd rather have a relable (with very good dealer/service network), affordable 4 stroke that would perform well on the Montauk. What do you all suggest, please?
Bigshot	posted 07-06-2001 02:11 PM ET (US) That 90 Merc is a Yamaha so it should be reliable and a lot cheaper than a Yamaha. 2002 are out now or in a few days(usually July) so 2001's might get a bit cheaper. Personally I would want the 2001 for less. In a few years who cares that your engine is a 01 vs an 02. i would love to have that on mine, maybe the 115 though.
Whaletosh	posted 07-06-2001 02:40 PM ET (US) On ther other hand the 2002 Mercury for strokes are going to be EFI. worth considering.
Whaletosh	posted 07-06-2001 02:44 PM ET (US) on the other hand the 2001 Mercury 4-strokes are carberated, and hence less dependent on a black box. Plus you could get one at close out prices. Confusing isn't it? One could go crazy trying to figure this out. At some piont you just need to roll the dice and hpe the decision will be correct. I don't think you would be unhappy either way. Sean
carlz	posted 07-06-2001 03:43 PM ET (US) Bigshot, What do you mean by "That 90 Merc is a Yamaha"? Is it a relabled Yamaha? What differences? LLewellyn, What price did you get on the 90ho 2stroke Merc, if I can ask?
dgp	posted 07-06-2001 04:09 PM ET (US) The 90 HP Mercury four stroke is a Yamaha powerhead. The 90 HP Mercury 2 stroke is all Mercury. I have a 2001 Mercury 50 HP four stroke on my Montauk and it'll max out at 34 MPH. With the 60 HP version you might get a few more MPH. The 2002 models have EFI and this is Mercury's first year for EFI on their own four stroke models. I'd sit it out the first year. If you gotta buy in the next 12 months I'd opt for the 2001 60HP carburetor version.
andygere	posted 07-06-2001 05:16 PM ET (US) I think the Tohatsu (Nissan) DI 90 is an interesting alternative. It's on my list if my old (but really reliable) Johnson 85 gives out.
Dick	posted 07-06-2001 08:22 PM ET (US) My Montauk and Merc 50 hp 4 stroke turned 2 yesterday. I have nothing but good to say about the boat and motor. There have been a few times that a few more horses would have been nice but not necessary. It's a great combination. Dick
whalernut	posted 07-06-2001 10:44 PM ET (US) Andygere, I would have to agree with you, I have a 75` 85h.p. Johnson and you can`t kill these things! Mine runs still runs very strong, and now with the Denso plugs it will troll for like a half hour beforew stalling, thats not bad for a V-4 at 26 years old! If I had my druthers, and if my current engine would die, and if I had the money, I would go 4-stroker and go 50h.p. Suzuki EFI(better warranty bought rite) or Evinrude EFI(no Suzuki dealers even remotely close to me). Also the 60h.p. Merc. 4-stroker looks light and strong. These engines would be for a 73` `16 Currituck, so weight would be an issue. I troll alot in Lake Erie in Conneaut, Ohio. I can`t wait for the Steelheads to start running! Regards-Jack Graner.
llewellyn	posted 07-07-2001 09:55 AM ET (US) I appreciate your responses very much. The 90hp 2stroke Saltwater Merc. w/tach,hour meter,1 year warranty,rigged, w/21 pitch SS prop I have on hand is $5600. A 80hp 4stroke Yamaha (50lbs more) is $2300 more, but includes a 3year warranty. The Suzuki 70hp 4stroke w/fuel injection and 3 year warranty is $7100 w/SSprop,tach &hour meter( don't have a good feel for dealer service, though, especially after reading some comments here. Also heard that corrosion may still be a problem). Are any of you all running a 90 Merc? Thanks again, Lew
llewellyn	posted 07-07-2001 10:04 AM ET (US) Andygere, What do you know about the Nissan(Tohatsu)DI90, please? A local OMC dealer whom I like may be adding them to their line. Carlz, What do you think of the price for the 90 Merc.? Whalernut, What are Denso plugs, please? Thanks, Sean. I'm probably experiencing buyer's remorse before the purchase...but!
carlz	posted 07-07-2001 02:46 PM ET (US) It's hard to compare prices given that each package is so different. But $2300 is a big markup to get 4-cycle. Have you heard one running? Are they really a lot quieter? I have a Yamaha 90 2 cycle and like it, but not for it's sound level.
Mort	posted 07-07-2001 09:19 PM ET (US) I see a lot of comments about Merc. Any comments about a Honda on a Montauk would be helpfull. I now have an old 70 Johnson and am concerned about weight with a 4 stroke. It appears that the 50 or 60 hp. Mercs will do the job fine, I am curious about the Honda.
whalernut	posted 07-08-2001 11:28 AM ET (US) Lew, Denso plugs are made in Japan and are very popular for 2-stroke motorcycles, I know Honda 2-stroke motorcycles come from the factory with them. I buy mine at Autozone auto parts store in Ohio and PA. Check around near you, I would think someone would carry them in you`re are? They are awsome plugs, I use the non-resister models as they don`t interfere with my fishfinder. As a side they are half the price as the resister models. Give them a try and I think you may like them, I know my 75` 85h.p. Johnson does! If you know you`re Champion plug #, they can cross reference it to get the Denso # at the store! Regards-Jack Graner.
Bigshot	posted 07-08-2001 06:58 PM ET (US) Nice $ on the 90. The Zuki is high, can get a 115 Zuki 4 stroke rigged for that, buddy just did. Gonna take a lot of running to make up that extra $$.
lhg	posted 07-09-2001 06:43 PM ET (US) Lew - since you're on the FL east coast, get in touch with Sundance Marine, of Ft Lauderdale and Jupiter. They have the best prices around on Mercs. 90 Saltwater 2 stroke $4800. Bass Pro Outdoor adventure world sells Merc 115 four strokes for $7100. BW says Merc's 90 HP 4 stroke is faster than the 90 2 stroke. That's because it's really 95HP. (so is Yamaha's same engine 100HP)